The columns catch up eventually with the screen....





"From Bernie’s perspective, dropping out of a race once you have no chance of winning is peculiar behavior that can only be explained by the work of a hidden hand. For most politicians, though, it is actually standard operating procedure. Only Sanders seems to think the normal thing to do once voters have made clear they don’t want to nominate you is to continue campaigning anyway."





"When things are not called by their right names, what is said cannot make sense. When what is said does not make sense, what is planned cannot succeed. When plans do not succeed, people become uneasy. When people are uneasy, punishments do not fit crimes. When punishments do not fit crimes, people cannot know where to put hand or foot."

wistfulness, do hope we never try again.

told me he wasn't going to vote for that neoliberal warmonger Hillary, but instead for a "real woman, Jill Stein." This in Wisconsin, where his vote made a real difference in the outcome. Shame on him forever.

Anybody but me think that won’t happen?

Everyone ought to be clear --- 'Bernie' could not rein these people in, even if he wanted to. They are largely his creation, and without them, he is nothing. But 'Bernie' cannot control them, he cannot lead them. He has 'called up that which he cannot put down' and they would turn on 'Bernie' in a flash if he sought to actually negotiate in good faith, and accept terms for agreement to lend support to Mr. Biden in the general election.

In his statements about his 'support' for Mrs. Clinton in 2016, 'Bernie' flat lies.

He did not do what he had to do to be an effective campaigner for her in 2016. He needed to apologize. He needed to say he was wrong, that there was no basis whatever for the smears of 'rigged election' and 'corruption' his campaign leveled against Mrs. Clinton. He needed to tell his supporters unequivocally to stand down at the convention, and to ask the credentials of those delegates of his who disrupted be revoked, and the disruptors be expelled. He needed, when he made campaign speeches, to speak only of Mrs. Clinton, and what a fine President she would be, rather than simply trim his stump speech with a few compliments, and proceed to boasting about his 'success' in the primaries and how he was the future of the Party.

'Bernie' of course could not do any of this. He still lives in the 'chicks make coffee and worship radical warriors' mindset he acquired as a young college Marxist. The very idea of 'Bernie' apologizing to a woman, of taking a backseat to a woman, acknowledging a woman beat him fair and square....


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"From Bernie’s perspective, dropping out of a race once you have no chance of winning is peculiar behavior that can only be explained by the work of a hidden hand. For most politicians, though, it is actually standard operating procedure. Only Sanders seems to think the normal thing to do once voters have made clear they don’t want to nominate you is to continue campaigning anyway."





"When things are not called by their right names, what is said cannot make sense. When what is said does not make sense, what is planned cannot succeed. When plans do not succeed, people become uneasy. When people are uneasy, punishments do not fit crimes. When punishments do not fit crimes, people cannot know where to put hand or foot."

That is his majority.

Polls show approx 15-20% are willing to vote for the democratic nominee, even if it isn’t sanders. Every vote will count

I disagree that he will do what he can. He and his wife released a statement following the nov 16 election that he and his wife had voted, that it was more important they voted than who they voted for. In other words they did not vote for HRC!

Can be expected to do the right thing. And do it without overmuch courting. The risk of 'Bernie' continuing is that each day, more well-meaning supporters may be caught up in the cult. The sooner 'Bernie' packs it in, the smaller the group of fanatics. Who, while they will certainly turn on Sanders (and he will deserve every outlandish smear and slur they will direct at him if he stands down), simply have to be written off. They are not retrievable.

I doubt Sanders really does have much to contribute in his own right. He has never shown any ability to 'work and play well with others' in the Senate or the House. No legislative accomplishments anyone can detect, and people have looked. His specialty seems to be claiming credit for other people's work. A great many people actively dislike him, to it mildly. His involvement in the national campaign would allow the enemy to make some use of the 'Crazy Commie Bernie' line ('Just who does support Biden? Let's look at Crazy Commie Bernie...'), and while it would not have anything like the effect it would if Sanders was on the ticket, it would be of some use, especially with targeted social media messages. Put bluntly, the best thing the man could do for the cause is to sit down and shut up, and do it immediately.





"From Bernie’s perspective, dropping out of a race once you have no chance of winning is peculiar behavior that can only be explained by the work of a hidden hand. For most politicians, though, it is actually standard operating procedure. Only Sanders seems to think the normal thing to do once voters have made clear they don’t want to nominate you is to continue campaigning anyway."





