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ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
Thu Mar 26, 2020, 08:38 AM Mar 2020

Senator Sanders could stand to take a lesson from Senator Warren on the Coronavirus bill vote

Warren didn't sit it out and avoid taking action on the first vote, despite the fact that it wasn't everything that she wanted it to be, because we need action and leadership from Democrats NOW. She didn't just roll over and vote yes or go AWOL on the vote for the first version, and she didn't make perfect the enemy of doable.

She showed up and did her damn job during an emergency, and then explained why she voted for the package that was not all that Democrats wanted and what she's doing moving forward.

This is what Presidential looks like:



She also didn't take credit for single-handedly "influencing GOP senators" or work on the bill that she didn't actually do....

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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Senator Sanders could stand to take a lesson from Senator Warren on the Coronavirus bill vote (Original Post) ehrnst Mar 2020 OP
KnR NCProgressive Mar 2020 #1
Sanders voted in favor of the bill. Dem4Life1102 Mar 2020 #2
Did he finally show up in D.C. to vote? The Velveteen Ocelot Mar 2020 #3
Yes Dem4Life1102 Mar 2020 #5
So then he hasn't got the virus, which is a good thing, but The Velveteen Ocelot Mar 2020 #18
Well at least he did that. Demsrule86 Mar 2020 #29
This is the vote I'm talking about: ehrnst Mar 2020 #4
OK Dem4Life1102 Mar 2020 #6
He was not present the first vote, when the difficult work of negotiations was being done. ehrnst Mar 2020 #8
And Makes The Ludicrous Claim, Sir The Magistrate Mar 2020 #7
I was only commenting that he was there last night Dem4Life1102 Mar 2020 #9
Yes, only last night. ehrnst Mar 2020 #10
And I, Sir, Am Commenting On His Characterization Of His Limited Presence The Magistrate Mar 2020 #13
Why don't you comment on his campaign taking credit for Blue_true Mar 2020 #41
I was merely passing on information Dem4Life1102 Mar 2020 #45
You appear to be pushing an agenda, IMO. Blue_true Mar 2020 #46
I never claimed anything about his role. Dem4Life1102 Mar 2020 #50
Surely you must have an opinion on a person taking credit for something that he had Blue_true Mar 2020 #51
My opinion Dem4Life1102 Mar 2020 #57
+1000 ehrnst Mar 2020 #11
Yeah after threatening to derail it...now it goes to the House. Demsrule86 Mar 2020 #15
Right now NY especially needs a stimulus package. ehrnst Mar 2020 #17
Ohio has the big three down...and all small business is shut down for the most part...everyone will Demsrule86 Mar 2020 #19
I should add as my post was not clear...that I agree NY needs stimulus as soon as the Demsrule86 Mar 2020 #20
I'd be surprised Turin_C3PO Mar 2020 #23
I don't know if she signs it or not...she should for political reasons if for no other reason. Demsrule86 Mar 2020 #28
She s Insisting the House come back True Blue American Mar 2020 #37
Nancy is right because with Corona, it risks lives...she is a selfish person and cares for no one Demsrule86 Mar 2020 #48
The best of her primary challengers is Jose Velazquez. Blue_true Mar 2020 #42
This Is The Senate. Not Survey Monkey TomCADem Mar 2020 #22
Kick & highly recommended. William769 Mar 2020 #12
Elizabeth, she who persists... FM123 Mar 2020 #14
And that is why EW is a success. she fights hard for the best deal...signs on to said deal and then Demsrule86 Mar 2020 #16
Same here. Turin_C3PO Mar 2020 #24
Yes Biden is a decent caring man...I really do kind of love him as I did pres. Obama. Demsrule86 Mar 2020 #30
Consider that had Sander succeeded in derailing the vote, Wall Street would have Demsrule86 Mar 2020 #21
She should be getting more credit than she is mcar Mar 2020 #25
Bernie doesn't do jobs. He just shouts about the most ideal outcome and accomplishes nothing. PubliusEnigma Mar 2020 #26
That Is It In A Nutshell, Sir! The Magistrate Mar 2020 #27
Go Senator Warren.. leave it to a woman to get things done Thekaspervote Mar 2020 #31
Bernie could take a LOT of lessons from the noble Sen. Warren. NT Happy Hoosier Mar 2020 #32
Can't decide... LudwigPastorius Mar 2020 #33
Labor! True Blue American Mar 2020 #39
Treasury. nt Blue_true Mar 2020 #43
That would be fine True Blue American Mar 2020 #49
For AG, the former US Attorney for the Southern a District of New York, or Sally Yates. nt Blue_true Mar 2020 #52
Perfect True Blue American Mar 2020 #53
Unless something drastic happens, he likely gets frozen out and will Blue_true Mar 2020 #55
They do need him right now. True Blue American Mar 2020 #56
"Tomorrow we get back up and continue the fight" Hekate Mar 2020 #34
Some chose to not to show up Hav Mar 2020 #35
Please stop the Bernie Sanders bashing. totodeinhere Mar 2020 #36
This is not bashing. (nt) ehrnst Mar 2020 #44
Not bashing. Criticizing. Nt mcar Mar 2020 #58
It's not everything.... paleotn Mar 2020 #38
Pelosi, Schumer True Blue American Mar 2020 #40
Sanders more and more appears to be what we have now. His ego is amazing. LizBeth Mar 2020 #47
K&R betsuni Mar 2020 #54
Thank you, Senator Warren and, Cha Mar 2020 #59
 

