Silence usually signals assent.

It is easily done.

When has Sanders ever denounced the slurs and smears and grotesque lies employed on his behalf by numerous persons presenting themselves as being in support of him?





"When things are not called by their right names, what is said cannot make sense. When what is said does not make sense, what is planned cannot succeed. When plans do not succeed, people become uneasy. When people are uneasy, punishments do not fit crimes. When punishments do not fit crimes, people cannot know where to put hand or foot."

He's about as awful as they come. Good thing he is not working for Sanders. Too bad he is so hateful in his support for Bernie.

It is unknown who he works for.

Division is his goal.

Labeling all Bernie supporters as him ensures the same goal--division.

the argument fails because officials of the campaign ARE like him.

Note: "ONCE AGAIN"!

everyone else. maybe it's actually that they share OUR values

And it's not good or part of OUR VALUES to claim that all Bernie supporters are representative of his divisiveness.

Is it part of YOUR VALUES?

Unity.

really shitty videos surfaced...was fired. But there is still liking and retweeting. Personally I will ignore these folks who are members of the Green Party anyway.

....or like what they've said about Biden and the Democratic Party? Even though Sanders has withdrawn they're still at it today. Check their tweets.

That assertion got tiresome about five years ago.

As for Orfalea, Sanders would do well to distance himself from Matt. Instead, Jane Sanders and others in his campaign retweet his bullshit. Perhaps if you truly have a problem with him, you should take it up with them.

This type of nonsense has been happening the entire campaign. Welcome to the club.

"Jane Sanders and others in his campaign retweet his bullshit"

The point is not that it is ALL of them; the point is that those supporters who are NOT like that have the duty to speak out against those who are, starting at the top.

Thank you.

I'll never forgive Jane for her election-day tweet that was giving people "permission" to NOT vote for our party's nominee.

She couldn't bring herself to simply say "Vote for the Democrat"... so she tweeted some interesting election day advice to her twitter followers. Basically, it seems to me that she was expressing her belief that it was okay to not vote for the party's nominee... as long as the person voted and "followed their heart".



So... with that as a historical reference, it makes perfect sense that she'd rehire him.

He is clearly working for them, regardless; they hired him once, they know who he is, they retweet his comments, their own comments echo his, and they have NEVER rebuked him.

It would be bad enough to simply remain silent... but they RETWEET! Obviously they approve.

by Jane Sanders. All I asked for was proof of that claim, nothing more, nothing less.

still simply supporting Sanders.

I am sure he still supports Sanders ideologically, but retweets do not mean employment, which is what was claimed.

words and proof matter, at least they do for me

If the shoe was on the other foot and claims (with no proof so far) were made by Sanders supporters that cast Biden in a very negative light, then there would be (rightly so) a massive amount of pushback.

to minimize this by hanging on that point are, IMO, rather sad.

And the whataboutism doesn't work; the fact is that the Biden campaign is NOT doing any such thing, where the Sanders campaign has, from the stat, and continues to do so.

Others are very carefully splitting hairs, thus revealing a position of weakness. He was "let go" (wink wink) uh-huh, right. Jane's got this taken care of.

You also misuse the term whataboutism, btw. I used a hypothetical example, not a real instance, and certainly was not using it to excuse anything, which is the very essence of whataboutism.

that his posts are clearly representative of the Sanders campaign's tactics.

I do not doubt her report, she is a formidable researcher.

The man in question may be representative, he may be frequently re-tweeted, by the candidate's spouse, even, he may enjoy 'favor at court', so to speak.

But he is not presently employed....





"When things are not called by their right names, what is said cannot make sense. When what is said does not make sense, what is planned cannot succeed. When plans do not succeed, people become uneasy. When people are uneasy, punishments do not fit crimes. When punishments do not fit crimes, people cannot know where to put hand or foot."

I agree he has evident associations with the campaign, but these do fall short of employment.

what I was asking for proof of.

Thanks.

Link to tweet

....was about Sanders STAFFERS, who include "informally" Matt Orfalea, the man who was hired and then fired the next day for a sleazy and obscene video using MLK's "I have a dream" speech as the theme.

But he's still churning out venom against Biden and Jane Sanders has praised such efforts more than once.

