Democratic Primaries
Related: About this forumWhoopi Goldberg Spars With Bernie Sanders: 'Why Are You Still in the Race?'
Once they got him back online, the hosts spent the first segment asking the senator how he would handle the coronavirus pandemic if he were president. At one point, Sunny Hostin wondered aloud if he was using the crisis to push his Medicare for All plan.
But things got even spicier during the second segment when Whoopi Goldberg, who has been a fairly clear Joe Biden supporter from the beginning of the 2020 primary, asked Sanders to explain why he hasnt dropped out yet.
I have to ask you this question now because I have been watching to see what you were going to do, and I'm told that you intend to stay in this race for president because you believe there is a path to victory, Goldberg said. I want to know what that path is because this feels a little bit like it did when you didn't come out when Hillary Clinton was clearly the person folks were going for.
As he started to protest, she asked, Can you explain why youre still in the race and what this path is that you see?
That's not quite accurate, Sanders replied. I worked as hard as I could for Hillary Clinton.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/whoopi-goldberg-spars-with-bernie-sanders-on-the-view-why-are-you-still-in-the-race?ref=home
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Eliot Rosewater
(32,537 posts)work on the virus is great, but ...
but...
Fuck...I give up.
If what we are dealing with NOW is NOT ENOUGH to get all of us on board and on one team NOTHING EVER WILL
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
The Magistrate
(96,043 posts)And Sanders flat lied about his 'support' for Mrs. Clinton.
He did not do what he had to do to be an effective campaigner for her in 2016. He needed to apologize. He needed to say he was wrong, that there was no basis whatever for the smears of 'rigged election' and 'corruption' his campaign leveled against Mrs. Clinton. He need to tell his supporters unequivocally to stand down at the convention, and to ask the credentials of those delegates of his who disrupted be revoked, and the disruptors be expelled. He needed, when he made campaign speeches, to speak only of Mrs. Clinton, and what a fine President she would be, rather than simply trim his stump speech with a few compliments, and proceed to boasting aout his 'success' in the primaries and how he was the future of the Party.
'Bernie' of course could not do any of this. He still lives in the 'chicks make coffee and worship radical warriors' mindset he acquired as a young college Marxist. The very idea of 'Bernie' apologizing to a woman, of taking a backseat to a woman, acknowledging a woman beat him fair and square....
"Your attitude is noticed! Oh, yes, it is noticed!"
"From Bernies perspective, dropping out of a race once you have no chance of winning is peculiar behavior that can only be explained by the work of a hidden hand. For most politicians, though, it is actually standard operating procedure. Only Sanders seems to think the normal thing to do once voters have made clear they dont want to nominate you is to continue campaigning anyway."
"When things are not called by their right names, what is said cannot make sense. When what is said does not make sense, what is planned cannot succeed. When plans do not succeed, people become uneasy. When people are uneasy, punishments do not fit crimes. When punishments do not fit crimes, people cannot know where to put hand or foot."
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
sop
(11,478 posts)Alexander Pope was probably thinking of Bernie and his merry band of revolutionary surrogates when he wrote: "Damn with faint praise, assent with civil leer, and, without sneering, teach the rest to sneer. Sanders basically taught his followers how to sneer at the Democratic party.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
The Magistrate
(96,043 posts)An excellent quote. Thank you for sharing it. It summarizes the case perfectly.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)...September 5. That's 39 days before he grudgingly began campaigning.
As you point out, too, he did nothing about his disruptive supporters at the convention. He sat there smugly watching it, not saying a word about it.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
calimary
(84,531 posts)Well, I guess half-assed efforts and waiting til after the convention to step up qualifies as "support."
I forget what the exact numbers were that I saw for after the Democratic convention. But I do remember his efforts constituted about half what he did, campaigning for himself. By the numbers, it worked out to roughly half as many speeches as there were days in each month after the convention. Like - 15 or 16 per month, assuming a month has 30 days. When he was in it for himself, he was making campaign stops on a daily basis. Quite often, MORE than one PER day. Sometimes two or three (or more) campaign stops per day. And he did NOTHING between the end of the primary season to the convention. NOTHING. Hillary could have used the help.
She certainly made it happen after Barack Obama clinched the nomination by the time the primary season ended in 2008. She didn't sit and sulk for half the summer and wait til after the convention was over. She got right on it in JUNE. And she led the New York delegation, being the one to announce its votes to nominate him on the floor of the convention on nomination night.
Some of us don't forget, Bernie. Some of us WON'T EVER forget.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
gibraltar72
(7,629 posts)themselves a Democrat only when it's to their benefit to do so.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Going forward, the DNC needs better and more restrictive rules on who gets to run "as a" Democrat.
Actually, no more of this "as a" Democrat nonsense. The phrase "as a Democrat" clearly means that the comparison is being made with something that is NOT a Democrat. The candidate may be similar to a Democrat, but it's not actually Democrat, and therefore we cannot be assured that the best interests of the Democratic Party will be held in high regard by the "as a" Democrat contender.
I'm even suspicious of the "recently declared" Democrats who switch parties for one reason or another. I feel the same away about those politicians who believe it is in their current and immediate best interests to just-now make a party declaration of being a Democrat.
Therefore, I believe anyone who fancies a shot at becoming the Democratic presidential nominee must be a Democrat for at least ONE FULL election cycle--FOUR YEARS--before they can throw their hat into our ring and seek our party's nomination.
Being an "ally" isn't good enough. Having an 80% voting-with-Democrats record isn't good enough. Promising to "govern as" a Democrat isn't good enough.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
gibraltar72
(7,629 posts)We need one message. Bernie is not a team player.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Dem4Life1102
(3,974 posts)anyone running for the Democratic nomination needs to have run for their last or current office as a Democrat or be a registered Democrat in their home state for the last 5 years.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)No more interlopers or carpetbagger-types. Actually, I think if one bothers to look up the meaning of carpetbagger, it's easy to see that it is indeed something that the Democratic party should seek to avoid.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
comradebillyboy
(10,528 posts)to Whoopi Goldberg in that clip. He starts off trying to shush her and then starts talking over her. Very defensive about 2016. Very rude and hostile. he's not looking good.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
sop
(11,478 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
marble falls
(62,439 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
HarlanPepper
(2,042 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
tishaLA
(14,345 posts)of the junior senator from VT than Andrea Mitchell.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
msongs
(70,249 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Tarheel_Dem
(31,443 posts)good answer.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(155,301 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(305,763 posts)Fred Guttenberg..
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primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden