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Uncle Joe

(59,996 posts)
Thu Jun 13, 2024, 11:31 AM Jun 2024

Gaza Ceasefire Only Possible Once Israel Commits to Ending the War, Says Palestinian Diplomat



Israel and Hamas are both facing calls to support the U.S.-backed ceasefire and hostage deal that was endorsed by the U.N. Security Council earlier this week. While Hamas has welcomed the proposal, Israeli leaders have yet to publicly commit to its terms, including a full end to the war rather than just a pause in the fighting for the exchange of captives. This comes as a major new U.N. report accuses Israel of committing war crimes and crimes against humanity throughout its eight-month assault on the territory. The death toll in Gaza has now passed 37,000, including more than 15,000 children. "This is inhumane and catastrophic," says senior Palestinian diplomat Majed Bamya, who says "2.3 million Palestinians, every single day, are fighting to survive" while the ceasefire proposal languishes. He also stresses that peace in the region is only possible by "ending the occupation and allowing two states to live side by side."

Democracy Now! is an independent global news hour that airs on over 1,500 TV and radio stations Monday through Friday. Watch our livestream at democracynow.org Mondays to Fridays 8-9 a.m. ET.
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Gaza Ceasefire Only Possible Once Israel Commits to Ending the War, Says Palestinian Diplomat (Original Post) Uncle Joe Jun 2024 OP
What bullshit. Release the f**king hostages you jackasses. Hamas is the entity that broke the ceasefire, and now they JohnSJ Jun 2024 #1
Hamas turned down another ceasefire that the rest of the world accepted. lapucelle Jun 2024 #2
Has anyone in Israel's government publicly accepted the peace proposal? n/t Uncle Joe Jun 2024 #3
What are you talking about? President Biden, SOS Blinken, and the leaders of 16 countries lapucelle Jun 2024 #5
If Israel's government did publicly state that they accepted the peace proposal it would put the onus Uncle Joe Jun 2024 #6
Stop blaming Israel for stuff Hamas does. lapucelle Jun 2024 #7
Democracy Now are Hamas apologists, and have been for some time. The dirty little secret is that as far Hamas is JohnSJ Jun 2024 #10
Actually, Democracy Now! supports terrorists. lapucelle Jun 2024 #11
Democracy Now supports freedom of the press and democracy, obviously you support still shots with no context. Uncle Joe Jun 2024 #12
What are you talking about? lapucelle Jun 2024 #13
You posted still shots with no context. n/t Uncle Joe Jun 2024 #15
Theocracy Now! has branded terrorists as some sort of apocryphal "Axis of Resistance". lapucelle Jun 2024 #16
Palestine is under occupation and has been for decades. Uncle Joe Jun 2024 #17
Now I remember. lapucelle Jun 2024 #35
When I see a cite to Democracy Now, I know that the article is totally worthless LetMyPeopleVote Jun 2024 #38
The terrorist scumbags do not want a ceasefire. Why does Theocracy Now! amplify Hamas talking points? lapucelle Jun 2024 #4
Hamas leader said civilian death toll could benefit militant group in Gaza war, WSJ reports lapucelle Jun 2024 #8
Gaza Chief's Brutal Calculation: Civilian Bloodshed Will Help Hamas lapucelle Jun 2024 #9
1. Probable genocide isn't globally popular among most human beings around the world, Uncle Joe Jun 2024 #14
Sorry, superficial talking points don't work on me. Neither does "Quick, Look over here!" lapucelle Jun 2024 #18
I don't view supporting the wannabe dictator of the United States nor his 2 billion dollar enriched Uncle Joe Jun 2024 #19
Like I said, "Look over here!" doesn't work on me. lapucelle Jun 2024 #20
Israel's apartheid government is much closer to being a theocracy, but Uncle Joe Jun 2024 #21
"Israel is closer to being a theocracy than regions controled by the Houthis, Hamas, and Hezbollah?" lapucelle Jun 2024 #22
Israel is closer to being a theocracy than Democracy Now Uncle Joe Jun 2024 #23
Oh...what you were *really* doing was comparing a Israel to a Youtube media channel lapucelle Jun 2024 #24
Democracy Now started in 1996 Uncle Joe Jun 2024 #25
Amy Goodman shares an award with Glem Greenwald? lapucelle Jun 2024 #26
That really makes a difference after you post the *rump supporting Wall Street Journal!? Uncle Joe Jun 2024 #27
My link goes to CNN. lapucelle Jun 2024 #28
Your post #9 goes to the Wall Street Journal, you can even read it on the link. Uncle Joe Jun 2024 #29
Not gonna work. Democracy Now! has no place here. lapucelle Jun 2024 #30
Well we're making progress, at least you're not denying that your post was of the Wall Street Journal; Uncle Joe Jun 2024 #31
Do not speak for me or presume that I am in any way any part of your "we". lapucelle Jun 2024 #32
Okay I'm making progress and you're not. n/t Uncle Joe Jun 2024 #33
And Democracy Now supports that wannabe dictator's Russian handler AZSkiffyGeek Jun 2024 #34
No one has done more damage to the cause of democracy and United States national security than Rupert Murdoch Uncle Joe Jun 2024 #36
I'm not sure what Rupert Murdoch has to do with Pro-Russian propagandist Amy Goodman AZSkiffyGeek Jun 2024 #37
Democracy Now JustAnotherGen Jun 2024 #39
Since 1996. n/t Uncle Joe Jun 2024 #40
Same age as Faux JustAnotherGen Jun 2024 #41
FOX "News" started 8 months after Democracy Now Uncle Joe Jun 2024 #42

