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RandySF

(70,240 posts)
Mon Mar 30, 2020, 09:25 AM Mar 2020

Bernie Sanders says he's staying in the presidential race. Many Democrats fear a reprise of 2016

Behind the growing fear among many Democrats that Sen. Bernie Sanders’s continued presence in the presidential race could spell doom in November is the belief that they’ve seen it happen before — in the last campaign.

The 2016 Democratic convention was just about to get started when Sanders (I-Vt.) addressed his delegates. It was time to support her, he told his backers. They disagreed, booing loudly. Some stuck their thumbs down as TV cameras captured the extraordinary show of dissent, which would continue on the convention floor.

To some Democrats in that campaign, it was a lesson learned the hard way about the limitations of Sanders’s promises of support and the ferocity of his unbridled backers. Four years later, with the senator from Vermont still running against former vice president Joe Biden despite almost impossible odds of victory, some party leaders are increasingly worried about a reprise of the bitter divisions that many Democrats blame for Hillary Clinton’s loss.

“It’s the equivalent of a World War II kamikaze pilot,” said Philippe Reines, a longtime adviser to Clinton. “They have no better option than to plow into USS Biden.”

The judgment Sanders makes about his fate and the direction taken by his supporters could be among the most consequential decisions of the race, determining whether Democrats speak with one voice against a president who is already aimed at November, or squabble for months more.




https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/bernie-sanders-says-hes-staying-in-the-presidential-race-many-democrats-fear-a-reprise-of-their-2016-defeat/2020/03/28/a6b8a8dc-7032-11ea-a3ec-70d7479d83f0_story.html

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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Bernie Sanders says he's staying in the presidential race. Many Democrats fear a reprise of 2016 (Original Post) RandySF Mar 2020 OP
Such A Repetition Is His Intent, Sir The Magistrate Mar 2020 #1
Difference from 2016: Biden is a stronger candidate than Hillary. thesquanderer Mar 2020 #5
'Bernie' Is Not An Acute Student Of Political Reality, Sir The Magistrate Mar 2020 #6
James Comey did not have legitimate revelations. He had manipulative antics. (eom) StevieM Mar 2020 #15
True, that would be the better word, but the point remains, thesquanderer Mar 2020 #16
As a result, and in response, the party will move further right... NurseJackie Mar 2020 #9
Exactly, Ma'am The Magistrate Mar 2020 #10
... William769 Mar 2020 #19
I am not sure if he has any good committee assignments but he needs to lose those after this. redstatebluegirl Mar 2020 #2
He will regret doing this duforsure Mar 2020 #3
Sen. Sanders needs to do the HONORABLE thing....DROP OUT.... ProudMNDemocrat Mar 2020 #4
Sanders is getting blown out by Biden yet comradebillyboy Mar 2020 #7
Seriously Bernie? npk Mar 2020 #8
I think we've all seen this movie before padah513 Mar 2020 #11
"It's the equivalent of a World War II kamikaze pilot," honest.abe Mar 2020 #12
DAMMITT!! Bayard Mar 2020 #13
The members of DU need to raise their voices---Change your mtngirl47 Mar 2020 #14
So tired of having to pacify Bernie & his supporters liberalmediaaddict Mar 2020 #17
This says everything about a man in time of crisis, reject. This is what history will write. LizBeth Mar 2020 #18
 

The Magistrate

(96,043 posts)
1. Such A Repetition Is His Intent, Sir
Mon Mar 30, 2020, 09:29 AM
Mar 2020

There is no longer the slightest room for doubt 'Bernie' intends to do all he can to damage the prospects of Mr. Biden, and Democrats lla down the ticket to dog-catcher, this coming November.

The man has made it clear he takes the 'Democratic Establishment' as his chief foe, and if he cannot harm it any other way, maintaining this cheap thug Trump in office will serve his desire better than anything else available to him.