Dem4Life1102

(3,974 posts)
2. Sanders voted in favor of the bill.
Thu Mar 26, 2020, 08:49 AM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

The Velveteen Ocelot

(120,903 posts)
3. Did he finally show up in D.C. to vote?
Thu Mar 26, 2020, 08:57 AM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

The Velveteen Ocelot

(120,903 posts)
18. So then he hasn't got the virus, which is a good thing, but
Thu Mar 26, 2020, 09:17 AM
Mar 2020

what other reasonable excuse could he have had for not showing up until now?

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Demsrule86

(71,023 posts)
29. Well at least he did that.
Thu Mar 26, 2020, 09:52 AM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
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Dem4Life1102

(3,974 posts)
6. OK
Thu Mar 26, 2020, 08:58 AM
Mar 2020

But he was there last night.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
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ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
8. He was not present the first vote, when the difficult work of negotiations was being done.
Thu Mar 26, 2020, 09:00 AM
Mar 2020

He came in after all that.

Warren rolled her sleeves up and got to work while Bernie was out of pocket.

That is the point of the OP.

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primary today, I would vote for:
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The Magistrate

(96,043 posts)
7. And Makes The Ludicrous Claim, Sir
Thu Mar 26, 2020, 08:59 AM
Mar 2020

That he single-handedly saw off an attempt by several Republican Senators to alter the bill to limit assistance to unemployed people. This is nonesense, and such a claim is a deliberate lie. Worse, it is a lie which only the naive and ignorant can be expected to swallow. This is the measure of what 'Bernie' thinks of his supporters, and of the public at large. There is no behavior more despicable in an intelligent man than an attempt to mislead to his own profit the ignorant and naive and the foolish.





"When things are not called by their right names, what is said cannot make sense. When what is said does not make sense, what is planned cannot succeed. When plans do not succeed, people become uneasy. When people are uneasy, punishments do not fit crimes. When punishments do not fit crimes, people cannot know where to put hand or foot."

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Dem4Life1102

(3,974 posts)
9. I was only commenting that he was there last night
Thu Mar 26, 2020, 09:00 AM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
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ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
10. Yes, only last night.
Thu Mar 26, 2020, 09:02 AM
Mar 2020

And took credit for that which was not his work.

