The sooner people, especially 'Bernie's' well-meaning supporters, get it through their heads what 'Bernie' actually is doing, the better it will be for our people and our country.

The fact is Sanders campaigns not to gain the Democratic Party's nomination for President, but to weaken if not wreck the 'Democratic Establishment'. For 'Bernie', ousting Trump and ending the Republican majority in the Senate is barely an afterthought to this long-standing purpose. Once Sanders' supporters face this fact squarely, they may be able to decide honestly what their best course in this election is: voting against 'Bernie' in any future primary, and for Mr. Biden and Democrats all down the ticket to the lowest office on the ballot come November.

It is probably true that Sanders sees destroying the 'Democratic Establishment' as an essential precondition to defeating Trump et al, and so by his own lights he means it when he says he will do all he can to defeat Trump. But that belief is so self-serving and delusional it deserves not just scorn but contempt.

As with Trump, the only real cure is to deprive the man of the oxygen of worshipful attention. The effect would be that of a bucket of water on the wicked witch of Oz....





"From Bernie’s perspective, dropping out of a race once you have no chance of winning is peculiar behavior that can only be explained by the work of a hidden hand. For most politicians, though, it is actually standard operating procedure. Only Sanders seems to think the normal thing to do once voters have made clear they don’t want to nominate you is to continue campaigning anyway."





"When things are not called by their right names, what is said cannot make sense. When what is said does not make sense, what is planned cannot succeed. When plans do not succeed, people become uneasy. When people are uneasy, punishments do not fit crimes. When punishments do not fit crimes, people cannot know where to put hand or foot."

But berners are paying attention.
The nations psyche is to busy dealing with
C-19.

Reality in some parallel universe somewhere, maybe, but not this one.

I mean... some of us aren't.

Sometimes I have to guess, and sometimes I guess wrong. Sometimes, I even forget. My addiction to 'that cheerful and roguish vice, politeness,' unfortunately is seated alongside a life-long tendency to absent-mindedness. That did not develop with age, it was present from the first.

My view of private insurance would curl your hair.

I also recognize that simply moving to abolish them would cause great disruption and dislocation.

People who actually work at providing health care, and the tools and drugs necessary, deserve their profit. Or would you just commandeer their labor?





"From Bernie’s perspective, dropping out of a race once you have no chance of winning is peculiar behavior that can only be explained by the work of a hidden hand. For most politicians, though, it is actually standard operating procedure. Only Sanders seems to think the normal thing to do once voters have made clear they don’t want to nominate you is to continue campaigning anyway."





"When things are not called by their right names, what is said cannot make sense. When what is said does not make sense, what is planned cannot succeed. When plans do not succeed, people become uneasy. When people are uneasy, punishments do not fit crimes. When punishments do not fit crimes, people cannot know where to put hand or foot."

I await with bated breath your comments on my motivations....





"From Bernie’s perspective, dropping out of a race once you have no chance of winning is peculiar behavior that can only be explained by the work of a hidden hand. For most politicians, though, it is actually standard operating procedure. Only Sanders seems to think the normal thing to do once voters have made clear they don’t want to nominate you is to continue campaigning anyway."





"When things are not called by their right names, what is said cannot make sense. When what is said does not make sense, what is planned cannot succeed. When plans do not succeed, people become uneasy. When people are uneasy, punishments do not fit crimes. When punishments do not fit crimes, people cannot know where to put hand or foot."

I guess you’re right on that account.

....on profit over public good. Have you ever worked in the healthcare "system"?

On what do you base that "system"? Research? Pharmaceuticals? Treatment? Insurance coverage?

A lot of buzzwords but a paucity of facts.

A false dilemma (or sometimes called false dichotomy) is a type of informal fallacy in which a statement falsely claims an "either/or" situation, when in fact there is at least one additional logically valid option.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_dilemma

If one does not agree with you on single payer, they therefor "prefer a health care system based on profit over the public good."

have a snowball's chance in hell of becoming law - in this case speaking of healthcare system.

Pretty pathetic selfish desperation to try to cling to a dream (becoming president) that will never happen, at the expense of the non MAGA American people.

ME ME ME ME

Heck, the right wing predicted death panels with ObamaCare, which was silly and never happened. Italy's version of M4U, however.

stirring up shit

It's hilarious, and I'm anxiously awaiting an opportunity to use it.