"When things are not called by their right names, what is said cannot make sense. When what is said does not make sense, what is planned cannot succeed. When plans do not succeed, people become uneasy. When people are uneasy, punishments do not fit crimes. When punishments do not fit crimes, people cannot know where to put hand or foot."

As I stated, (you as well) I understand his cult is not reachable. The kind of fringe groups that sanders attracted are always out there, just more visible due to social media.

I’m sure thou the 12- 20% that will eventually vote for the nominee would like to hear from their original candidate of choice... that he’s giving a vote for Biden his “blessing.”

don’t think me argumentative..it’s not my nature

My understanding of the data is that something between 80% and 90% of people willing to vote for Sanders in the primary can be relied on in November to vote for Mr. Biden in the general election, and that it is only a small proportion of people marking ballots for 'Bernie' whom we must, with regret of course, write off and consign to the perdition awaiting those who assist the cheap thug Trump and his crew, whether directly or indirectly. These 'dead-enders' cannot be reached, and Sanders' good-hearted supporters are already on on the right side of things, and will not really need much courting....

Will not vote for the eventual nominee

https://www.newsweek.com/bernie-sanders-poll-warren-biden-2020-nominee-emerson-college-1483831

This poll is from January and I hope the number has softened. It’s a particularly hard thing to quantify since only 6% of voters 18-29, (sanders base) bothered to vote on ST and only 7% on ST2.

My concern, sanders campaign rallies got the most rousing cries when he told the crowd he would “take on the democratic establishment” as if we were the enemy...always working to turn young voters against the Democratic Party.

I cannot put into words how much that makes me despise him

Have a good evening, stay safe and stay well!

'Protest votes' generally dwindle as election day nears. In 2016, roughly a quarter of Sanders' voters did not vote for Mrs. Clinton. Sanders has less support in 2020. Given the reduction in turnout for him among groups which do favor him, and the loss to him of demographics in which many votes were cast for him as votes against Mrs. Clinton rather than as votes for Sanders, he may be taken to have less intense support this year as well.





"From Bernie’s perspective, dropping out of a race once you have no chance of winning is peculiar behavior that can only be explained by the work of a hidden hand. For most politicians, though, it is actually standard operating procedure. Only Sanders seems to think the normal thing to do once voters have made clear they don’t want to nominate you is to continue campaigning anyway."





"When things are not called by their right names, what is said cannot make sense. When what is said does not make sense, what is planned cannot succeed. When plans do not succeed, people become uneasy. When people are uneasy, punishments do not fit crimes. When punishments do not fit crimes, people cannot know where to put hand or foot."

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I repeat that a serious apology was needed, and was not forthcoming.

The man has no class, no class at all.

Normally going to a national convention is a once in a life time experience. I have worked really hard inside the party on campaigns and voter protection issues for a very long time to earn this trip. Too bad that sanders and his vetted delegates ruined that experience and did their best to help trump. A candidate has absolute approval rights over their pledged delegates because these delegates can change their votes and these delegates represent the candidate and campaign. I helped vet Clinton delegates and I know that I was vetted. The Clinton campaign told us that we represent her and that our actions would reflect on her and her campaign.

In contrast, sanders sent one very weak text the Sunday night before the convention and then did little or nothing to control his delegates. It was nasty I was there when the sanders delegates booed Congressman John Lewis. I was warned about this stunt 30 minutes before it happened by the Clinton campaign whip. According to my whip, sanders was asked to stop this event and declined. There were some pissed off members of the Georgia delegation (Texas and Georgia shared a bus to the convention site).

I was at the Texas delegation breakfast when a group of sanders delegates marched in and demanded that we condemn Clinton and change our votes to sanders.

I wonder if they will have state conventions this year? Do you know how that would work?

I have seen some of the concepts discussed

Probably not as fun but it doesn't sound like they are fun when Bernie is involved.

I did a calculation recently after reading a WaPo article that said Bernie would need to win 60% of the remaining delegates to have a path. He doesn’t have a path even then. If Biden wins only 40%, a highly unlikely result, he would still go to the convention only a few votes short of 1,991. Bernie would still be further behind Biden in delegate count, but neither would have the number needed. The first vote could give the nomination to Biden IF the other candidates vote their delegates for Biden on that round, including Elizabeth Warren. If they wait for the second round, the superdelegates can vote. Given that they are the Democratic “establishment” that Bernie and his supporters have bashed for months, few of them will vote for him and Biden becomes the nominee on the second vote.