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The Magistrate

(96,043 posts)
13. And I, Sir, Am Commenting On His Characterization Of His Limited Presence
Thu Mar 26, 2020, 09:05 AM
Mar 2020

That characterization is a shabby lie, which depends on the ignorance and naivete of his intended audience for its self-aggrandizing effect.

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Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
41. Why don't you comment on his campaign taking credit for
Thu Mar 26, 2020, 11:41 AM
Mar 2020

negotiations that he had no part of? That is a central issue that needs to be addressed by Sanders supporters.

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Dem4Life1102

(3,974 posts)
45. I was merely passing on information
Thu Mar 26, 2020, 12:54 PM
Mar 2020

without editorializing.

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Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
46. You appear to be pushing an agenda, IMO.
Thu Mar 26, 2020, 12:59 PM
Mar 2020

Several people have challenged you to speak on the ethics of the Sanders campaign taking credit for work that he didn't do, you quickly took a pass every single time.

Again, speak on the Sanders campaign's lie about his role in getting maximized employment benefits for workers.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Dem4Life1102

(3,974 posts)
50. I never claimed anything about his role.
Thu Mar 26, 2020, 02:34 PM
Mar 2020

Just noted that he was there and voted.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
51. Surely you must have an opinion on a person taking credit for something that he had
Thu Mar 26, 2020, 03:57 PM
Mar 2020

nothing to do with. You have repeatedly been given a chance to speak on the morality of that, you have passed every time - that speaks volumes to anyone that notices your decision, and it clearly is a thought-out decision, IMO, it simply can't be anything else.

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Dem4Life1102

(3,974 posts)
57. My opinion
Thu Mar 26, 2020, 05:32 PM
Mar 2020

is mine to share or not.

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Demsrule86

(71,023 posts)
15. Yeah after threatening to derail it...now it goes to the House.
Thu Mar 26, 2020, 09:09 AM
Mar 2020

I hear AOC won't sign on and that is why it might not be unanimous and might take longer than it should. This is embarrassing for the house not to be unanimous. Not a good look for AOC. Hell, I will send money to her primary challenger if she does this. This is an national emergency and it will be interesting to see if she can put national interest above ideology. The Democrat AOC took down would have worked hard to make the bill good for working people and then voted for the compromise. Time will tell. She is facing a primary challenge and should consider that before voting for or against the rescue bill.

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primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
17. Right now NY especially needs a stimulus package.
Thu Mar 26, 2020, 09:16 AM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Demsrule86

(71,023 posts)
19. Ohio has the big three down...and all small business is shut down for the most part...everyone will
Thu Mar 26, 2020, 09:18 AM
Mar 2020

need a stimulus package.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
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Demsrule86

(71,023 posts)
20. I should add as my post was not clear...that I agree NY needs stimulus as soon as the
Thu Mar 26, 2020, 09:21 AM
Mar 2020

virus is vanquished to get them back on their feet...and in the meantime...dirty donnie needs to get medical supplies to New York hospitals...I saw on TV medical workers yelling out of the windows of their cars..."we need medical supplies'. What the hell is going on with the Feds and idiot Trump.

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Turin_C3PO

(15,922 posts)
23. I'd be surprised
Thu Mar 26, 2020, 09:34 AM
Mar 2020

if AOC doesn’t end up signing this. I could be wrong, and often am, but she’s usually complains a little and then gets on board. We’ll see, though.

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Demsrule86

(71,023 posts)
28. I don't know if she signs it or not...she should for political reasons if for no other reason.
Thu Mar 26, 2020, 09:48 AM
Mar 2020

However, she makes it impossible for it to be unanimous if she plans to object. The House should vote unanimously on the rescue bill...it is embarrassing for any Democrat to cause a delay of an entire day because some of our members (don't know if there are others) won't sign on to a bill to help millions who are hurting because of the virus. The Senate voted unanimously.