Being a big city type, the metaphor would never have occured to me, but it is extremely apt....

We need a unified voice right about NOW.

Reality isn't endorsing Bernie Sanders.

a society based on profit over the public good.

I do believe whether Bernie is nominated or not history will be exceptionally kind to him.

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will be the response sometime between 2040 and 2050 to a Jeopardy clue as to who lost in two consecutive Democratic presidential primaries. He will also be remembered as the guest that refused to leave when the party was over.

I wouldn't count on history to be either generous or kind with respect to his legacy. Naming post offices doesn't normally to lead to statues being commissioned or erected. Perhaps the state officials will decide to name a state park after Bernie?

the poorest of the poors last safety net

when you say the post office line it devalues those folks that depend on those clinics

makes me sad that there is that kind of meanness here

but Bernie also has voted incorrectly (or not voted at all) on a number of bills. Attempting to turn him into a great senator when his career was lackluster isn't mean, it's honest though.

not to mention his Iraq war votes

I guess that it is easier to deflect rather than defend Bernie.

Bernie besides the public health clinics is responsible for the one and only audit of the federal reserve and the bill that gives vets a choice of going to private hospitals if va appointments are backed up..those are 3 off the top of my head so a bit better than post office naming

I am happy to support biden in the general even tho I disagree with him on most issues because I don't disagree with him as much as I do with trump.....please don't make it harder by mocking the others that ran...it hurts the party

That seems somewhat arrogant and I don't believe that you are one of the administrators for this site.

The bill for the veterans was in response to all of the veterans that were dying in hospitals across the country. That travesty happened while Bernie was chair of the Veterans Affairs committee--so in other words, he was fixing a mess because under his watchful eyes things got screwed up. The bill was passed almost unanimously because no representative or senator would want to be seen as voting against veterans benefits so almost any amendment introduced was going to get approved and there weren't any negotiation skills involved.

The Federal Reserve Transparency Act was actually an idea that was conceived by Ron Paul and the Tea Party. Bernie latched onto the idea and sponsored it in the Senate in the 111th, 112th, 113th, and 114th Congresses. By the way, I don't believe that the libertarian bill ever became a law so it serves as an example of Bernie's lack of competency as a legislator.

ignore joes

the mess from vets dying was because some senators vote to start wars that are non of our business and our troops get hurt

the federal reserve was audited once so the bill did pass, it was watered down to a one time thing at Obama's request

no problem with the community health clinics tho huh?

Keep digging yourself further into the hole...

There is no requirement on this site that I have to post something negative about Biden if I post that I don't like Bernie's congressional record. It's my opinion that Bernie is a mediocre senator and you won't be able to convince me otherwise.

In 1998 Sanders voted in favor of the Iraq Liberation Act of 1998, which said: "It should be the policy of the United States to support efforts to remove the regime headed by Saddam Hussein from power in Iraq and to promote the emergence of a democratic government to replace that regime."

Later that same year, Sanders also backed a resolution that stated: "Congress reaffirms that it should be the policy of the United States to support efforts to remove the regime headed by Saddam Hussein from power in Iraq and to promote the emergence of a democratic government to replace that regime."

Sanders also voted for the 2001 Authorization Unilateral Military Force Against Terrorists (AUMF), which pretty much allowed Bush to wage war wherever he wanted.

nice try on the other one

As has been mentioned innumerable times here, imagine what a M4a would look like for Americans right now with dotard in charge!

A start would be having a detailed plan on how much it costs and how to pay for it. Anything new from BS regarding these points?
You have to pay for it just like the other countries do it: By paying for your insurance and with your taxes. There is no mystery and if BS had any clue about this beyond his slogans, he could be honest about what percentage of your pay check will be necessary to pay for it. 10%? 20%?

And regarding taking the current costs as a starting point for what is already paid, there are companies who spend way more in providing good healthcare plans to be attractive for employees. That has absolutely no relevance on the costs an employee in another company with shitty plans would have to pay.

in two years ago, as Bernie promises.

