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Rhiannon12866

(222,072 posts) Fri Nov 1, 2024, 06:37 PM Nov 1

Judge Luttig: Donald Trump is not a Republican or a Conservative - Deadline - MSNBC

Former Federal Judge, Michael Luttig, and Sofia Kinzinger, wife of Adam Kinzinger and former Trump Campaign staffer, join Nicolle Wallace on Deadline: White House to discuss the choice that faces America and why lifelong conservatives and Republicans are starting to realize the candidate of the party that represents their values does not represent them. - Aired on 11/01/2024.

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Judge Luttig: Donald Trump is not a Republican or a Conservative - Deadline - MSNBC (Original Post) Rhiannon12866 Nov 1 OP

But he's sure the pilie of reeking turds that attracts *other* Republicans like flies! 50 Shades Of Blue Nov 1 #1

Trump's Influence is Waning Metaphorical Nov 1 #2

Luttig is guilty - of the 'No True Scotsman' fallacy. Tactical Peek Nov 1 #3

The Republican Party brought this shit on itself and on us. BootinUp Nov 1 #4

50 Shades Of Blue

(10,887 posts)

1. But he's sure the pilie of reeking turds that attracts *other* Republicans like flies!

Reply to Rhiannon12866 (Original post)

Fri Nov 1, 2024, 06:54 PM

Nov 1

So what does that say about the GOP?

Metaphorical

(2,308 posts)

2. Trump's Influence is Waning

Reply to Rhiannon12866 (Original post)

Fri Nov 1, 2024, 07:19 PM

Nov 1

Trump has always ruled by fear - if you did not declare your loyalty to him specifically, he would turn his followers against you, and as those followers constituted a sizeable percentage of the GOP, this would guarantee that your career as a politician was over. However, that has backfired for him after leaving office. Trump-endorsed candidates that made it through the primary would get trounced in the general, or would often turn out to be political embarrassments some time thereafter. Notice how few candidates this cycle have had rallies with him? They know if they do that the rally will turn into a Trump campaign rally and they will end up holding the bill at the end.

I generally do not like the GOP, but there were several GOP congresspeople I at least had a modicum of respect for, and I recognize that a one party system, no matter how well intentioned, will get into trouble if it doesn't have a counterveiling party. The Democrats need a Republican party, but the prospect of a Trump/Nazi party with unchecked power will spell the end of democracy in the United States.

Tactical Peek

(1,268 posts)

3. Luttig is guilty - of the 'No True Scotsman' fallacy.

Reply to Rhiannon12866 (Original post)

Fri Nov 1, 2024, 08:28 PM

Nov 1

No true Scotsman or appeal to purity is an informal fallacy in which one modifies a prior claim in response to a counterexample by asserting the counterexample is excluded by definition.[1][2][3] Rather than admitting error or providing evidence to disprove the counterexample, the original claim is changed by using a non-substantive modifier such as "true", "pure", "genuine", "authentic", "real", or other similar terms.[4][2]

Philosophy professor Bradley Dowden explains the fallacy as an "ad hoc rescue" of a refuted generalization attempt.[1] The following is a simplified rendition of the fallacy:[5]

Person A: "No Scotsman puts sugar on his porridge."
Person B: "But my uncle Angus is a Scotsman and he puts sugar on his porridge."
Person A: "But no true Scotsman puts sugar on his porridge."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman

The Republican Party is the national conservative party.

The Republican Party nominated Donald Trump for president three times, and elected him to office once, as a Republican.

Former president Donald Trump is today the leader of the Republican Party, a conservative Republican.

Wise up, Luttig.

BootinUp

(49,020 posts)

4. The Republican Party brought this shit on itself and on us.

Reply to Rhiannon12866 (Original post)

Fri Nov 1, 2024, 08:36 PM

Nov 1

Years and years of demagoguery and outright lies.

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