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True Blue American

(18,166 posts)
37. She s Insisting the House come back
Thu Mar 26, 2020, 11:32 AM
Mar 2020

And vote or she will hold the bill up.Pelosi is suggesting a voice vote so all members will not have to come back. Who is right here? She is in the Bernie Ad.

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Demsrule86

(71,023 posts)
48. Nancy is right because with Corona, it risks lives...she is a selfish person and cares for no one
Thu Mar 26, 2020, 02:21 PM
Mar 2020

but herself if she does this. I am doubling my money to the best primary candidate...hell, I know that area, I will make calls!

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Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
42. The best of her primary challengers is Jose Velazquez.
Thu Mar 26, 2020, 11:49 AM
Mar 2020

The others are well to the right of her. Velazquez is a proven progressive.

But, I must admit that if it looks like Velazquez and AOC will split the progressive vote so badly that one of the three more right people slip through to win, then people need to swallow hard and support AOC so that she wins the primary. Afterward, we can see whether she changes and becomes more realistic, if she doesn't, a more organized democratic primary effort can be waged against her in a couple years, hopefully fielding only proven progressive democrats.

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TomCADem

(17,760 posts)
22. This Is The Senate. Not Survey Monkey
Thu Mar 26, 2020, 09:32 AM
Mar 2020

No wonder BS has been so ineffective as a Senator. He thinks alll he needs to do is grandstand from afar, then occasionally show up to vote. This is why he has only managed to pass 2 or 3 bills that he introduced even though he has been in Congress since 1991 and renaming post offices really should not count.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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William769

(55,830 posts)
12. Kick & highly recommended.
Thu Mar 26, 2020, 09:05 AM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

FM123

(10,126 posts)
14. Elizabeth, she who persists...
Thu Mar 26, 2020, 09:09 AM
Mar 2020

"I won't block vital aid but tomorrow we get back up and continue the fight."

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Joe Biden
 

Demsrule86

(71,023 posts)
16. And that is why EW is a success. she fights hard for the best deal...signs on to said deal and then
Thu Mar 26, 2020, 09:12 AM
Mar 2020

gets up the next morning and resumes the fight for working folks...this is why she was my second choice in the primary. I like both her and Biden...it was a matter of the Blue Wall states for me. I thought Biden has a better chance to win those states...and also the AA vote...but damn she is great in so many ways.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Turin_C3PO

(15,922 posts)
24. Same here.
Thu Mar 26, 2020, 09:36 AM
Mar 2020

I love Warren and my positions align with her but I’ve always supported Biden because he’s the one that can trounce Trump. Plus, he’s a nice and compassionate man.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
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Demsrule86

(71,023 posts)
30. Yes Biden is a decent caring man...I really do kind of love him as I did pres. Obama.
Thu Mar 26, 2020, 10:00 AM
Mar 2020

It is rare for me to 'love' politicians...I like many but I just don't have' fandom' in my nature. This is why I have no understand of what some call' Bernie bros'. If Biden didn't win the primary, I would throw my support behind whoever the nominee was.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Demsrule86

(71,023 posts)
21. Consider that had Sander succeeded in derailing the vote, Wall Street would have
Thu Mar 26, 2020, 09:27 AM
Mar 2020

collapsed. One has to wonder with his hatred of Wall Street if he thinks this would have been a good thing. That is the problem with Sanders and the revolution. Revolutionaries tear it down and then attempt to rebuild it...and mostly don't succeed in the rebuilding part.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Joe Biden
 

mcar

(43,512 posts)
25. She should be getting more credit than she is
Thu Mar 26, 2020, 09:39 AM
Mar 2020

And here's Bernie, taking credit for just showing up for one vote.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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PubliusEnigma

(1,583 posts)
26. Bernie doesn't do jobs. He just shouts about the most ideal outcome and accomplishes nothing.
Thu Mar 26, 2020, 09:41 AM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

The Magistrate

(96,043 posts)
27. That Is It In A Nutshell, Sir!
Thu Mar 26, 2020, 09:43 AM
Mar 2020