In order to have a path to the nomination, Bernie needs 70-80% of remaining votes. That will not happen. He needs to drop out now and try to bring his supporters around to working with and voting for Biden. Anything else runs a big risk if Trump winning.

Yaesu posted: "must be a slow news day or people are extremely bored."

He was on the teevee today blathering at Andrea Mitchell (another ugh) and I just wanted them both to fuck off.

The point is- people who voted for Trump in 2016 are now Bernie supporters.

How many Trump supporters is Biden able to bring in to vote for him?

A goodly number of people who voted for 'Bernie' in 2016 had no intention of voting for him in the general election. As an example, some 40% of those who voted for Sanders' in the West Virginia primary told exit pollsters they would vote for Trump even if Sanders got the nomination.

The energy in this election comes from middle of the road types grown disgusted by the cheap thug, and the passion of rank and file Democrats who hate the cheap thug like poison. Anything much by way of concession to 'Bernie' will repel the former group and enrage the latter group.

'Bernie' is a dead weight, and a dead loss, no matter how you look at him this year.





"From Bernie’s perspective, dropping out of a race once you have no chance of winning is peculiar behavior that can only be explained by the work of a hidden hand. For most politicians, though, it is actually standard operating procedure. Only Sanders seems to think the normal thing to do once voters have made clear they don’t want to nominate you is to continue campaigning anyway."





"When things are not called by their right names, what is said cannot make sense. When what is said does not make sense, what is planned cannot succeed. When plans do not succeed, people become uneasy. When people are uneasy, punishments do not fit crimes. When punishments do not fit crimes, people cannot know where to put hand or foot."

Operation Chaos was active in the early states including South Carolina

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If we must have primaries, they ought to be closed, with only registered Democrats casting ballots.





"From Bernie’s perspective, dropping out of a race once you have no chance of winning is peculiar behavior that can only be explained by the work of a hidden hand. For most politicians, though, it is actually standard operating procedure. Only Sanders seems to think the normal thing to do once voters have made clear they don’t want to nominate you is to continue campaigning anyway."




"When things are not called by their right names, what is said cannot make sense. When what is said does not make sense, what is planned cannot succeed. When plans do not succeed, people become uneasy. When people are uneasy, punishments do not fit crimes. When punishments do not fit crimes, people cannot know where to put hand or foot."

Bernie is not going to win the nomination. Also a reality, we living, rational beings need as much help as we can get to defeat our current disaster in chief. If we cannot come together to defeat a common threat, I have no hope for the future of this country or the inhabitants of it.

At this point, the goal is to defeat the threat to our way of life and to our very lives.

Do Bernie Sanders supporters really want DJT in a second term as POTUS? Do they think they have some magical power to survive such a term?

I am opposed to such irrational thinking. I will do everything in my power to make sure we have a Democrat in the white house come next January.

Bernie supporters will suffer just as much as everyone else if the orange abomination wins reelection. Perhaps they do not care?

Ever since 2016. People who didn't vote for Clinton when she got the nomination betrayed Sanders and the same goes for this election's nominee.

However, I do suspect those of his supporters who in 2016 did not vote for Mr. Clinton did exactly what Sanders wanted them to do.





"From Bernie’s perspective, dropping out of a race once you have no chance of winning is peculiar behavior that can only be explained by the work of a hidden hand. For most politicians, though, it is actually standard operating procedure. Only Sanders seems to think the normal thing to do once voters have made clear they don’t want to nominate you is to continue campaigning anyway."




"When things are not called by their right names, what is said cannot make sense. When what is said does not make sense, what is planned cannot succeed. When plans do not succeed, people become uneasy. When people are uneasy, punishments do not fit crimes. When punishments do not fit crimes, people cannot know where to put hand or foot."

Why do you think annoying Sanders supporters is going to being them into the fold in the fall?


If you end the process early, no matter the odds, they are going to have a legitimate gripe that it wasn't fair.

Please refrain from the hand-wringing and let the process work as it was designed. Joe Biden is not the weak candidate you seem to think he is.