JohnSJ

(95,974 posts)
1. What bullshit. Release the f**king hostages you jackasses. Hamas is the entity that broke the ceasefire, and now they
Thu Jun 13, 2024, 11:51 AM
Jun 2024

are crying foul.

Typical Democracy Now one-sided dribble.

If they ever interviewed an opposing point of view, that would be news.

lapucelle

(19,518 posts)
2. Hamas turned down another ceasefire that the rest of the world accepted.
Thu Jun 13, 2024, 11:52 AM
Jun 2024

The world had been waiting since May 31 for the terrorist's answer on the ceasefire proposal. On June 11, the terrorists replied by making more demands.

And of course, Theocracy Now! is busy shilling Hamas talking points.

"Time for the haggling to stop": Blinken says Hamas didn't accept ceasefire deal

Secretary of State Tony Blinken said Wednesday that Hamas has not accepted the U.S.-backed proposal for a hostage and ceasefire deal and presented "numerous changes" that go beyond its previous positions.

Why it matters: The U.S. and international mediators see the proposal as the best chance to end eight months of war. About 120 hostages are still being held by Hamas in Gaza and more than 37,000 Palestinians have been killed by Israel in the war in Gaza, according to local health authorities.

Driving the news: Hamas sent its response to the proposal to Egyptian and Qatari mediators on Tuesday evening.

https://www.axios.com/2024/06/12/blinken-hamas-gaza-hostage-ceasefire-proposal

lapucelle

(19,518 posts)
5. What are you talking about? President Biden, SOS Blinken, and the leaders of 16 countries
Thu Jun 13, 2024, 12:02 PM
Jun 2024

say Israel has accepted.

Fuck the folks on twitter who say

"Oh, Israel's acceptance only counts if...

Besides, Hamas says....


This is Democratic Underground. I take President Biden and SOS Blinken at their word even if Hamas shill/third party booster Amy Goodman does not.


Uncle Joe

(59,996 posts)
6. If Israel's government did publicly state that they accepted the peace proposal it would put the onus
Thu Jun 13, 2024, 12:12 PM
Jun 2024

on Hamas to do likewise.

It Israel's government would rather be coy or shy about it, that doesn't do anything for putting the global public squeeze on Hamas.

lapucelle

(19,518 posts)
7. Stop blaming Israel for stuff Hamas does.
Thu Jun 13, 2024, 12:35 PM
Jun 2024

President Biden and the leaders of 16 countries whose citizens Hamas terrorists hold hostage "put the squeeze on Hamas".