"When things are not called by their right names, what is said cannot make sense. When what is said does not make sense, what is planned cannot succeed. When plans do not succeed, people become uneasy. When people are uneasy, punishments do not fit crimes. When punishments do not fit crimes, people cannot know where to put hand or foot."
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Thekaspervote

(34,666 posts)
31. Go Senator Warren.. leave it to a woman to get things done
Thu Mar 26, 2020, 10:34 AM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Happy Hoosier

(8,405 posts)
32. Bernie could take a LOT of lessons from the noble Sen. Warren. NT
Thu Mar 26, 2020, 10:34 AM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

LudwigPastorius

(10,828 posts)
33. Can't decide...
Thu Mar 26, 2020, 10:49 AM
Mar 2020

If she's not the next Vice President, should she be the Secretary of Commerce or Labor?
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True Blue American

(18,166 posts)
49. That would be fine
Thu Mar 26, 2020, 02:24 PM
Mar 2020

Who for AG?

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Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
52. For AG, the former US Attorney for the Southern a District of New York, or Sally Yates. nt
Thu Mar 26, 2020, 04:00 PM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
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True Blue American

(18,166 posts)
53. Perfect
Thu Mar 26, 2020, 04:41 PM
Mar 2020

Now, where do we put Cuomo?

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Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
55. Unless something drastic happens, he likely gets frozen out and will
Thu Mar 26, 2020, 05:07 PM
Mar 2020

stay Governor of New York.

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True Blue American

(18,166 posts)
56. They do need him right now.
Thu Mar 26, 2020, 05:16 PM
Mar 2020

You hear all those names Trump read off that did not have diddly squat to do with what is happening in the world.? CNN cut them off, MSNBC still has Pence on.

Trump invited everyone to come see the Medical ship that os coming in. He is going to welcome the ship. Any reason to get that plane flying again.

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Hekate

(94,702 posts)
34. "Tomorrow we get back up and continue the fight"
Thu Mar 26, 2020, 11:02 AM
Mar 2020

Elizabeth Warren is wonderful.

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Hav

(5,969 posts)
35. Some chose to not to show up
Thu Mar 26, 2020, 11:07 AM
Mar 2020

to work on the bill or negotiate with the other Senators. Others worked hard to limit the R's influence and to achieve the best possible result given all the circumstances.
The last few days couldn't have shown better how right Warren was with her 2 words summary about BS: Massive...

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totodeinhere

(13,313 posts)
36. Please stop the Bernie Sanders bashing.
Thu Mar 26, 2020, 11:27 AM
Mar 2020

We are in the midst of an emergency not seen by most of us in our lifetimes. The time is now to come together and stop the bashing. And my message applies equally to any Bernie supporter. We all need to stop it.

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ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
44. This is not bashing. (nt)
Thu Mar 26, 2020, 12:42 PM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
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mcar

(43,512 posts)
58. Not bashing. Criticizing. Nt
Thu Mar 26, 2020, 05:41 PM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
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paleotn

(19,206 posts)
38. It's not everything....
Thu Mar 26, 2020, 11:34 AM
Mar 2020

But McTurtle and Munchkin caved far, far more than expected. Funny thing is, a lot of Donnie's business interests are in the most affected category, yet he explicitly gets no money. Ha!

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True Blue American

(18,166 posts)
40. Pelosi, Schumer
Thu Mar 26, 2020, 11:40 AM
Mar 2020

And Manchin stood up to MItch and his greed. Manchin was chosen to inform him.

I wondered why, after 2 rages Mitch went after Joe. Now we know.

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LizBeth

(10,823 posts)
47. Sanders more and more appears to be what we have now. His ego is amazing.
Thu Mar 26, 2020, 12:59 PM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
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Joe Biden
 

Cha

(305,440 posts)
59. Thank you, Senator Warren and,
Thu Mar 26, 2020, 07:14 PM
Mar 2020

ehrnst!

If I were to vote in a presidential
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