This is an excellent post. It is time to stop the bashing of the Sanders supporters. I have been supporting Sanders because I want Universal Government Healthcare like they have in Europe. My daughter is an MD MPH now battling Coronavirus and her health is at risk because we do not have universal health care and we do not have an adequate public health system. She has been practicing medicine for some time now with one hand tied behind her back because congress is in the back pocket of the insurance “industry”. Sanders is offering the best health care system and wow do we ever need it now!

In the real world, no one in congress is going to be paying attention to sanders unless and until sanders is able to generate his magical voter revolution in the real world. I admit that I never considered sanders to be a serious candidate and never understood sanders appeal. sanders has no significant legislative accomplishments in his time in Congress in large part because sanders never bothered to attempt to get his fellow members of congress to support his programs. In the real world, it takes hard work and getting along with people to get major legislation passed. I was not surprised with sanders admitted that he does not try to get along with his fellow members of congress and that he was not good at pleasantries

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The math is against sanders in the real world

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So why be afraid of the process? Why not let it play out? Why harm the chances at unity?

People are aware that 'Bernie' is doing what he can to knee-cap the nominee of the Democratic Party for President. It is something the effort to turf out the cheap thug Trump can do without. At his point, his sole reason for remaining in the contest is to do harm to the 'Democratic Establishment', which he views as the chief obstacle to the success of progressive policies. For 'Bernie', opposing the christo-fascist reactionary right is an afterthought. He does not even really feel it can done, or at least done right, until the 'Democratic Establishment' is overthrown.


"This pretense of not knowing what any fool knows has become predominant in our political discourse."





"From Bernie’s perspective, dropping out of a race once you have no chance of winning is peculiar behavior that can only be explained by the work of a hidden hand. For most politicians, though, it is actually standard operating procedure. Only Sanders seems to think the normal thing to do once voters have made clear they don’t want to nominate you is to continue campaigning anyway."





"When things are not called by their right names, what is said cannot make sense. When what is said does not make sense, what is planned cannot succeed. When plans do not succeed, people become uneasy. When people are uneasy, punishments do not fit crimes. When punishments do not fit crimes, people cannot know where to put hand or foot."

At least have faith in the process.

And there is no doybt whatever that you know it is.

Your comment boils down to saying 'Mr. Biden must fight against two, while his general election opponent may fight against only one." That is a nonsensical position to maintain, and no one with the slightest experience of fighting would attempt to do so. It is one thing to accept a risk which cannot be avoided, or to undertake a risk which, run with successful, will bring a great benefit. It is quite another to have a risk imposed unnecessarily on you, to no good reason. Only a fool would not seek to head that off. What is at stake is too important to risk any possible hazard that could be avoided. In this case the hazard is Sanders' demonstrated intention to damage the Democratic Party, in the contest with this cheap thug Trump.

Sanders divides an effort that cannot afford to be split. Continued support for him, even by people who may agree with his stated goals, aggravates that split, and does so to a greater degree the longer it keeps him in countenance to continue.

It is a grim hope but a real one that the terrible mismanagement by the cheap thug Trump in this crisis will move the country to a sound rejection of him, but the degree to which he has successfully appealed to the basest impulses of his base supporters presents a danger to our prospects of evicting the wretch from office. It is an elementary axiom of strategy that effort must be concentrated on the decisive point, and not dispersed among several points. Again, this is not something you should need explanation of, but evidently you do. If Mr. Biden and the Democratic Party must continue to contend against both Sanders and the cheap thug Trump at the same time, they must violate this basic principle, and the effectiveness of the chief effort, against the cheap thug Trump, will necessarily be reduced below the best level that could be achieved.

This forced reduction in concentration of effort, to the detriment of efforts against the cheap thug, is employed by Sanders in an attempt to blackmail the Democratic Party, into making concessions to him. Concessions he has not the votes to warrant. That the concessions are largely meaningless does not lessen the damage giving in to Sanders will produce. Knuckling under to Sanders' blackmail will give onlookers the impression Mr. Biden and our Party are weak, and the last thing a candidate for high office can afford is to leave an impression of weakness. People value strength and rally to it, this is a basic truth of politics in a democracy. Meaningful concessions to Sanders would have an even worse effect, because a good portion of the voters we must count on are repelled by Sanders and do not want him or his proposals to be those of our Party. These far outnumber the comparatively small numbers, as a portion of the national electorate, which giving in to Sanders might gather in. Might is used advisedly, because there is no certainty Sanders has either the capability, or the desire to bring his followers into the fold. He has often said he is not, and never has been a liberal Democrat, and has for years taken the 'Democratic Establishment' as his chief enemy.





