Democratic Primaries
Related: About this forumSen Sanders never had the voters to win the election in the first place.
According to many polls , articles etc.. anywhere from 15 to 20% of Sanders possible voters will not vote for anyone but Sanders.. they will vote for Trump for example.
That should quickly become obvious that a fifth of the Sanders supporters are either republicans messing with our party or other countries playing in our politics.
There was never a day Sen Sanders would ever be President. Because if a fifth of his supporters cannot find enough ground for any other Democrat.. (and let me tell you, they tried to destroy Sen Warren who is philosophically in their supposed wheelhouses..) so that fifth of the voters are cuckoos laying their eggs in the Democratic nest.
Four fifths of that 30%( who Sen Sanders identified as his base to get him elected) are honest to God MFA supporters who took him at his word, and were betrayed.
I would have been much more sympathetic to the Sanders campaign if he had not rehired so many whose whole purpose was to destroy the Democratic Party.. It was never about principal for that group in the end. They betrayed four fifths of Sanders people who have worked for him. Because their personal politics are more important than moving the country along.
Sen Sanders the time is past. Push those cuckoos out of YOUR nest and stand with the Democrats who have supported you through the years..
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
MineralMan
(147,572 posts)either, in any case. His election was never their goal. So I believe, based on past performance.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Peacetrain
(23,626 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(154,423 posts)I have never taken sanders seriously as a candidate due to sanders complete and utter lack of legislative accomplishments. sanders has not been able to get his fellow Democratic members of Congress to back his agenda and that is not going to change. As I understand it, sanders is now relying on a magical voter revolution to convince republicans to be reasonable. sanders has no magical voter revolution or movement backing him up. sanders has a cap of around 30% of the Democratic voters and that does not constitute a movement or revolution
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With this faulty premise, the medias coverage has been at times wildly off-kilter. It was easy for anyone caring to look closely to see that Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) did not win a single debate, because his ranting and raving merely reinforced the fervor of his own cult while turning off the rest of the party. The media have been obsessed with the likability of female candidates, never considering that Sanderss angry and rude demeanor would turn off women, who make up more than half of the Democratic electorate. A simple question Who is he gaining by all this yelling? should have been front and center in the medias coverage. His movement was assumed but never examined carefully.....
Sanderss ceiling turned out to be real, because there are generally less than a third of voters in the Democratic Party willing to embrace wide-eyed socialism, venom-filled rhetoric and utter disregard for the demands of governing (e.g. compromise). Michael Moore does not speak for the Democratic Party any more than Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.) speaks for House Democrats. (I have long maintained that the person who has the best read on the party as a whole is House Speaker Nancy Pelosi; get to her left, and you are in no-mans land.)
The Democratic Party does not live on social media nor does it favor bomb-throwers. If anything, it is desperate to play it safe and find an antidote to President Trump not an imitation. Voters want the madness, the cruelty, the dysfunction and the stupidity to stop. They have found their safe, reliable and decent candidate in Biden. En masse in every geographic region and Democratic group they are telling us that they want the primary to end and the effort to rout Trump to begin. The media might have taken Sanderss revolution seriously, but it turns out that Democratic voters as a whole did not.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Thekaspervote
(34,643 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
DenverJared
(457 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(154,423 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(71,021 posts)never had the votes and lost the primary. He should go while he still has a few shreds of dignity. +10000!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Peacetrain
(23,626 posts)the numbers were never there.. and then you have that 1/5th.. they would have kneecapped him in the end..but even if they stood with him.. the numbers were never there
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(71,021 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
empedocles
(15,751 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Wellstone ruled
(34,661 posts)message for forty plus years. And that message is thread worn do to his not being able for forty years,of ever getting one item into law.
But,that message will always attract attention by 30% crowd mush like the Tea Party 30% of the GOP.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
thesquanderer
(12,340 posts)If he somehow magically were able to become the nominee, he would likely win the election. Polls show him beating Trump almost as well as Biden does (and better than any other primary contender).
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Peacetrain
(23,626 posts)If you don't have the votes to win the nomination, then you don't have the votes to win the election..
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
thesquanderer
(12,340 posts)For a while, it looks like we could possibly have had a brokered convention, in which case our nominee would not have been someone who had gotten enough votes to win the nomination. They still could have won the election.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(154,423 posts)Link to tweet
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/03/bernie-sanders-democratic-primary-joe-biden-2020-voters-establishment.html
It is hardly unprecedented for the fifth- and sixth-place candidates to drop out of a race after four primaries. Yet Sanders himself has fixated on this decision as evidence of an Establishment conspiracy. Appearing on ABCs This Week several days later, he described it as the power of the Establishment to force Amy Klobuchar, who had worked so hard, Pete Buttigieg, who had really worked extremely hard as well, out of the race.
From Bernies perspective, dropping out of a race once you have no chance of winning is peculiar behavior that can only be explained by the work of a hidden hand. For most politicians, though, it is actually standard operating procedure. Only Sanders seems to think the normal thing to do once voters have made clear they dont want to nominate you is to continue campaigning anyway.
Sanders campaign spokesman Mike Casca argued, Because of the agenda that hes putting forward, a lot of super wealthy forces are aligned against him. But Sanders has enjoyed a wide spending advantage over Biden, who at the key juncture was operating on a shoestring budget. If Michael Bloomberg had won, it would have been fair to wonder if he had bought the nomination. Bidens appeal to the electorate was authentic, not purchased.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
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Gothmog
(154,423 posts)There was no magical voter revolution
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And in particular, his decisive win over Sanders in the primary without even campaigning in many states further highlights the limitations of progressive politics in America, at least in winning a national campaign.
Sanders, a self-described democratic socialist, made a bad bet on the existence of a national progressive majority (as did Sen. Elizabeth Warren, D-Mass., who ran as a progressive populist but dropped out after Super Tuesday). It turns out there's nothing even close.
In fact, its not even clear that a progressive majority exists within the Democratic Party. What does exist is a moderately center-left party with a vocal progressive element.
Sanders frequently said on the campaign trail that he was leading a multigenerational, multiracial movement, pledging to mobilize an army of new, young voters. But it turns out older and moderate voters are the ones that grew as a share of the Democratic primary electorate since 2016 and they favored Biden by a wide margin.
Take the South Carolina primary on Feb. 29, which Biden won, or the 10 of 14 states he captured on Super Tuesday: In all, he appealed to the same coalitions that boosted Democrats so strongly in the 2018 midterm elections, turning out large numbers of suburban voters, while maintaining support from longstanding elements of the Democratic coalition, particularly African American voters.....
Still, with the 2020 Democratic primary process essentially over, its clear that the hard-core Democratic left was deluded in their assertions that they were the new Democratic majority. They are going to need a better grip on reality if they are to be successful at the national level moving forward
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
MrScorpio
(73,712 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden