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Uncle Joe

(60,257 posts)
Sat Apr 4, 2020, 07:51 PM Apr 2020

BERNIE SANDERS WARNS TOTAL ECONOMIC COLLAPSE WILL BE MORE EXPENSIVE



THAN PAYING WORKERS, REDUCING HEALTH CARE COSTS AMID CORONAVIRUS

Sanders, speaking remotely on Friday night's Real Time with Bill Maher on HBO, said American workers laid off or furloughed as a result of the coronavirus lockdown should "continue to receive 100 percent of your paycheck." The Vermont senator said he and other members of Congress are currently putting together an "unprecedented piece of legislation" to save the U.S. from total economic and social collapse.

(snip)

"What does that mean? From an economic point of view, it means we tell every worker in America: 'You will continue to get your paycheck. We know you're not working, we know you're at home, we know the business that you're working for is not functioning, but ... you will continue to receive 100 percent of your paycheck,'" Sanders continued, listing off how several European countries are already paying their citizens in self-quarantine.



The senator also said it's ridiculous Americans can get government paid-for coronavirus tests -- but not treatment.

https://www.newsweek.com/bernie-sanders-warns-total-economic-collapse-will-more-expensive-paying-workers-reducing-health-1496116


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BERNIE SANDERS WARNS TOTAL ECONOMIC COLLAPSE WILL BE MORE EXPENSIVE (Original Post) Uncle Joe Apr 2020 OP
I agree as soon as we can make Trump stop killing us we should talk about it. gibraltar72 Apr 2020 #1
I watched Maher and just about everything Sanders said is already being done or Hoyt Apr 2020 #2
Nope. He's an idea man, not a do'er. He didn't even hint at the how of his ideas, either. ancianita Apr 2020 #6
Bernie, they don't face the costs of commuting bucolic_frolic Apr 2020 #3
Yup.My gasoline usage has dropped from $200 monthly to $50. nt oasis Apr 2020 #21
Was this before or after his staffer called Biden a rapist? LizBeth Apr 2020 #4
This Has Been Another Episode Of Lame Comments From No One In Particular, Sir The Magistrate Apr 2020 #5
I commend you on your way with words Cozmo Apr 2020 #7
I Was At The Stove When This Popped Up, Sir The Magistrate Apr 2020 #8
Of course it will. Bernie's problem is he has no workable plans or solutions... TreasonousBastard Apr 2020 #9
On what does he base this economic analysis? What's his economic experience? George II Apr 2020 #10
Hmmmm, got pretty quiet here. Eh? George II Apr 2020 #13
How is sanders magical voter revolution doing in the real world? Gothmog Apr 2020 #11
Back In 2016, Sir, He Had An Interview With One Of The New York Papers The Magistrate Apr 2020 #15
That interview was a diasaster Gothmog Apr 2020 #17
Thank You, Sir The Magistrate Apr 2020 #18
I remember reading that interview back in 2016 Gothmog Apr 2020 #19
Prior To That Campaign, Sir The Magistrate Apr 2020 #20
Thanks Captain Obvious relayerbob Apr 2020 #12
When is Bernie going to warn la-trucker Apr 2020 #14
Again with "mobilizing the American people" as an answer. betsuni Apr 2020 #16
 

gibraltar72

(7,629 posts)
1. I agree as soon as we can make Trump stop killing us we should talk about it.
Sat Apr 4, 2020, 07:54 PM
Apr 2020
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Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
2. I watched Maher and just about everything Sanders said is already being done or
Sat Apr 4, 2020, 07:55 PM
Apr 2020

close to it. He really didn’t offer much new or helpful.

He looked and sounded good, though and even displayed a sense of humor you don’t see when he’s waving his arms around and yelling at the sky.

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ancianita

(38,833 posts)
6. Nope. He's an idea man, not a do'er. He didn't even hint at the how of his ideas, either.
Sat Apr 4, 2020, 08:08 PM
Apr 2020

He just doesn't engender much trust.