"From Bernie’s perspective, dropping out of a race once you have no chance of winning is peculiar behavior that can only be explained by the work of a hidden hand. For most politicians, though, it is actually standard operating procedure. Only Sanders seems to think the normal thing to do once voters have made clear they don’t want to nominate you is to continue campaigning anyway."





"When things are not called by their right names, what is said cannot make sense. When what is said does not make sense, what is planned cannot succeed. When plans do not succeed, people become uneasy. When people are uneasy, punishments do not fit crimes. When punishments do not fit crimes, people cannot know where to put hand or foot."

Telling people to fuck-off is stupid in my opinion; but then we'll have people to blame for four years if we lose.

Who needs Russians to divide the left? A wide swath of DU posters are here to do it for them.

If you want the left united, do what you can to rein in the splinterist wrecker. Do not waste your time coming to me with 'concern' over how the process must play out. That is nonesense, and I do suspect you know it.





"From Bernie’s perspective, dropping out of a race once you have no chance of winning is peculiar behavior that can only be explained by the work of a hidden hand. For most politicians, though, it is actually standard operating procedure. Only Sanders seems to think the normal thing to do once voters have made clear they don’t want to nominate you is to continue campaigning anyway."





"When things are not called by their right names, what is said cannot make sense. When what is said does not make sense, what is planned cannot succeed. When plans do not succeed, people become uneasy. When people are uneasy, punishments do not fit crimes. When punishments do not fit crimes, people cannot know where to put hand or foot."

You need to stop doing that. It dooms the party when it is divided.

So long as they take the Democratic Party as their chief opponent, they separate themselves from the real stream of political life in our country. The choice is theirs. The left tail of the political bell curve has adopted a futile strategy. They seek to gain influence by demonstrating they cannot be relied on, thinking that in defeat, the Party will turn to them. That is not how it works. Blocs that cannot be relied have no influence, only blocs which can be relied on do, and to make up any deficit, the Party must move to the center for more votes. The strategy is counterproductive, yet for reasons beyond rational analysis, people persist in it. One suspects 'born to lose' is a tattoo with wider application than old biker gangs and such....





"From Bernie’s perspective, dropping out of a race once you have no chance of winning is peculiar behavior that can only be explained by the work of a hidden hand. For most politicians, though, it is actually standard operating procedure. Only Sanders seems to think the normal thing to do once voters have made clear they don’t want to nominate you is to continue campaigning anyway."





"When things are not called by their right names, what is said cannot make sense. When what is said does not make sense, what is planned cannot succeed. When plans do not succeed, people become uneasy. When people are uneasy, punishments do not fit crimes. When punishments do not fit crimes, people cannot know where to put hand or foot."

Well said.

Joe should not appease sanders only to have sanders and his delegate act up and boo John Lewis and other real democrats again. sanders delegate caused a mini-riot in a planned stunt at the Texas Delegation breakfast and the next day sanders addressed the Texas delegation and only talked about himself.

What I am asking for, repeatedly, is to let the fucking process play out like it has in virtually every previous year. Instead of treating Sanders and his supporters like pariahs, and giving them ever piece of evidence to make their claims true, it would instead be better to reach out a hand of friendship, treat them with respect, and have them gleefully willing to support us in the fall.

But no! We can't be civil. We can't come up with reasons why Sanders supporters might vote for Biden. That's crazy talk at DU. We must instead condemn them, punish them, stereotype them, pretend that they are what's wrong with the world. Drive them from the site. Drive them from voting at all. Scapegoat them later. That's the current DU style.

I think we should be welcoming and ask for their vote. I don't know why that is difficult concept to understand. I don't know why that is a difficult concept to agree on. I have no idea why it continuously morphs into things I never asserted.

Or if you prefer the tl;dr edition:

1> Don't put words in my mouth.
2> Be kind to one another.