Joint Statement from the Leaders of the United States, Argentina, Austria, Brazil, Bulgaria, Canada, Colombia, Denmark, France, Germany, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Serbia, Spain, Thailand, and the United Kingdom on Gaza

As leaders of countries deeply concerned for the hostages held by Hamas in Gaza, including many of our own citizens, we fully support the movement towards a ceasefire and hostage release deal now on the table and as outlined by President Biden on May 31, 2024. There is no time to lose.

We call on Hamas to close this agreement, that Israel is ready to move forward with, and begin the process of releasing our citizens.

We note that this agreement would lead to an immediate ceasefire and rehabilitation of Gaza together with security assurances for Israelis, and Palestinians, and opportunities for a more enduring long-term peace and a two-state solution. At this decisive moment, we call on the leaders of Israel as well as Hamas to make whatever final compromises are necessary to close this deal and bring relief to the families of our hostages, as well as those on both sides of this terrible conflict, including the civilian populations. It is time for the war to end and this deal is the necessary starting point.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2024/06/06/joint-statement-from-the-leaders-of-the-united-states-argentina-austria-brazil-bulgaria-canada-colombia-denmark-france-germany-poland-portugal-romania-serbia-spain-thailand-and-the-uni/

JohnSJ

(95,974 posts)
10. Democracy Now are Hamas apologists, and have been for some time. The dirty little secret is that as far Hamas is
Thu Jun 13, 2024, 12:47 PM
Jun 2024

concerned, Palestinian civilian lives are expendable. Hamas wouldn't hide among those civilians if they weren't.

The four hostages rescued a few days ago only highlight Hamas' true intentions.

lapucelle

(19,518 posts)
11. Actually, Democracy Now! supports terrorists.
Thu Jun 13, 2024, 01:01 PM
Jun 2024
Imagine promoting a pro-terrorist branding campaign that includes the Houthis as part of some imaginary "resistance" group the same month they crucified a man for homosexuality.



Uncle Joe

(59,996 posts)
12. Democracy Now supports freedom of the press and democracy, obviously you support still shots with no context.
Thu Jun 13, 2024, 01:17 PM
Jun 2024

Why is that?

lapucelle

(19,518 posts)
13. What are you talking about?
Thu Jun 13, 2024, 01:23 PM
Jun 2024

The screen shots are from stories you have linked to in the past.

"Oh look. One member of the tripartite "Axis of Resistance©" crucified a man for being gay."


And all some folks can do is shrug.





lapucelle

(19,518 posts)
16. Theocracy Now! has branded terrorists as some sort of apocryphal "Axis of Resistance".
Thu Jun 13, 2024, 01:32 PM
Jun 2024
This garbarge was linked to here at DU.



LetMyPeopleVote

(153,851 posts)
38. When I see a cite to Democracy Now, I know that the article is totally worthless
Fri Jun 14, 2024, 10:05 AM
Jun 2024

That site is not reliable and the materials from that site are always weak or wrong

lapucelle

(19,518 posts)
4. The terrorist scumbags do not want a ceasefire. Why does Theocracy Now! amplify Hamas talking points?
Thu Jun 13, 2024, 11:56 AM
Jun 2024
Joint Statement from the Leaders of the United States, Argentina, Austria, Brazil, Bulgaria, Canada, Colombia, Denmark, France, Germany, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Serbia, Spain, Thailand, and the United Kingdom on Gaza
June 6, 2024

As leaders of countries deeply concerned for the hostages held by Hamas in Gaza, including many of our own citizens, we fully support the movement towards a ceasefire and hostage release deal now on the table and as outlined by President Biden on May 31, 2024. There is no time to lose.

We call on Hamas to close this agreement, that Israel is ready to move forward with, and begin the process of releasing our citizens.