He didn't do much with the messaging platform Maher gave him.

I wasn't impressed.

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bucolic_frolic

(47,436 posts)
3. Bernie, they don't face the costs of commuting
Sat Apr 4, 2020, 07:56 PM
Apr 2020

So I'm not seeing this as 100% recompense. Maybe 80-85%.

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oasis

(51,749 posts)
21. Yup.My gasoline usage has dropped from $200 monthly to $50. nt
Sun Apr 5, 2020, 12:56 PM
Apr 2020
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LizBeth

(10,884 posts)
4. Was this before or after his staffer called Biden a rapist?
Sat Apr 4, 2020, 07:57 PM
Apr 2020
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The Magistrate

(96,043 posts)
5. This Has Been Another Episode Of Lame Comments From No One In Particular, Sir
Sat Apr 4, 2020, 08:08 PM
Apr 2020
"From Bernie’s perspective, dropping out of a race once you have no chance of winning is peculiar behavior that can only be explained by the work of a hidden hand. For most politicians, though, it is actually standard operating procedure. Only Sanders seems to think the normal thing to do once voters have made clear they don’t want to nominate you is to continue campaigning anyway."





"When things are not called by their right names, what is said cannot make sense. When what is said does not make sense, what is planned cannot succeed. When plans do not succeed, people become uneasy. When people are uneasy, punishments do not fit crimes. When punishments do not fit crimes, people cannot know where to put hand or foot."
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Cozmo

(1,402 posts)
7. I commend you on your way with words
Sat Apr 4, 2020, 08:11 PM
Apr 2020

I would have said, SHUT UP BERNIE, YOU'RE SO INSIGNIFICANT

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The Magistrate

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8. I Was At The Stove When This Popped Up, Sir
Sat Apr 4, 2020, 08:16 PM
Apr 2020

For a while, I had a streak of getting in the first post on these little press releases....





"From Bernie’s perspective, dropping out of a race once you have no chance of winning is peculiar behavior that can only be explained by the work of a hidden hand. For most politicians, though, it is actually standard operating procedure. Only Sanders seems to think the normal thing to do once voters have made clear they don’t want to nominate you is to continue campaigning anyway."





"When things are not called by their right names, what is said cannot make sense. When what is said does not make sense, what is planned cannot succeed. When plans do not succeed, people become uneasy. When people are uneasy, punishments do not fit crimes. When punishments do not fit crimes, people cannot know where to put hand or foot."

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TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)
9. Of course it will. Bernie's problem is he has no workable plans or solutions...
Sat Apr 4, 2020, 08:19 PM
Apr 2020

When I had the driving school, I didn't just tell you about how you could crash and die. I actually taught you ways to not crash and die.

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George II

(67,782 posts)
10. On what does he base this economic analysis? What's his economic experience?
Sat Apr 4, 2020, 08:26 PM
Apr 2020
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George II

(67,782 posts)
13. Hmmmm, got pretty quiet here. Eh?
Sat Apr 4, 2020, 09:35 PM
Apr 2020
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Gothmog

(155,301 posts)
11. How is sanders magical voter revolution doing in the real world?
Sat Apr 4, 2020, 08:42 PM
Apr 2020

In the real world, no one in congress is going to be paying attention to sanders unless and until sanders is able to generate his magical voter revolution in the real world. I admit that I never considered sanders to be a serious candidate and never understood sanders appeal. sanders has no significant legislative accomplishments in his time in Congress in large part because sanders never bothered to attempt to get his fellow members of congress to support his programs. In the real world, it takes hard work and getting along with people to get major legislation passed. I was not surprised with sanders admitted that he does not try to get along with his fellow members of congress and that he was not good at pleasantries



I agree with the NYT description of their decision not to endorse sanders in that sanders is too inflexible and that he is not able to compromise. Compromise is key to getting legislation adopted in the real world


I admit that i do not understand sanders magical voter revolution that sanders claims will enable him to get his agenda adopted. I do not believe in magic and I have seen no evidence that sanders has a magical voter revolution.