That is how the process works. The Obama/Clinton campaign was far closer and as I have listed Hillary Clinton is a real Democrat who concede and endorsed President Obama within 4 days. Clinton actually campaigned for President Obama and talked about President Obama at events. sanders gave his stump speech while selling his latest book

sanders and his surrogates are attacking the presumptive nominee which only helps trump and Putin. I saw how sanders and his delegates acted at the last convention. I guess that to get their vote we need to accept stunts like John Lewis being booed?

Just take a deep fucking breath. Let it play out. He's going to be an insignificant player in this if you just let the decades old process work as the decades old process work like it has for the last few decades and stop the endless moaning. The endless DU anti-Sanders tizzy is off-putting and I don't even fucking Support Sanders.

Why is it so difficult to come up with positive things to post about Biden? Why not build bridges instead of burning them? Why is driving of left-leaning voters a good idea? Why persist in such a strategy?

but apparently that is not enough for Bernie and you.

Anti-Trump isn't Pro-Biden.
Anti-Sanders isn't Pro-Biden

The only thing that is Pro-Biden is Pro-Biden. I submit there is a long list of reasons to vote for Biden that do not involve the words Trump or GOP.

One good way to defeat Trump is to have the votes in November. One way not to get them is by making them enemies, dismissing their anger, or dismissing them.

If you want to continue this, please start it off the main thread. A user insisted I block him after I told him I was considering doing so. Because of that hide, I cannot see the sub-thread where this post is ending up.

One grows tired of civics text platitudes about a positive reason being required of candidates (and turned generally only upon Democratic Party candidates).

Hatred is a powerful motivator, and little works as well for fusing people into a united bloc. Overthrow of a hated and dangerous enemy is a positive good, it is something to be for....





"From Bernie’s perspective, dropping out of a race once you have no chance of winning is peculiar behavior that can only be explained by the work of a hidden hand. For most politicians, though, it is actually standard operating procedure. Only Sanders seems to think the normal thing to do once voters have made clear they don’t want to nominate you is to continue campaigning anyway."





"When things are not called by their right names, what is said cannot make sense. When what is said does not make sense, what is planned cannot succeed. When plans do not succeed, people become uneasy. When people are uneasy, punishments do not fit crimes. When punishments do not fit crimes, people cannot know where to put hand or foot."

Why is it so hard to ask people to post Pro-Biden stuff that compels people to vote for Biden rather than the scorched-earth divide-the-party-better-than-Putin-could-dream-of approach embraced by so many here.

Look at the DU numbers. Biden is basically a lock for the candidacy and has 38% of the DU vote. Rather than constantly attacking the 14% of fellow DUers that Support Sanders, perhaps at least concentrating on the 48% undecideds is a good idea.

The fact that I have about 100 posts this week asking people to take a civil and welcoming approach and receiving endless arguments against such an approach makes me wonder after 19 years of membership if this site is worth being a part of anymore.

After answering that, please give an example of someone you would not want voting for Biden.

No that you bring up bullying, I feel bullied by the people here that take offense with my pleas for civility. I had to hide someone--a Biden supporter. That's like 4 people since 2001.

If you want to dismiss them, punish them, whatever, OK. But then not one goddamned word when they don't vote for Biden in the fall. you can't have it both ways.

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Why short circuit a process in a way that will only piss off people we need in the fall? Why blow the opportunity?

Be a sore winner. Feel good about it.

Thankfully, Biden is far more politically astute than you.

That does not mean anyone else is doing so, so you might want to drop the 'too' from your effort above, to bring it into line with reality.





"From Bernie’s perspective, dropping out of a race once you have no chance of winning is peculiar behavior that can only be explained by the work of a hidden hand. For most politicians, though, it is actually standard operating procedure. Only Sanders seems to think the normal thing to do once voters have made clear they don’t want to nominate you is to continue campaigning anyway."





"When things are not called by their right names, what is said cannot make sense. When what is said does not make sense, what is planned cannot succeed. When plans do not succeed, people become uneasy. When people are uneasy, punishments do not fit crimes. When punishments do not fit crimes, people cannot know where to put hand or foot."

Whatever. It doesn't matter.

You want to give ammunition to people that call the process unfair. Have at it. Then you can blame the people you drove off if we lose 2020.

Have a party.

Only Sanders receiving the nomination would convince them the primary is not rigged against Sanders. And Sanders is not going to be the nominee.