That you take the comments about Orfalea and OTHER high up staffers like Gray and Sirota as "generalizations about entire groups of people" is a bit extreme. The fact remains that those three, even after Sanders has nominally suspended his campaign, are still running rampant on Twitter. In fact Gray has even stepped it up today.

As far as those three are concerned, I know that I DO NOT share their values, and from the reactions here in DU many others don't, either.

Therefore, any THEY in reference to him cannot be about Sanders staffers. Moreover, even IF HE WERE A STAFFER, most of the staffers asked Bernie to concede which is why he did. They are a diverse group of people. Pretending they are a monolithic group of people is impractical toward our goal AND it is not a Democratic core principle. We do not accept prejudicial judgments about entire groups of people. The primary is over. We need to move forward and drop grudges and negative attacks. I've explained how to do it in a logical manner.

You do not know that 'most of the staffers requested Bernie to concede'. There have been reports of a total of three doing so, that began emerging a day or two ago. They were highly placed, and one was of long standing, but that hardly establishes 'most of the staffers' so urged Sanders. You do not even know their urgings are why Sanders acted as he did, and spoke as he did. It may be a reasonable surmise, but it is far from certain fact, given what has been made public to date.

The fellow with the name not worth learning to spell is not currently employed by Sanders, but he certainly enjoys 'favor at court', and people close to Sanders have amplified his voice. It would be foolish to attempt denial that he is typical of a goodly number of people proclaiming themselves supporters of Sanders on social media, in his extravagant lying and his reckless nihilism, which can only benefit the cheap thug Trump, and will do nothing to advance 'progressive' influence or policies. Persons still employed by Sanders have consistently posted up comments indistinguishable from his, and re-tweeted comments indistinguishable from his. One leading spokesperson just today is echoing and amplifying attack lines put into circulation on Daily Caller by Tucker Carlson.

People are generally fairly specific in their comments on the lies and smears and slurs engaged in by some supporters of Sanders. Those who misbehave are attacked. People have a choice whether to identify with the pedlars of lies and smears and slurs, and are not required to cry out that they are attacked themselves when such miscreants are described and denounced. That is a choice, but people who make it are consciously ranging themselves alongside these creatures, and cannot much complain if they come in for some of the righteous vitriol directed at the creatures they have leapt to defend. You could choose otherwise. You could denounce them as reckless and destructive elements, with whom you wish no association, and request Sanders do the same. Even if it means firing staff.

I will point out one more thing about the line you take. You have compared criticism of the excesses of people who lie and smear for Sanders with racism and tarring whole groups and similar tenditious nonesense. This is a common means employed to attack people on the left, who are supposed to be vulnerable to appeals to their better natures, and hear claims of the style you have adopted with an inclination to wonder 'do I want to be seen behaving like a racist?' It is a cheap trick that ought not to work so often as it does. I am immune to it, it does not bother me at all if someone thinks me a cruel and heartless beast, a hardened reprobate and foe of all that is holy by their lights. I know perfectly well who I am and what I am, and do not care a fig what you, or people with attitudes similar to yours, imagine me to be, or think it useful to picture me as.





"When things are not called by their right names, what is said cannot make sense. When what is said does not make sense, what is planned cannot succeed. When plans do not succeed, people become uneasy. When people are uneasy, punishments do not fit crimes. When punishments do not fit crimes, people cannot know where to put hand or foot."

We do not need them in the Democratic Party.


Unity.

That does not surprise me. My advice would be to find other hobbies, you really are not very good at this one....




I have found creating these both relaxing and enjoyable....





"When things are not called by their right names, what is said cannot make sense. When what is said does not make sense, what is planned cannot succeed. When plans do not succeed, people become uneasy. When people are uneasy, punishments do not fit crimes. When punishments do not fit crimes, people cannot know where to put hand or foot."

...video. But but he still is working for the campaign.

Jane Sanders, months after he was "officially" fired, was still praising his work. She deleted her praising tweets, but one was captured (see below). Time to please stop making excuses for "staffers" "workers", "supporters", et. al. They've gathered a uniquely divisive group of people around themselves, and no amount of rationalization will change that. And pretending that someone, anyone, said they are a monolithic group of people is impractical toward out goal. And their continued divisive attacks on Biden and the Democratic Party is not a Democratic core principle.

We need each other.

....dishonestly portraying this as a Biden ad. ALL lies.

Link to tweet