We note that this agreement would lead to an immediate ceasefire and rehabilitation of Gaza together with security assurances for Israelis, and Palestinians, and opportunities for a more enduring long-term peace and a two-state solution. At this decisive moment, we call on the leaders of Israel as well as Hamas to make whatever final compromises are necessary to close this deal and bring relief to the families of our hostages, as well as those on both sides of this terrible conflict, including the civilian populations. It is time for the war to end and this deal is the necessary starting point.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2024/06/06/joint-statement-from-the-leaders-of-the-united-states-argentina-austria-brazil-bulgaria-canada-colombia-denmark-france-germany-poland-portugal-romania-serbia-spain-thailand-and-the-uni/

lapucelle

(19,518 posts)
8. Hamas leader said civilian death toll could benefit militant group in Gaza war, WSJ reports
Thu Jun 13, 2024, 12:38 PM
Jun 2024
Hamas leader said civilian death toll could benefit militant group in Gaza war, WSJ reports

The military leader of Hamas has said he believes he has gained the upper hand over Israel and that the spiralling civilian death toll in Gaza would work in the militant group’s favor, according to a report by the Wall Street Journal, citing leaked messages the newspaper said it had seen.

“We have the Israelis right where we want them,” Yahya Sinwar told other Hamas leaders recently, according to one of the messages, the WSJ reported Monday. In another, Sinwar is said to have described civilian deaths as “necessary sacrifices” while citing past independence-related conflicts in countries like Algeria.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/06/11/middleeast/sinwar-hamas-israel-ceasefire-hostage-talks-intl/index.html

Uncle Joe

(59,996 posts)
14. 1. Probable genocide isn't globally popular among most human beings around the world,
Thu Jun 13, 2024, 01:25 PM
Jun 2024

that's just common sense.

2. The Wall Street supports the person that tried to overthrow the United States Government.

Uncle Joe

(59,996 posts)
19. I don't view supporting the wannabe dictator of the United States nor his 2 billion dollar enriched
Thu Jun 13, 2024, 01:40 PM
Jun 2024

son in law and long time family friend of Netanyahu; facing his own corruption charges as being "superficial or looking over here" to the subject of Israel and Palestine.

lapucelle

(19,518 posts)
20. Like I said, "Look over here!" doesn't work on me.
Thu Jun 13, 2024, 01:52 PM
Jun 2024

When will you condemn Theocracy Now! for platforming terrorist adjacent loons busy trying to brand the crucifiers of homosexuals as part of a "resistance" movement? That's not "news". It's propaganda.



Uncle Joe

(59,996 posts)
21. Israel's apartheid government is much closer to being a theocracy, but
Thu Jun 13, 2024, 01:57 PM
Jun 2024

that's a nice projection.

Furthermore, it's not a question of "look over here" it's only a matter of looking and listening period.

lapucelle

(19,518 posts)
22. "Israel is closer to being a theocracy than regions controled by the Houthis, Hamas, and Hezbollah?"
Thu Jun 13, 2024, 02:11 PM
Jun 2024

Did you read that on Theocracy Now! ?

Has Israel put any gay people to death lately? Has Israel anyone recently? Have there been any women beaten to death because their hair was uncovered?

There are 2,100,000 Arab citizens of Israel. They make up more than 20% of the Israeli population.

There are more than 400 mosques in Israel where Muslims worship.

There are currently 10 Muslim members (out of 120 total members) of the Knesset, and there have been Muslim members since the first election in 1949.

In 2022, Judge Khaled Kabub became the first Muslim permanently appointed to Israel's Supreme Court.






Uncle Joe

(59,996 posts)
23. Israel is closer to being a theocracy than Democracy Now
Thu Jun 13, 2024, 02:13 PM
Jun 2024

Palestinians are at best second class citizens in Israel.

Why did you feel the need to twist my post?

lapucelle

(19,518 posts)
24. Oh...what you were *really* doing was comparing a Israel to a Youtube media channel
Thu Jun 13, 2024, 02:23 PM
Jun 2024

run by a third party boosting, terrorist adjacent multi-millionaire?