Social Security didn't start out covering who it does now - kids whose parents died, etc. That took decades to expand

It's similar to those on the right who are convinced that shutting down Planned Parenthood is a simple solution to "end abortion," because it makes sense on paper, and gives them a demon to blame, when it's actually a very complex issue. It's become dogma, despite the expertise of those who actually understand the societal, personal and political forces that contribute unplanned pregnancy, and how the problem would be made worse by simply shutting down Planned Parentood. Even GOP polticians who know better continue to bang the drum against Planned Parenthood because it's now political and tribal heresy to speak the truth about the catastrophic damage of shutting down Planned Parenthood and "shifting all that money to adoption fees."

Those who see Planned Parenthood as a dragon to be slayed believe "reality endorses" their simple solution any time there is the rare abortion that leads to complicatins, because to someone with a hammer, everything looks like a nail. They shun experts who don't confirm their bias.

Bernie attacks anyone who dares to disagree with his math - no matter how expert and unbiased they are. Not a good trait for a POTUS.

https://www.urban.org/research/publication/incremental-comprehensive-health-reform-how-various-reform-options-compare-coverage-and-costs

And I’m sure Pres. Biden will address health care legislation accordingly.

She's so out of touch with reality it's not fucking funny.

So is Cornel West and his calling President Obama, a Field Negro, does not make him correct either.

She writes for far left publications and this country is not far left, we are liberal.

Don't know how she voted 2016, yet West voted for Jill Stein and that makes him part of the problem.

You were going to inform me what my motivations were a while back. I would really love to learn why I think and act as I do....





"From Bernie’s perspective, dropping out of a race once you have no chance of winning is peculiar behavior that can only be explained by the work of a hidden hand. For most politicians, though, it is actually standard operating procedure. Only Sanders seems to think the normal thing to do once voters have made clear they don’t want to nominate you is to continue campaigning anyway."





"When things are not called by their right names, what is said cannot make sense. When what is said does not make sense, what is planned cannot succeed. When plans do not succeed, people become uneasy. When people are uneasy, punishments do not fit crimes. When punishments do not fit crimes, people cannot know where to put hand or foot."

The poorly written article cited in OP makes no sense and relies on a magical voter revolution. Magic does not work in the real world

Do IT Than Joe Biden Did To WIN.

or don't you care about the will of the voters? I hope Sanders supporters are not setting up another "The DNC rigged the election" scenario. The DU archives are filled with such OPs.

It would be a shame if this was the case, wouldn't it Uncle Joe?


ONLY!!! 2020 and beyond.

Nevermind. Don't remind me. I won't be able to see it.

and was yelled at by Bernie Sanders to get off of his lawn!

This was about Reality Winner, who was thrown under the bus by The Intercept.

We haven't seen the horrors of what eventually will be common.

Capitalism simply cannot handle what is coming. Climate change and all the baggage (more virus outbreaks, famine, war, etc) is going to slap the shit out of our "reality".

Unless we move away from the hideously inefficient zero sum game and find a way to collectively work toward something other than $$ we are simply not going to survive as a species. Most of the recent disgusting bailout (socialism for the wealthy and crumbs for everyone else) is not a good sign.

In the real world, no one in congress is going to be paying attention to sanders unless and until sanders is able to generate his magical voter revolution in the real world. I admit that I never considered sanders to be a serious candidate and never understood sanders appeal. sanders has no significant legislative accomplishments in his time in Congress in large part because sanders never bothered to attempt to get his fellow members of congress to support his programs. In the real world, it takes hard work and getting along with people to get major legislation passed. I was not surprised with sanders admitted that he does not try to get along with his fellow members of congress and that he was not good at pleasantries

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I am shocked someone so sharp...🙄

He needs to retire his campaign. I'm in favor of letting folks vote, but not the continued bashing of Biden when we need unity in the face of the tRump threat.

So far they've endorsed Biden.

Replies are nice, too, of course....

Votes are what matters, not enthusiasm, not the number of donors, not any of that nonsense.

I really don't need to lectured about reality by the folks that ignore votes and delegates.

But I get it. Dreams die hard.

A Separate Reality: Further Conversations With Don Juan is a book written by anthropologist/author Carlos Castaneda, published in 1971, concerning the events that took place during his apprenticeship with a Yaqui Indian Sorcerer, Don Juan Matus, between 1960 and 1965.