"From Bernie’s perspective, dropping out of a race once you have no chance of winning is peculiar behavior that can only be explained by the work of a hidden hand. For most politicians, though, it is actually standard operating procedure. Only Sanders seems to think the normal thing to do once voters have made clear they don’t want to nominate you is to continue campaigning anyway."





"When things are not called by their right names, what is said cannot make sense. When what is said does not make sense, what is planned cannot succeed. When plans do not succeed, people become uneasy. When people are uneasy, punishments do not fit crimes. When punishments do not fit crimes, people cannot know where to put hand or foot."


If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

thesquanderer

(12,300 posts)
5. Difference from 2016: Biden is a stronger candidate than Hillary.
Mon Mar 30, 2020, 09:50 AM
Mar 2020

Biden won't be dealing with a James Comey revelation, among other things. Sanders was among the least of Hillary's problems last time. (And not as much of an issue as Trump's primary competitors were for him!)

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

The Magistrate

(96,043 posts)
6. 'Bernie' Is Not An Acute Student Of Political Reality, Sir
Mon Mar 30, 2020, 09:54 AM
Mar 2020

And he was problem enough then.

He intends to be as much of a problem as he can manage again now.





"From Bernie’s perspective, dropping out of a race once you have no chance of winning is peculiar behavior that can only be explained by the work of a hidden hand. For most politicians, though, it is actually standard operating procedure. Only Sanders seems to think the normal thing to do once voters have made clear they don’t want to nominate you is to continue campaigning anyway."





"When things are not called by their right names, what is said cannot make sense. When what is said does not make sense, what is planned cannot succeed. When plans do not succeed, people become uneasy. When people are uneasy, punishments do not fit crimes. When punishments do not fit crimes, people cannot know where to put hand or foot."


If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

StevieM

(10,535 posts)
15. James Comey did not have legitimate revelations. He had manipulative antics. (eom)
Mon Mar 30, 2020, 01:10 PM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

thesquanderer

(12,300 posts)
16. True, that would be the better word, but the point remains,
Mon Mar 30, 2020, 01:13 PM
Mar 2020

it was nonsense that won't affect Biden. I didn't mean to imply any legitimacy to it, though. It was revelation from Comey and the press' perspective, but not in truth.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
9. As a result, and in response, the party will move further right...
Mon Mar 30, 2020, 10:17 AM
Mar 2020

As a result, and in response, the party will move further right... in order to match the perceived mood and temperature of the voters. His ill-conceived and ego-driven plans will cause the Democratic party to move right, not left.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

The Magistrate

(96,043 posts)
10. Exactly, Ma'am
Mon Mar 30, 2020, 10:23 AM
Mar 2020

The strategy 'Bernie' embodies is self-defeating. The left demonstrates it is not a reliable constituency, and so the Party must move towards the center to make up the deficit. This isolates and aggravates the left further, and many leftists simply double down on proving they can't be relied on in a broad coalition.

I am a 'Popular Front' man myself, and see evicting the worst elements of the reactionary and christo-fascist right as the chief and first duty of any leftist in present circumstances. No progress at all can be made until that task is accomplished.





"From Bernie’s perspective, dropping out of a race once you have no chance of winning is peculiar behavior that can only be explained by the work of a hidden hand. For most politicians, though, it is actually standard operating procedure. Only Sanders seems to think the normal thing to do once voters have made clear they don’t want to nominate you is to continue campaigning anyway."





"When things are not called by their right names, what is said cannot make sense. When what is said does not make sense, what is planned cannot succeed. When plans do not succeed, people become uneasy. When people are uneasy, punishments do not fit crimes. When punishments do not fit crimes, people cannot know where to put hand or foot."


If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

redstatebluegirl

(12,471 posts)
2. I am not sure if he has any good committee assignments but he needs to lose those after this.
Mon Mar 30, 2020, 09:29 AM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

duforsure

(11,885 posts)
3. He will regret doing this
Mon Mar 30, 2020, 09:35 AM
Mar 2020

Knowing his chances are gone, and with a national crisis going on. Drop out Bernie and don't do like you did to Hillary. For this now alone I hope he rethinks this and drops out , then help Biden win, instead of prolonging the inevitable, and hurting the country.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

ProudMNDemocrat

(18,959 posts)
4. Sen. Sanders needs to do the HONORABLE thing....DROP OUT....
Mon Mar 30, 2020, 09:40 AM
Mar 2020

Why?

1. Bernie Sanders IS NOT a member of the Democratic Party. Caucusing with the Democrats in the Senate does not make you one.

2. Joe Biden WILL take Bernie's ideas under advisement as to how they could move the country further in the right direction.

3. The longer Bernie stays in the race with no possible path to the nomination, he paves the way for a Trump win. For Trump will capitalize on this, like he did in 2016.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

comradebillyboy

(10,424 posts)
7. Sanders is getting blown out by Biden yet
Mon Mar 30, 2020, 09:55 AM
Mar 2020

Sanders thinks Biden must submit to him. Shades of Bernie's dog in the manger performance from 2016.

Before the Biden South Carolina victory I had begun to believe the pundits who were telling me that Joe was finished. I had steeled myself to vote for BS. Then Joe took command. I am so glad I will never ever have to vote for Sanders.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

npk

(3,701 posts)
8. Seriously Bernie?
Mon Mar 30, 2020, 09:58 AM
Mar 2020

This is pure grandstanding. He knows that this will only help tRump and he also knows he cannot win the nomination. He is forcing Biden into an unnecessary drawn out primary. If Sanders really wanted to get tRump out of the White House he would be throwing his support behind Biden. This is crazy.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

padah513

(2,671 posts)
11. I think we've all seen this movie before
Mon Mar 30, 2020, 10:31 AM
Mar 2020

We need to change the ending this time

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

honest.abe

(9,238 posts)
12. "It's the equivalent of a World War II kamikaze pilot,"
Mon Mar 30, 2020, 10:38 AM
Mar 2020

Unfortunately an excellent analogy.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Bayard

(24,110 posts)
13. DAMMITT!!
Mon Mar 30, 2020, 12:49 PM
Mar 2020

This has gone on long enough! The man is NOT a Democrat, and he is dragging our party and presidential candidate down. Not dropping out and endorsing Joe says to me he has ulterior motives, or is just yelling at clouds at this point.

I can't believe I supported him in 2016. Can the Party Chairman do anything about this?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

mtngirl47

(1,073 posts)
14. The members of DU need to raise their voices---Change your
Mon Mar 30, 2020, 01:08 PM
Mar 2020

Undecided to Biden and help unite the party.

I stayed Undecided for a long time...but I voted in the NC Primary for Joe and changed my decision on this board.

Are there *really* 48% of our number that are Undecided???

So bring on the "don't tell me when to decide" posts.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

liberalmediaaddict

(917 posts)
17. So tired of having to pacify Bernie & his supporters
Mon Mar 30, 2020, 01:26 PM
Mar 2020

For 5 years Democrats have lived in fear of a Democratic Socialist and his "revolution." The party has bent over backwards to meet his demands: Changing platforms, election rules and debate topics.

And what is our reward? Bernie and his supporters repeatedly accuse Democrats of stealing elections from him. That anyone who hasn't voted for Bernie is part of the "Democratic corporate establishment."

They can’t accept that Hillary and Biden beat him by million of votes. That's not a conspiracy it's the will of the voters. And even now after 4 years of Trump destroying every progressive policy he comes across, Berniecrats still want to bash on the party's nominee. They've learned nothing from 2016. And if they take their attack-Biden campaign all the way to the convention Trump is going to get re-elected.



If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

LizBeth

(10,674 posts)
18. This says everything about a man in time of crisis, reject. This is what history will write.
Mon Mar 30, 2020, 03:02 PM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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