Like I said, that doesn't work on me.

And it still doesn't make democratic Israel anything like a theocracy.

Uncle Joe

(59,996 posts)
25. Democracy Now started in 1996
Thu Jun 13, 2024, 02:31 PM
Jun 2024


Democracy Now! is an hour-long TV, radio, and Internet news program based in Manhattan and hosted by journalists Amy Goodman (who also acts as the show's executive producer), Juan González,[1][2] and Nermeen Shaikh. The show, which airs live each weekday at 8 a.m. Eastern Time, is broadcast on the Internet and via more than 1,400 radio and television stations worldwide.[3]

The program combines news reporting, interviews, investigative journalism and political commentary from a progressive perspective. It documents social movements, struggles for justice, activism challenging corporate power and operates as a watchdog outfit regarding the effects of American foreign policy.[2] Democracy Now! views as its aim to give activists and the citizenry a platform to debate people from "The Establishment".[2] The show is described as progressive[4] by fans as well as critics, but Goodman rejects that label, calling the program a global newscast that has "people speaking for themselves".[1] Democracy Now! describes its staff as "includ[ing] some of this country's leading progressive journalists."[5]

(snip)

Awards and reception

Democracy Now! and its staff have received several journalism awards, including the Gracie Award from American Women in Radio & Television;[38] the George Polk Award for its 1998 radio documentary Drilling and Killing: Chevron and Nigeria's Oil Dictatorship, on the Chevron Corporation and the deaths of two Nigerian villagers protesting an oil spill;[39] and Goodman with Allan Nairn won Robert F. Kennedy Memorial's First Prize in International Radio for their 1993 report, Massacre: The Story of East Timor, which involved first-hand coverage of genocide during the Indonesian occupation of East Timor.[40]

On October 1, 2008, Goodman was named as a recipient of the 2008 Right Livelihood Award,[41] in connection with her years of work establishing Democracy Now! and in 2009, she, like her frequent guest Glenn Greenwald, was awarded the first annual Izzy Award (named after journalist I. F. "Izzy" Stone) for "special achievement in independent media".[42] Her co-host Juan González was inducted into the New York chapter of the Society of Professional Journalists' Hall of Fame on November 19, 2015.[43][44]

(snip)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy_Now!#:~:text=The%20War%20and%20Peace%20Report,Salim%20Muwakkil%2C%20and%20Julie%20Drizin.


lapucelle

(19,518 posts)
30. Not gonna work. Democracy Now! has no place here.
Thu Jun 13, 2024, 04:44 PM
Jun 2024

It shilled for third party candidates against Democrats in 2000 and 2016.

Truth is that the stars of the shows on the Democracy Now! Youtube channel need to take responsibility and apologize for helping both Bush and Trump to win. Yes, Amy Goodman got rich, but look at all the harm she helped usher in:

- the Iraq War
- the Roberts Court
- the Alito appointment
- the Citizens United Decision
- the end of Roe
- the family separation policy
- unnecessary deaths from covid due to misinformation
- a conservative Supreme Court for the next generation

Democracy Now! amplified Tara Reade's claims in 2020, doing its best to ensure that Trump got a second term, and it currently platforms pro-terrorist propagandists and Vote Uncommitted chaos agents. Yes indeed, Democracy Now is once again doing its best to elect the Republican.

"Amy Goodman won a prize in 2009. She shares that prize with Glem Greenwald. She also got very rich. She has strategy sessions with Neville Roy Singham."


Democracy Now! is garbage. As for Amy Goodman, I don't know how she sleeps at night.







Uncle Joe

(59,996 posts)
31. Well we're making progress, at least you're not denying that your post was of the Wall Street Journal;
Thu Jun 13, 2024, 04:57 PM
Jun 2024

the same publication that supports the chief insurrectionist; whom tried and is trying to overthrow the U.S. government.

