If I still lived in Minneapolis, I'd probably vote for him. I didn't realize that Omar was such a do-nothing. But I'm not surprised.

So, yeah, I guess I would have been in the 5th district.

..."buying elections"?

Why would so many people with cash have such an interest in a Congressional District in Minnesota?

Who donated to Sanders and, no doubt, donate to the other members of the "squad."

Many her throw tantrums when AOC and some others support primary challengers to incumbent D's, then turn around and champion primary challengers against "The Squad".

Curious...

She hasn't been around for her constituents, the ones that voted her in, she has voted against the wishes of her constituents, when she even bothers to show up to vote, yet she finds time to go to Africa 3 times, jet around the country to campaign for Sen. Sanders, disrespects our first female presidential candidate.

So why wouldn't we ask for a more in tune candidate, one that's going to be there for his constituents, show up to vote on important votes, listen to his constituents?

It is a campaign speech wrapped into a press release, published in the OpEd section, written by her primary challenger himself.

Get real, buddy.

My inclination is still preferring to see her hold her seat, but if she does not learn well enough and quickly enough how to do the whole job, her constituents may well seek better.





"When things are not called by their right names, what is said cannot make sense. When what is said does not make sense, what is planned cannot succeed. When plans do not succeed, people become uneasy. When people are uneasy, punishments do not fit crimes. When punishments do not fit crimes, people cannot know where to put hand or foot."

Also, your incessant "Sir" and "Ma'am" stuff is patronizing. Knock it off.

Honestly....





"When things are not called by their right names, what is said cannot make sense. When what is said does not make sense, what is planned cannot succeed. When plans do not succeed, people become uneasy. When people are uneasy, punishments do not fit crimes. When punishments do not fit crimes, people cannot know where to put hand or foot."

consider anyone's opinion who finds it necessary to be so rude and insulting to make a hollow point.

All the "enforcement" I need.

So nice to find opportunity for a bit of snark now that we are all on one side....




"When things are not called by their right names, what is said cannot make sense. When what is said does not make sense, what is planned cannot succeed. When plans do not succeed, people become uneasy. When people are uneasy, punishments do not fit crimes. When punishments do not fit crimes, people cannot know where to put hand or foot."

Where have you been?

It's not a matter of centrist vs. progressive, it's that she's never here and she does stupid stuff that creates unnecessary controversy. She is an ineffective legislator and I will be voting for her primary opponent.

Courtesy is often wanting among some some politicians and on this site. I often use "sir" and "ma'am" in speaking but rarely in writing. Perhaps I should begin to do so.

When someone holds the door for me, I'll say thank you sir, and in many other instances too. But doing it for every post is mind-boggling.

if we say "sir" or "ma'am" often enough, at some point we will come to really believe it.

I am no particular fan of Mr. Lewis, though I do rate 'The Screwtape Letters' quite highly, and recommend them to all and sundry. There is real insight there, the book is worth reading even by the most hardened infidel.

The paraphrase is from "Mere Christianity." Lewis says that if we repeat the familiar words, we come to believe them. If we abide by the Golden Rule, it becomes part of who we are.

I have forgotten which of them, but one of the Classical Greek philosophers advised cultivating virtue by striving to seem what you wish to be, till a point was reached where the vice of pride was enlisted in the realization of it, for who that had gained a name for virtue would accept disgrace by abandoning it when put to the test?

It would appear that perhaps C.S. Lewis did not have an original thought.

Of course, I am in no position to judge. As one of my law school professors told us, there has been no original thought among lawyers since Edward Coke's "Commentarie upon Littleton" (1628).

when the rest of us can and can't use certain forms of address. We'll all be sure to digest it and obey it.

Get right on that so we all know what words are OK to use.

Because, really, your opinion is the most important beam in the framework if how we all live our lives.

Cheers!

The Magistrate was cool with me.

to include a detailed chapter on what posts we can comment on in public fora. I certainly wouldn't want to run afoul of your decrees on that again!

Also, let us know your rules for how we can appear relaxed to you.

We NEED to know these things!!!

You criticize yet the do the same thing. I don't see you writing sir all the time in your posts. Besides, The Magistrate and I made up and I deleted the original post because of it. What more do you want to end it and go away? Get real, you're like a bully who hits a guy with his back turned. This wasn't directed to you anyway, so why jump in uninvited?

replies of others.

It's over, you say, and yet you persist in ordering me around and being insulting.

The rules of being as marvelous as you are difficult, indeed, for the rest of us to comprehend.

Get writing! How else will any of us know how to behave according to your standards??