Here is on one more question


Merely announcing a proposal is meaningless in the real world One needs votes to get a major piece of legislation adopted and sanders has not shown that he can do this in the real world

How is sanders going to get anyone in Congress to pay attention to this proposal without his magical voter revolution?

I like the real world and in the real world magic does not work. I doubt that the real world is taking sanders all that seriously
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The Magistrate

(96,043 posts)
15. Back In 2016, Sir, He Had An Interview With One Of The New York Papers
Sat Apr 4, 2020, 10:31 PM
Apr 2020

Shortly before their primary.

I read the transcript of it. They asked him what he would do about the big banks, and once he had said 'break them up' it was obvious he hadn't the slightest idea of how to do it, or really, even why it was a good idea. It was his signature issue, something he'd talked about for years, and he sounded like some young fella trying to bullshit his way through an oral for a course where he'd skipped all the lectures and done maybe a quarter of the reading.

It was pitiful. You could see even the reporters asking questions felt sorry for the old fella....





"From Bernie’s perspective, dropping out of a race once you have no chance of winning is peculiar behavior that can only be explained by the work of a hidden hand. For most politicians, though, it is actually standard operating procedure. Only Sanders seems to think the normal thing to do once voters have made clear they don’t want to nominate you is to continue campaigning anyway."





"When things are not called by their right names, what is said cannot make sense. When what is said does not make sense, what is planned cannot succeed. When plans do not succeed, people become uneasy. When people are uneasy, punishments do not fit crimes. When punishments do not fit crimes, people cannot know where to put hand or foot."

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Gothmog

(155,301 posts)
17. That interview was a diasaster
Sun Apr 5, 2020, 11:46 AM
Apr 2020
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The Magistrate

(96,043 posts)
18. Thank You, Sir
Sun Apr 5, 2020, 11:58 AM
Apr 2020

I appreciate the link to relevant materials.

And agree 'this is what happens when the dog catches the car'....

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Gothmog

(155,301 posts)
19. I remember reading that interview back in 2016
Sun Apr 5, 2020, 12:44 PM
Apr 2020

I was shocked at how unprepared sanders was to answer what I considered to be easy questions.

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The Magistrate

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20. Prior To That Campaign, Sir
Sun Apr 5, 2020, 12:55 PM
Apr 2020

My only exposure to the fellow had been a few friendly interviews conducted by Ms. Maddow. He said things that, as a man on the left end of things, I enjoyed hearing. On closer examination as the campaign began, he lost all charm very quickly. In my 'adventurous youth' I had no patience with campus Marxists, and have even less for them now.







"From Bernie’s perspective, dropping out of a race once you have no chance of winning is peculiar behavior that can only be explained by the work of a hidden hand. For most politicians, though, it is actually standard operating procedure. Only Sanders seems to think the normal thing to do once voters have made clear they don’t want to nominate you is to continue campaigning anyway."





"When things are not called by their right names, what is said cannot make sense. When what is said does not make sense, what is planned cannot succeed. When plans do not succeed, people become uneasy. When people are uneasy, punishments do not fit crimes. When punishments do not fit crimes, people cannot know where to put hand or foot."

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

relayerbob

(7,065 posts)
12. Thanks Captain Obvious
Sat Apr 4, 2020, 09:29 PM
Apr 2020

Can you join the team and help fix the problems? Or is showing up on TV more important to you that the American people?

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la-trucker

(283 posts)
14. When is Bernie going to warn
Sat Apr 4, 2020, 09:35 PM
Apr 2020

that ice is cold and salt is salty?

Bernie expressing common knowledge and/or common sense is not some big news.

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betsuni

(27,285 posts)
16. Again with "mobilizing the American people" as an answer.
Sat Apr 4, 2020, 11:09 PM
Apr 2020
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