But I also really hope Sanders is asked about this-- asked if he believes the story, and if not, why his surrogates and supporters are pushing it.

I was in fact too general in my post. Most people with very liberal views are very reasonable people who only want to help others. I was referring to the loud minority who often dominate the discourse online. Sometimes these folks are referred to as Bernie Bros, but I was trying to be less directly antagonistic. I see that my choice of words was poorly advised, and have tried to edit my post accordingly.

...mentioned in the OP. When called on it they accuse the rest of us of "bashing" and "hating" and Senator Sanders himself claims to have no knowledge of any of it at all, and neither does he full-throatedly condemn it.

Don't complain about the OP -- that's just another Democrat who has figured out that no matter what concessions VP Biden and the Party make to Sanders, "the Left" ain't gonna vote with us.

Instead they'll smear Biden (who has on the nomination -- count the votes, Sir) and ensure a Trump win in November. I mean senility? Rape? Good gods.

is not only futile, it would hurt his efforts to bring along independents and moderate Republicans. Joe is best pivoting to the general election. I suspect that the remaining primaries will only increase his margin of victory.

vehemently denied. Vehemently.. I tell you!

MO, imo.

the Leftists than will find Leftists actually pushing these CTs, many of which are right wing wacko theories.

The bashing and scapegoating of an ill defined left has a negative impact on getting Democratic votes and is tiresome.

I mean, there are many Bernie supporters who still believe Russia hacking was a hoax.

So, Sanders did not push the party to the left. Left's unreasonable demands, whining and extortion pushed the party to the center where there are votes to replace what the left is threatening to withhold.

When people can borrow money from a bank, they don't have to go to a loan shark and put up with oppression.

While I agree the conspiracies listed in the the OP are ridiculous lies, I’m not entirely sure that they originate from the left. If we’re truly concerned about party unity, it doesn’t help to point fingers at each other. Whomever benefits from a divided party is the most likely source.

But its true; even if the "conspiracies" may be different, the attitudes and obstinance are very similar.

oh yeah

When I say "we", I don't mean just on DU. I hear terms like "far left" and "the 'center" (as in 'moving to the center') all the time on cable news, for instance, with no attempt to define them.

To some on the right, if you are pro choice, you are a "liberal". Even if you agree with them on EVERY OTHER party position. And to some on the "left", if you are pro-life, your are right wing, even if you agree with every other Democratic Party platform point

yes indeed

Link to tweet

Even the NYT is not above catapulting RW bs like SBVT as a "story" they are "covering."

the fact that the latest accusations aren't picked up and embraced by, for example, other figureheads of the metoo movement, is just another puzzle piece in their conspiracy theory that this story got buried. What happened was apparently that they looked at the story and didn't find it credible at all. Similarly, I'm sure other journalists/news stations have looked at it simply for the reason that Biden is in the spotlight now. So far, none found it credible.

This behavior of denial is part of the pattern as well, every counter argument to their theory becomes a part of the conspiracy. God knows how often we saw that in regards to Clinton.


" (3) Joe Biden has dementia and can barely stand up. (This one lost steam after the Biden-Sanders 1-on-1 debate.)"

It only lost a bit of steam. You can still find more than enough who cling to this dementia fantasy and that Biden cannot talk for more than a few minutes. I don't even read that much on Twitter, only through DU, and I still saw that claim again the day after Biden had this hour long online talk. They obviously cannot think that through because it doesn't make them wonder how someone with dementia kicked their messiah's ass in the most recent debate.

… Heck, in 2016, the Bros trucked out every right wing anti-Hilary talking point but Ron Brown's plane.

Ricky Ray Rector, Sista Souljah, Tarmac haircut, Mogadishu, Whitewater, Monica, Paula, I don't think there was a RW meme they didn't run with. Very fishy and Bernie has been a leading megaphone since 1994.

Ron Brown's plane. I kept expecting it here on DU in 2016 but I saw all the ones you listed and more.

Why not tell your story to a broader audience? Why not go to the police? Why not file a civil suit?

that group is not credible on anything. Just look at all of the conspiracy theories they have pushed recently.

A lot of good things came out of #metoo, but it also made it more likely than ever that someone would try to weaponize it. We saw this attempted with Robert Mueller and Pete Buttigieg recently we also saw women try tonoush fake stories to newspapers to try to discredit them.

It's pretty hard to believe a woman with no proof and a clear political motivation to hurt Biden.


She tried to peddle this to legit outlets who wouldn't touch it, so it was pushed by Bernie propagandists and echoed by Trump propogandists.

I’m aware of her story, but not the holes in it.

Mind you I do wonder about her possible name change.

Which holes are you talking about?

First she says she left DC because of the way our nation treated the "a compassionate, caring, visionary leader" that is, apparently, Vladiimir Putin. Later, the reason became Biden. Now, where the story was always just a bit touchy feely, now there's actual penetration where it was never mentioned before. This person has no credibility and you can kinda tell based on who's pushing it versus who isn't. I have yet to see Sirota, Gray, or Turner touch this though Turner retweeted an unrelated post by a screen name implying it (which could have been changed later. Susan Sarandon (of course) is pushing it.

Nina Turner's comments on Susan Sarandon and other posts can be found under her "Tweets and Replies."

I hate these people with a fire I normally reserve for Trump. So disgusting.