I'm not afraid of internet tough guys. You're the one being insulting and very rude. My original reply about The Magistrate and I being cool was very nice, yet you kept it up and continued kicking and looking for a kill.

is in itself an insult, and you do not find it acceptable. I have so much to learn about correct behavior!

Once The Magistrate and I made up, it was over to every sane person in this thread.

Thank you.

and you wouldn't want to make a mistake it is probably best if you don't post anymore until you get your copy of the rules and can review them.

It's his style. If it bothers you just put him on ignore, but you'll be missing some thoughtful comments. I like him.

I hate blocking people.

I took my leave of the place some thirteen years later, and have recently come back after a lapse of six years. It was pleasant to find myself remembered and greeted warmly. If my manner annoys you, you have several options for remedy, but let me assure you they do not include remonstrating with me, or presuming to tell me how I ought to speak or otherwise conduct myself.





"When things are not called by their right names, what is said cannot make sense. When what is said does not make sense, what is planned cannot succeed. When plans do not succeed, people become uneasy. When people are uneasy, punishments do not fit crimes. When punishments do not fit crimes, people cannot know where to put hand or foot."

Just a tiny disagreement of shtick. And that is a long time, wow!

I trust that will continue. There are, by the way, some people still here who are senior to me, by many months, and even in my thirteenth year I continued to feel something of a junior fellow....

Hopefully you will forgive me.

Be well, and stay safe!

One, "Sir" and "Ma'am" is not patronizing, it's courtesy. Maybe old-fashioned but certainly not patronizing.

Second, The Magistrate is a recently returned, much beloved figure on DU. The "Sir" and "Ma'am" stuff is his schtick. It's quaint and does no one any harm.

don't like it when the incumbents are chosen by their local constituents and the primarying attempt is by outside extremist groups funded by outside money.

That's misuse of democracy to subvert democracy and bad in itself. But since their candidates are usually not representative of local majorities, they, of course, tend to depend heavily on smear campaigns against the incumbents, and usually dishonesty about who their candidate is as well.

It's not just a big moral thing, Tarc, but a will of the people thing.

As for this, get rid of the outside money and I'll be happy to let local voters decide to keep or kick her out. Their choice. Big money donations from special interests used to bury competition under mud is how Mitch McConnell's been getting reelected for over 30 years, though, and it'd be no more okay for Omar than for him.

But these young Turkettes started by challenging the "establishment," were going to unseat Pelosi, they all won safe Democratic districts but considered themselves the saviors of the Democratic party.

No wonder Sanders has been their hero.

Sharice Davids who are the real heroes. Who Flipped red seats into Blue!

Can you imagine if we hadn't won the BLUE WAVE Democratic House Victory?

Here in FL Debbie Mucarsel-Powell and Donna Shalala both flipped red seats into Blue - just what we needed for that wave!

the 2018 candidates who Flipped red seats to Blue!

And it is worth pointing out it is moderate figures, and center of the road types, that we owe for our 2018 victory. People on the further left of the political spectrum tend to take a glass half full view of such things, and ignore that a moderate elected in a 'red' district represents a shift to the left by the voters of that district. That ought to be hailed as such a shift, rather than decried as a dilution, or even an infiltration, of our Party. Where I part company with some of my more moderate comrades is in seeing nothing at all wrong in primary challenges that offer a possibility of moving our membership in Congress further to the left. The districts for such a challenge ought to be chosen carefully, they ought to be districts which really are Party strongholds, where a figure more to the left than a present incumbent will have a real chance of success in a general election. Such challenges ought not to be made willy-nilly, and ought never to be made in a district newly won to us by a moderate adherent to our Party.





"When things are not called by their right names, what is said cannot make sense. When what is said does not make sense, what is planned cannot succeed. When plans do not succeed, people become uneasy. When people are uneasy, punishments do not fit crimes. When punishments do not fit crimes, people cannot know where to put hand or foot."

Advising the candidates to run on Health Care..

2018 Is The Year Democrats Got Comfortable Talking Health Care Again

https://www.npr.org/2018/10/25/660281890/2018-is-the-year-democrats-got-comfortable-talking-health-care-again

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=458815

Amanpour interviews Congressman-elect Tom Malinowski (D flipped seat that was R since '81)

snip//

I want to play something that maybe speaker, certainly Leader Pelosi said to me in September because a lot of people said well you know what, the Democrats don't really have a message to complete with Make America Great Again.

There's no slogan, there's no clear strategy but this is where she laid out in September.

What we're about in our campaign is that we are for the people, for lower health care costs, lowering prescription drug prices.

We're for raising pay checks, lowering healthcare costs, increasing paychecks by building the infrastructure of America and for cleaning up government to make sure people understand that the people's interest, not the special interests are served here in the United States Capitol.

So there she was laying out a strategy and one that clearly is a winning strategy

Madame Speaker is a political force we are fortunate to have on our side. Attempts to overthrow her, which have featured figures from the right of the Party as well as its left, have been foolish in the extreme.





"When things are not called by their right names, what is said cannot make sense. When what is said does not make sense, what is planned cannot succeed. When plans do not succeed, people become uneasy. When people are uneasy, punishments do not fit crimes. When punishments do not fit crimes, people cannot know where to put hand or foot."

her for years.. Nancy is too Effective.

The left trying to get rid of Nancy as Speaker of the House didn't work out so well, either, Thankfully. Most of the House knew what an Excellent job she would do from her qualifications, experience and expertise.

Not Progressive Underground.

A large majority here support the Democratic Party and don’t think it is a problem. If you disagree you are welcome here, but don’t expect to have much support.

Democrats that attack the party with almost the vigor they attack republicans will have little support.

I suspect the famous gang of 6, which several backed out of quick, will have a short stint.

We won in 18 with moderate democrats running in moderate districts. That lesson is burned in the soul of most Democrats.

He enthusiastically supported her last time, as he states in his piece. She's a poor representative. She's not interested in texting m representing her constituents, she's interested only in the prestige associated with the position. Her story is inspiring, she just happens to suck at her job. Nobody shed a tear here over challenges to Cuellar or lipinski, IIRC. False narrative.

I'll donate to her Democratic opponent in the primary.

Enough of Ilhan Omar. She wrecked one house by having an affair with a married man. We don't want anyone else to wreck the house of representatives and we need Nancy Pelosi back as a speaker without disgruntled back benchers.

In the 90's we had Cynthia McKinney and they had Bob Dornan and Helen Chenoweth. I think they were more controversial than Omar.

and a Democratic Congress, for a while. And a thriving economy and zero deficit.

These days we cannot afford to experiment.

Can we experiment a little with the VP then? Warren please?

(He will turn 78 on Nov. 20th)

And... shouldn't she endorse, him, first?

It'll be interesting to see who he picks. At this point, all we know it that it will be a woman.

The affair with a married man that she denied vehemently only to marry him 2 months later will haunt her badly.

I'd have had respect for her if she had admitted it - but she lied.

John Mason. https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/john-mason-announces-candidacy-for-united-states-congress-5th-district-of-minnesota-in-primary-challenging-rep-ilhan-omar-300938344.html He's a gay African-American community organizer with some solid credentials. I voted for Omar enthusiastically but I'm disappointed in her. I don't care that she endorsed Bernie; what I care about is that she is doing a lousy job of representing her constituents, and her political instincts are lousy too. She can't seem to resist painting a target on her own back and making herself unnecessarily controversial. I think we need better representation in CD-5 than she's giving us.

If you did, you'd know better than to suggest her ethnicity has anything to do with the criticism she's getting. The OP is accurate.

When Al Franken stepped down and it was obvious that the governor would appoint a woman, some wanted her - barely few months in the State House with nothing to show - because she was (still is, of course) a "Muslim and a Somali-American." Oh, you forgot to add "woman" to your list of identities.

Some days I hope that we follow MLK wish, to elect our representatives based on "the content of their character."

The anti-Omar vote will be split, she'll waltz through the gap into her second term.

So long as we don’t lose the seat, I am not losing any sleep over this race.

That said, I would be curious to know who (in the DNC or elsewhere in the higher echelons of the party) is supporting this challenge.

Anybody know?



-Laelth

Normally there is a state convention when delegates endorse a candidate and the rest drop out.

But on occasions we have smart, brave candidates who say: the people, not political activists should determine the party candidate. Last two governors, both Democrats, have followed this path.

If she loses, look for her to launch an independent bid.

Any grounds for it?

Is it permissible under Minnesota law?

This district is solidly Democratic, to the point where the GOP candidate is usually some obscure sacrificial lamb that the party knows has no chance. I can't even remember the name of the person who ran against Omar, if I ever even knew it. If Omar were to run as an independent she wouldn't split the vote enough to give the election to the GOP.

I am sure it would be futile, she would never have carried anything but the most solidly Democratic district.

Simply for information, is there a 'sore loser' law in Minnesota?

Has she made any statement indicating she would consider a hird party run if defeated?

I am just curious, that is all.

I haven't heard anything to the effect that she would consider a third-party run; she's probably aware that it would be fruitless.

It would strain my ease with her if I thought there was any possibility she would break ranks for an independent campaign.

It is a good day today, not perfect, but something to enjoy and feel good over.

Being a democrat is apparently too challenging for her.

their own celebrity cult. I'll be happy to see the back of every one of them.