But hey, Democracy Now is scary because they stand for the democracy and a free press.



lapucelle

(19,518 posts)
32. Do not speak for me or presume that I am in any way any part of your "we".
Thu Jun 13, 2024, 05:20 PM
Jun 2024

As for progress, admitting that Democracy Now! is scary is, indeed, a step in the right direction.

Any media operation that promotes the talking points of autocrats like Putin, amplifies the claims of terrorists like Hezbollah, Hamas, and the Htousis, and repeatedly platforms ratfuckers whose goal is to depress the Democratic Party vote is not standing up for democracy.

It's disgusting.

Class dismissed.

AZSkiffyGeek

(12,518 posts)
34. And Democracy Now supports that wannabe dictator's Russian handler
Thu Jun 13, 2024, 05:33 PM
Jun 2024

You've even shared the stories here. See, others can play that nonsequitur game too!

Uncle Joe

(59,996 posts)
36. No one has done more damage to the cause of democracy and United States national security than Rupert Murdoch
Fri Jun 14, 2024, 03:51 AM
Jun 2024


Rupert Murdoch Explores Reuniting His Media Empire by Recombining Fox and News Corp

Move would bring assets such as Fox News and The Wall Street Journal back under one roof, nearly a decade after they split

(snip)

https://www.wsj.com/articles/rupert-murdoch-explores-reuniting-his-media-empire-by-recombining-fox-and-news-corp-11665778812



So if anyone trusts a third party sourced two sentence blurb promoted by one of his institutions, they might as well get their information from Fox & Friends.

AZSkiffyGeek

(12,518 posts)
37. I'm not sure what Rupert Murdoch has to do with Pro-Russian propagandist Amy Goodman
Fri Jun 14, 2024, 08:39 AM
Jun 2024

But keep changing the subject.

JustAnotherGen

(33,286 posts)
39. Democracy Now
Mon Jun 17, 2024, 03:43 AM
Jun 2024

Goes out of business if America makes progress. Ditto Faux news. And Cornel West.

If you have nothing to complain about - no one will watch you.

Uncle Joe

(59,996 posts)
42. FOX "News" started 8 months after Democracy Now
Mon Jun 17, 2024, 12:09 PM
Jun 2024

as an oligarchic corporate media counter to news programming dedicated to actual Democracy.



(snip)

Democracy Now!, also called Democracy Now! The War and Peace Report, Democracy Now Independent Global News, or Democracy News, was founded on February 19, 1996, at WBAI in New York City by journalists Amy Goodman, Juan González, Larry Bensky, Salim Muwakkil, and Julie Drizin.[14][2] It originally aired on five Pacifica Radio stations.[1] Goodman is the program's principal host, with Juan González and Nermeen Shaikh as frequent co-hosts.[13] Jeremy Scahill, an investigative reporter and co-founding editor for The Intercept,[15] has been a frequent contributor since 1997.[1]

(snip)

Democracy Now! began as a radio program broadcast from the studios of WBAI, a local Pacifica Radio station in New York City. In early September 2001, amid a months-long debate over the mission and management of Pacifica, Democracy Now! was forced out of the WBAI studios. Goodman took the program to the Downtown Community Television Center located in a converted firehouse building in New York City's Chinatown, where the program began to be televised.[27][28] Only a few days later on September 11, 2001 Democracy Now! was the closest national broadcast to Ground Zero. On that day Goodman and colleagues continued reporting beyond their scheduled hour-long time slot in what became an eight-hour marathon broadcast. Following 9/11, in addition to radio and television, Democracy Now! expanded their multimedia reach to include cable, satellite radio, Internet, and podcasts.[27]

In November 2009, Democracy Now! left their broadcast studio in the converted DCTV firehouse, where they had broadcast for eight years.[28] The studio subsequently moved to a repurposed graphic arts building in the Chelsea District of Manhattan.[28] In 2010, the new 8,500-square-foot[29] Democracy Now! studio became the first radio or television studio in the nation to receive LEED Platinum certification,[30][31] the highest rating awarded by the U.S. Green Building Council.

(snip)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy_Now!

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