The energy in this election comes from middle of the road types grown disgusted with this cheap thug Trump, and the passion to defeat this cheap thug Trump among rank and file Democrats, who hate the creature like poison. Attempts t placate 'Bernie' and his cult will repel the former and enrage the latter. People on the leftmost tail of the political spectrum ar going to have decide whether they want to oppose the cristo-fascist right, or surrender any chance of progress in a left direction for a generation. If they choose not to join in struggle, any harm coming from that decision is theirs alone.


"Now that is cool. a highwayman puts a pistol to my head and says give me your money, or I shall have to shoot you, and you will become a murderer."





"From Bernie’s perspective, dropping out of a race once you have no chance of winning is peculiar behavior that can only be explained by the work of a hidden hand. For most politicians, though, it is actually standard operating procedure. Only Sanders seems to think the normal thing to do once voters have made clear they don’t want to nominate you is to continue campaigning anyway."





"When things are not called by their right names, what is said cannot make sense. When what is said does not make sense, what is planned cannot succeed. When plans do not succeed, people become uneasy. When people are uneasy, punishments do not fit crimes. When punishments do not fit crimes, people cannot know where to put hand or foot."

Why does Democracy bother you so? Why can't the process play out? Why can't people have the dignity to vote?

Again, thank God Biden is better at this than you.

You may have noticed people possess an extraordinary capacity to believe what want to be true is true. People who enjoy seeing themselves as a beleaguered and persecuted minority, possessed of a superior insight and understanding lesser mortal cannot fully appreciate, will manage to conduct their affairs in such a way they can see that view of themselves reflected back at them in the world around them. It is how they want to feel, what makes them feel good, and outside of themselves there is no help for it. The old tattoo tag 'Born to Lose' is appropriate for a much wider circle than old biker gangs and such....





"From Bernie’s perspective, dropping out of a race once you have no chance of winning is peculiar behavior that can only be explained by the work of a hidden hand. For most politicians, though, it is actually standard operating procedure. Only Sanders seems to think the normal thing to do once voters have made clear they don’t want to nominate you is to continue campaigning anyway."





"When things are not called by their right names, what is said cannot make sense. When what is said does not make sense, what is planned cannot succeed. When plans do not succeed, people become uneasy. When people are uneasy, punishments do not fit crimes. When punishments do not fit crimes, people cannot know where to put hand or foot."

The only obvious outcome of doing so is division and calls of unfairness.

Still you persisted.


You want to make people hate Biden supporters, you do you. Please don;t make them hate Biden, too.

You were getting to be awfully boring, but coming into place with the same lame nonesense you kept up all night right at the crack o' dawn does restore some small element of interest.

You should find some new chant, though. Really. Try not to go through the whole new day with the same cant.



"Who has no enemies has no friends."





"From Bernie’s perspective, dropping out of a race once you have no chance of winning is peculiar behavior that can only be explained by the work of a hidden hand. For most politicians, though, it is actually standard operating procedure. Only Sanders seems to think the normal thing to do once voters have made clear they don’t want to nominate you is to continue campaigning anyway."





"When things are not called by their right names, what is said cannot make sense. When what is said does not make sense, what is planned cannot succeed. When plans do not succeed, people become uneasy. When people are uneasy, punishments do not fit crimes. When punishments do not fit crimes, people cannot know where to put hand or foot."

Making this place miserable for others does the admins no good.

If you are made miserable by disagreement with your views, that is your privilege, but it is not binding on anyone else, and really cannot be expected in a public forum.

Your whole dismissal of entire groups of people lacks civility. Beyond that you are condescending attitude is unwarranted.

I am not made miserable by disagreement. I am made miserable by people who are unwelcoming.

And assure you that what people think of me is none of my damn business.

Again, better to stick by a good intention publicly announced. Your ignoring me will not trouble me at all, in fact I doubt I would even notice you had....





"From Bernie’s perspective, dropping out of a race once you have no chance of winning is peculiar behavior that can only be explained by the work of a hidden hand. For most politicians, though, it is actually standard operating procedure. Only Sanders seems to think the normal thing to do once voters have made clear they don’t want to nominate you is to continue campaigning anyway."





"When things are not called by their right names, what is said cannot make sense. When what is said does not make sense, what is planned cannot succeed. When plans do not succeed, people become uneasy. When people are uneasy, punishments do not fit crimes. When punishments do not fit crimes, people cannot know where to put hand or foot."