In the book Castaneda continues his description of his apprenticeship under the tutelage of Don Juan. As in his previous book, The Teachings of Don Juan: A Yaqui Way of Knowledge, Castaneda describes the experiences he has with Don Juan while under the influence of the psychotropic plants that Don Juan offered him, peyote (Lophophora williamsii) and a smokable mixture of what Castaneda believed to be, among other plants, dried mushroom of the genus Psilocybe. The main focus of the book centered on Don Juan's attempts at getting Carlos to See, a practice best described as, in Castaneda's own words, "perceiving energy directly as it flows through the universe".

The book contains an introduction, an epilogue and two separate parts. Part One, "The Preliminaries of 'Seeing'", describes his re-initiation into the apprenticeship from which he withdrew in late 1965, and also describes his introduction to another brujo (sorcerer) named Don Genaro. Part Two, "The Task of 'Seeing'", elaborates on the mental processes involved with Seeing, and begins with Castaneda realizing that the plants are a necessary tool to arrive at Seeing.

That's the only Reality endorsing Bernie.

Because "reality" obviously has chosen Joe Biden and "reality" is that Bernie and his fans are in big time denial.

In the real world, sanders was rejected by the vast bulk of the party. sanders was appealing only to 30% of the party and after South Carolina the rest of the party moved to Joe Biden to stop sanders.

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That title really does make me smile....



"From Bernie’s perspective, dropping out of a race once you have no chance of winning is peculiar behavior that can only be explained by the work of a hidden hand. For most politicians, though, it is actually standard operating procedure. Only Sanders seems to think the normal thing to do once voters have made clear they don’t want to nominate you is to continue campaigning anyway."





"When things are not called by their right names, what is said cannot make sense. When what is said does not make sense, what is planned cannot succeed. When plans do not succeed, people become uneasy. When people are uneasy, punishments do not fit crimes. When punishments do not fit crimes, people cannot know where to put hand or foot."

You are aware that the author isnt a small or large d Democrat but a Communist aligned with the Trotskyist faction of the International Socialist Workers Party, an unabashed Communist organization?

You do know who Trotsky is right?

... everyone knows that Bernie has lost. It's just that Bernie and his most loyal followers are having difficulty in accepting the truth. Sad.

Still... absurd posts like this continue to tickle my funny bone.

An article title " The Democrats do not deserve our vote".

Which decried supporting the Democratic Party as the lesser of two evils and equated it with the Republicans.

I thought that the OP was unaware that Stalin promoted his image within the Soviet Union as "Uncle Joe".

Perhaps that was generous, could it be that it was intended as a tribute?

Every time he posts he continues to undermine Sanders not elevate him.

During the WWII alliance with the Soviet Union, 'Uncle Joe' gained some currency as a reference to Stalin, and I feel quite certain he has no idea what a person of impish humor might make of that.

I recently ran upon a fellow here who seemed to have no idea who Mr. Norman Thomas was, or to know anything about the standing of the Socialist Party he led nationally during and before the Roosevelt era.





"From Bernie’s perspective, dropping out of a race once you have no chance of winning is peculiar behavior that can only be explained by the work of a hidden hand. For most politicians, though, it is actually standard operating procedure. Only Sanders seems to think the normal thing to do once voters have made clear they don’t want to nominate you is to continue campaigning anyway."





"When things are not called by their right names, what is said cannot make sense. When what is said does not make sense, what is planned cannot succeed. When plans do not succeed, people become uneasy. When people are uneasy, punishments do not fit crimes. When punishments do not fit crimes, people cannot know where to put hand or foot."

I am under the impression it was a domestic coinage in the U.S., playing off our 'Uncle Sam'. In English writing of the period I have seen 'Joe for King' used for teasing people who talked up the Communist Party there. Not sure it was safe to have made such a familiar reference in Moscow --- I recall an instance where someone did a long stretch in gulag over parking his coat on a handy bust of Lenin while he tended to some household repair....

In England by the way, the Nationalist leader Chiang Kai-shek was referred to by some music hall comedians at the time as 'General Cash My Check"....

It's like some right wing unemployed beer guzzler in Alabama raising a rifle and yelling "The south will rise again, yesssiree Bob"

Lady Karma doesn't have his number the way I think she does. We'll see what is what by the end of April.

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