Democratic Primaries
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or inviting him on the talk shows much. Meanwhile, Joe Biden is more in demand. Maybe the media outlets understand the situation better than the Senator does. Or maybe Bernie's not making himself as available these days. No studio in the basement and the like.
It's beginning to look to me like Senator Sanders (I-VT) is running something of a shadow campaign, rather that a media campaign right now. I see his supporters writing about him, but not a lot from the Senator directly.
I hope he's not just waiting to see if Joe Biden gets the virus. That, I think, would be a poor campaign strategy, since Joe is staying away from direct contact with people right now.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
The Magistrate
(96,043 posts)"When things are not called by their right names, what is said cannot make sense. When what is said does not make sense, what is planned cannot succeed. When plans do not succeed, people become uneasy. When people are uneasy, punishments do not fit crimes. When punishments do not fit crimes, people cannot know where to put hand or foot."
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
MineralMan
(147,623 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
calimary
(84,388 posts)Quite insightful.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
trueblue2007
(18,151 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Sloumeau
(2,657 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
msongs
(70,197 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
MineralMan
(147,623 posts)Same old, same old. That's what he did in the last debate, too. Joe was on topic. Bernie just fell back on his stump speech. It wasn't even close, that debate.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(305,481 posts)and surprising. Hope it continues.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
TreasonousBastard
(43,049 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Mike 03
(16,923 posts)politics, his name hasn't come up since around Super Tuesday. Not a word, not a whisper. We all just want to vote in November and survive the virus. Sadly, Bernie doesn't even seem to rise to the level of an afterthought around here.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LizBeth
(10,824 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
The Velveteen Ocelot
(121,018 posts)Actually, he hasn't said anything new since about 1968. But despite the outraged squawks from the bros, there's no reason to pay attention to him anymore. He should make himself useful by returning to the Senate and doing the job the citizens of Vermont hired him to do. Maybe there are still some post offices that need naming.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Walleye
(35,868 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
dweller
(25,100 posts)✌🏼
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
MineralMan
(147,623 posts)much right now. Where are the videos from his home studio? Where are the new ads, like Biden issues regularly? If he's not going to be actively campaigning, he should drop out and endorse the presumptive nominee, it seems to me.
Having his surrogates talk about old, fake accusations against Biden isn't going to cut it.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
dweller
(25,100 posts)when he came off like the angry get off my lawn guy,
if he was on now i'd turn the channel, just as i do for fatnixon
if he had ads, i'd mute them ... can't take the time or energy wasted to pay attention any longer
there's enough misery out there as it is
✌🏼
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
napi21
(45,806 posts)supporters. Nobody else is paying any attention to him. I've even had people ask me if Sanders was still in the race? I guess he still thinks he can get some of his ideas into the Dem platform, even if that means sticking around 'till the Convention. Of course, nobody knows how the Convention will happen.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
customerserviceguy
(25,185 posts)is that he thinks that the current C-19 crisis is the perfect backdrop for his M4A message. It is clear that Joe Biden has rejected that approach for now, and Sanders thinks that he can benefit from the contrast between the two.
If Joe Biden were to swing over to more of a single-payer position, in light of the C-19 crisis, then Bernie Sanders would have his message diluted considerably.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
empedocles
(15,751 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
MineralMan
(147,623 posts)conversation after the election. What emerges will not be M4A or ACA. It will be something new and uniquely American, I think. We're going to have lots to talk about in 2021, and that talk may not go in directions it has gone in the past.
I think we're going to see new ideas about how to deliver healthcare, rather than repetitions of the old ones. Everything is about to change, I believe. Our economy. Our sense of what government should be. The nation's responsibility for the well-being of its citizens. We're going to need some new ideas, because COVID-19 is about to wipe out our old way of looking at many things.
We will emerge from this crisis as almost a bankrupt nation, I think, and everything about how we operate is going to have to change. Bernie's ideas are from the 1960s. We need 21st Century ideas. While Joe Biden may not have those ideas in his mind, the people he brings into his administration surely will.
Everything is about to change drastically, I believe. We will either emerge with a new plan, or we will stumble and fall.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
calimary
(84,388 posts)the fewer of them to stand in the way, the more likely we can actually get something like this done.
VOTE, DAMMIT! And DON'T for get down-ballot!
We've not only got to take back the White House, we've gotta clean out the Senate, and fortify the House of Reps! And pick up as many governorships as possible.
BIGTIME housecleaning. We need as many of us to vote as possible!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
peggysue2
(11,486 posts)The 'anything can happen' statements from Bernie supporters is exactly that, MM.
Has nothing to do with the primary, per se. Has everything to do with wishful thinking. And a lack of subtlety.
Disruption and stirring the pot appear to be the drivers. That and promoting Bernie's brand.
Just a wee bit of deja vu, doncha think?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
MineralMan
(147,623 posts)as that sounds. That's what I think and that seems to be what Sanders is thinking. Joe has pulled back from public exposure, and wisely so. There will be no "pressing of the flesh" in the remaining campaign. It will be a virtual campaign.
I think, in November, that almost all of us will be voting by mail. State legislatures are already making that possible for later primaries. I think many things are about to undergo a rethinking and redesign.
We're going to be facing a new reality soon. I hope I get to see it.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
thucythucy
(8,742 posts)which no thinking person on earth could want--not anyone with two brain cells to rub together--I don't think Bernie would be the one to benefit. I think Senator Warren would then be the go-to alternative. Warren hasn't made a career out of trashing other Democrats. She hasn't hired Green Party "revolutionaries" to staff her campaign. She hasn't maligned the Democratic base (and therefore African Americans and educated white women), and she accepted her losses with grace and dignity.
So if Bernie is really holding out hoping he'll somehow become the de-facto candidate should Biden drop out, I think this is another of his delusions.
All that said--PLEASE Mr. Vice President, please do what you have to to stay safe.
The entire planet--and I mean all of humanity--is depending on you now.
BTW MM--I love what you do here on DU. Always nice to see your by-line.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
The Magistrate
(96,043 posts)'Bernie' still wouldn't get the nomination....
"From Bernies perspective, dropping out of a race once you have no chance of winning is peculiar behavior that can only be explained by the work of a hidden hand. For most politicians, though, it is actually standard operating procedure. Only Sanders seems to think the normal thing to do once voters have made clear they dont want to nominate you is to continue campaigning anyway."
"When things are not called by their right names, what is said cannot make sense. When what is said does not make sense, what is planned cannot succeed. When plans do not succeed, people become uneasy. When people are uneasy, punishments do not fit crimes. When punishments do not fit crimes, people cannot know where to put hand or foot."
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Progressive dog
(7,244 posts)there still seem to be a few of his staunch supporters advocating m4all because coronavirus.
Bernie is waiting for a miracle of some kind. We'll hear from him eventually, but I'm not looking forward to what Bernie will say. It might take a miracle to get him to drop out. Apparently the rejection of him by the voters is not enough.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
comradebillyboy
(10,473 posts)evaporating. I'm sure Biden and Hillary have compared notes on what trying to placate Sanders might accomplish. Biden should just ignore BS because there is little upside to appeasing him.
At this stage of the game Sanders is no more than a bump in the road.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
MineralMan
(147,623 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
The Magistrate
(96,043 posts)As a template for negotiations....
"From Bernies perspective, dropping out of a race once you have no chance of winning is peculiar behavior that can only be explained by the work of a hidden hand. For most politicians, though, it is actually standard operating procedure. Only Sanders seems to think the normal thing to do once voters have made clear they dont want to nominate you is to continue campaigning anyway."
"When things are not called by their right names, what is said cannot make sense. When what is said does not make sense, what is planned cannot succeed. When plans do not succeed, people become uneasy. When people are uneasy, punishments do not fit crimes. When punishments do not fit crimes, people cannot know where to put hand or foot."
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
comradebillyboy
(10,473 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Aquaria
(1,076 posts)Maybe if BS had conceded graciously and if he, through his worst BSers, hadnt gone out of their way to lie about the frontrunner and to attack Democratic voters, BS might have gotten a pity-fuck, participation trophy concession or two, but he didnt do those things.
And there is no upside to giving him anymore concessions. He hasnt brought anything new to the party but being an even bigger pain in the ass. His {laugh now} youth vote revolution never materialized (as political realists knew it wouldnt). He didnt expand his coalition any by appealing to any new demographic. Hell, he didnt bring in any new voters or new ideas at all.
BS2020 was the same old tired BS2016, only with louder yelling and more of that damned finger-jabbing. Personally, I want to break off that damned finger and throat-punch him with it.
The point is: If you dont have anything new to offer, and youre an epic fail asshole toward the nominee and the majority of the partys voters on top of it all, then you cant get any new concessions.
So the hell with him. Id tell him to stay away from the convention, because only real Democrats are allowed. He can be there in 2024 only if he puts a D by his name and campaigns for Biden and down-ticket Democratic candidates until the 2024 convention.
Otherwise, rain on him.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Dem4Life1102
(3,974 posts)and on one of the Sunday shows. Doesn't seem like the media is not covering him.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Bernie is old-news... the primary is over, but his campaign is still in "zombie" mode.
I'm sure he views himself as the equivalent of a beauty pageant's "1st Runner-Up"... who will take over duties (and the crown) in the event that the winner is unable to fulfill her (or his) duties.
Or maybe he views himself as the understudy of a major long-running Broadway play... but the person who has the lead role is someone who NEVER gets sick and NEVER has laryngitis or a headache or a sprained ankle or cramps.
It's kind of sad. Pathetic.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden