I rarely engage in this crap.

Too logical?

I'm not sure I get it.

or, at least some of them.

But in order to do this he first has to be elected. Including the votes of the Sanderistas.

So I decided on a limerick for Bernie-only Bros...

There once was an ass from New York
Who thought that your Bern was a dork
But Joe won the race
Proved Don a disgrace
Let's all go and pop a big cork

If I have missed your limericks before (on the Lounge?) I apologize.

He won't stand a chance--none of us will--under another 4 years of tRump and McConnell.
Also, does he really think Bernie is going to run for president again?
Time to hop off the Burlington Express!

Supreme Court Justice?

too many of them aren't pragmatic which makes practical retorts very difficult. It's either their way or it doesn't matter if everything burns to the ground

Attempts to reason with them that I've seen fail:
- Would they rather see Trump getting elected: They see no difference between Biden and Trump because of their naive binary thinking
- Do you prefer Trump appointing the next 2-3 SC judges: Again, no difference because of Clarence Thomas and Biden voting for some picks of Repub presidents back in a time when not politicizing that process was the norm. This is below child-like thinking by them, they don't realize the power behind being the one who nominates the candidate.
- Obamacare under attack by Repubs: They don't care, anything but Medicare for all isn't an option.

I would continue the discussion if he would stop with all the name calling memes.

All I got was more memes, so I moved on

even in politics and idealism must take a backseat."

This arguement made sense to me. I was a Bernie supporter in 2916 (voted for Hilary, of course) and I think
he could actually have beat orange-face then, but this time around is different. Don-the-Con's support is more ingrained now, Faux Neus is all in and raring to go and support for Bernie isn't as widespread as in 2016. Back then, there were people who would have voted for Bernie, but not for Hilary and they voted for Don-the-Con. Now there are many people (disaffected republicans, former Hilary supporters and others) who won't vote for either Bernie or Donnie, but who will vote for Biden, making him the safer bet to win back the Country.

It could be a close thing in any case and risking the country's future on idealistic goals, right or wrong, is not facing reality.

One more point... Faux Neus is completely ready to go with a "Save us from Communism" schtick to use against Bernie. Right before Super Tuesday I caught a glimpse of their programming and they were running quasi documentaries on the evils of communism, of Stalin and Mao, no less. Biden won and I haven't seen or heard anything like it again. If Bernie had won big then, I'm sure that would have been just the beginning of the Anti-Commie campaign they were going to run with. All of us on the left would have found it comical, but it would have been scarily effective with the simple souls of the right.

There once was a dick from Manhattan
On taxpayers' bucks he would fatten
The man was a whore
He stole from the poor
Joe'll smash that asshole just like Patton

he or she likes. Then point out what will happen in each of those areas if Trump gets re-elected. For example, Bernie wants Medicare for all, but with Trump, not only do you not get Medicare for All, but he also wants to take away Obamacare.

And walk away? This is from The Economist.

I wonder how he really feels about the presidency or our democracy overall.

Talk about peeing in the party punchbowl. I'll bet his FDR-like fireside chats during the approaching Second Great Republican Depression would be a real uplifting hoot to listen to.

Always the same themes they can count on one hand, though. The man's consistent like a talking doll with its string pulled.

"Anyway, the Democrats do it too."

Your words won’t work. Try facts. Have them take a look at Biden’s campaign website and they will see that Biden has incorporated a lot of Sanders’ ideas into his platform. When I saw that Biden was going to end the forever wars, that convinced me. No one’s mind is made up in one instant, but in a series of little events. Don’t bully, use facts. As the bodies pile up round this country your friend will see the light.

I think it’s so ridiculous to vote to keep Trump in office by wasting the power of one’s vote. I’m not sure there is a way to breakthrough that mindset. Life is too short to beg a Bernie supporter. Ugh, even thinking about it makes me nauseous.

They aren’t pro-women’s rights if they are #BernieorBust. Unfortunately the odds of RBG still seated in 5 years are iffy. Another conservative justice will set the Supreme Court as anti-choice possibly for decades.