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Related: About this forumCanadian prime minister Justin Trudeau confirms Israeli prime minister
Benjamin Netanyahu and former defence minister Yoav Gallant will be arrested if they step foot in Canada after the ICCs decision to issue arrest warrants.
Link to tweet
montanacowboy
(6,312 posts)I love Trudeau
delisen
(6,516 posts)They are moving ahead of us for now. Trump will try to hurt them by threatening their economies and attacking their social progress.
orleans
(35,060 posts)delisen
(6,516 posts)Mexico also moving ahead on environmental issues while we seem to be moving backward.
orleans
(35,060 posts)ShazzieB
(18,756 posts)Figarosmom
(2,942 posts)Anytime he wants to visit. Likely will give him a State Dinner and Ball
MLWR
(10 posts)We aren't members of the ICC. Dumbya was in the same position and ...
Figarosmom
(2,942 posts)DENVERPOPS
(10,012 posts)have a ceremony, awarding him one of those medals like the one he gave Rush Limbaugh....
FirstLight
(14,216 posts)I thought that might be a thing. I don't have a passport but I might show up at the border and beg to be let in if things get really gnarly.... Lol
ReRe
(10,819 posts)I've been threatening to move to Canada for almost 25 years.
First when GW lied to get us into the war. I remember one time how he answered a question from the press about
our violation of International Law and he answered that the US wasn't a member of the ICC and that we
didn't care about no stinking ICC threat. I was shocked. I didn't know that the USA wasn't a member of the ICC!
The second time I threatened to head north was when you know who was elected the 1st time.
Justin's words are one more reason I would love to move north.
roamer65
(37,213 posts)Theyre up nearly 20 pts in the polls right now.
🤮
Pierre Poliviere will probably reverse this decision.
Lucky Luciano
(11,449 posts)DownriverDem
(6,661 posts)the Canadian border. Wish I could move there.
moniss
(5,921 posts)to arrest them. 125 countries currently are state members who are obligated by their acceptance of the ICC.
Dave Bowman
(3,674 posts)"Netanyahus office described the warrants as an antisemitic decision
equivalent to the modern Dreyfus trial, referring to the 1894 trial of a French artillery captain of Jewish descent that has become one of the most prominent examples of antisemitism.
Netanyahu added: Israel rejects with disgust the absurd and false actions and charges against it by the international criminal court, which is a biased and discriminatory political body."
Yeah, well cry me a river, wanted criminal.
https://www.theguardian.com/law/2024/nov/21/israel-politicians-condemn-icc-arrest-warrants-netanyahu-gallant
Aussie105
(6,318 posts)You are just picking on us, you lot of anti-Jew anti-Semitic heathens!
and:
There was a bad guy in that apartment building/school/hospital/refugee camp/ambulance convoy, so we blew it up, see!
Some others died too, what of it?
Are people anti-Semitic or just hate Jews?
Or just being humanitarians lamenting the loss of so many innocent lives?
Mosby
(17,522 posts)Why the ICC has never issued an arrest warrant for Erdogan or Assad?
It's because they aren't Jewish.
Russia and China vetoed ICCs attempt to charge Assad with war crimes. Syria is not a signatory to the treaty either.
Mosby
(17,522 posts)That didn't stop the ICC.
No country "vetoes" the ICC, they are independent from the UN SC.
This explains it:
Bringing an investigation of war crimes in Syria to the ICC is also complicated by the fact that, according to the Associated Press, Damascus does not recognize the courts jurisdiction and the Security Council has not referred the case to the court. Both Russia and China have twice now vetoed U.N. resolutions aimed at addressing the crackdown.
https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/article/why-hasnt-syrias-assad-been-labeled-a-war-criminal/
But the question should not be that Assad got away with it so we should too.
Beastly Boy
(11,204 posts)Or maybe not.
Humanitarianism is universal. You cannot be a humanitarian just a little bit.
When one is laser focused on blaming war crimes only coming from one side of one war, while neglecting to even acknowledge the war crimes in many other, more egregious, instances, is hardly a sign of humanitarianism.
Stopping at assigning blame and doing nothing else to address an issue is in itself, whatever the issue may be, arguably the case of being humanitarian just a little bit.
Other "isms" certainly come to mind.
enid602
(9,064 posts)And the irony is that Palestinians themselves are semites!
BuddhaGirl
(3,650 posts)artemisia1
(793 posts)Dave Bowman
(3,674 posts)artemisia1
(793 posts)support of Israel's actions in Gaza and the West Bank.
Beastly Boy
(11,204 posts)"They" are far from being one-dimentional villains you apparently paint "them" to be.
And apparently, you didn't pay attention to what "they" support. There are Israel's actions in Gaza "they" do not support. Tere are other actions in Gaza "they" do support. A clear distinction can easily be found between the two. And what "they" object to is the crude one-dimentionality of laying blame of all atrocities in Gaza on Israel.
These blatant displays of utter subjectivity is certain to make any rational discussion on what is at the root of these atrocities impossible, and I will be damned if I were to join the absurdity of the "humanitarian" chorus showing off their conspicuously narrow range of outrage.
Dave Bowman
(3,674 posts)Sucha NastyWoman
(2,901 posts)Im so envious.
Aussie105
(6,318 posts)Benji, we know you are having problems with your neighbors, but throwing bombs at them and blowing them up is probably not the smart way to get on with everyone.
Benji, please come to Canada so some can have a word with you!
Beastly Boy
(11,204 posts)who does play well with hostage takers.
NoMoreRepugs
(10,572 posts)Aussie105
(6,318 posts)who went from Europe to the Middle East during the crusades.
There's a few possibilities.
eg Order of St Michael.
CaptainTruth
(7,251 posts)Orrex
(64,161 posts)Yes, I know.
brush
(57,727 posts)denying food and water to Gaza, or just over retaliation by blowing it and it's inhabitants to smithereens?
AloeVera
(1,964 posts)Good for him and Canada.
I didn't like some of his actions and announcements on Gaza and Israel, but he has redeemed himself in my eyes.
He'll take so much flak for this from the Canadian right and the Israel lobby. I have to think it was a principled decision.
maspaha
(390 posts)🥰😍
MichMan
(13,300 posts)Is his entering Canada not a concern?
OTTAWA Prime Minister Justin Trudeau says Canada will abide by all rulings of the International Criminal Court, after the war crimes tribunal in The Hague issued arrest warrants for Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, his former defence minister, and a Hamas military chief.
https://www.thestar.com/politics/federal/justin-trudeau-says-canada-will-stand-up-for-international-law-after-court-issues-arrest-warrant/article_90d19768-a82c-11ef-b0d8-37caa7b6e9bd.html
Beastly Boy
(11,204 posts)Interesting, isn't it?
Passages
(1,177 posts)If I understand you correctly.
Meaning, I knew Hamas would never be removed from the ICC list nor that of Canada's government.
IMO, Bibi gets the attention in the headline b/c he is the PM and this has not ever occurred before.
Beastly Boy
(11,204 posts)Not a single poster here, other than yourself, suggested that they specifically focused on Netanyahu because he is the first head of state to be subject to arrest, or that this is unprecedented (something that would be the most legitimate reason to bring up for discussion in this context). Not even a mention that he is the PM. Not even a show of particular interest to the content of the OP. There are more speculations about which countries pledged to arrest him (to the exclusion of all other subjects of the same arrest warrant) than any other point of interest.
Certainly, there are not that many people here interested in the precedent being set.
Passages
(1,177 posts)When I first saw Trudeau's statement I was shocked. There is speculation as to why he decided to go this route, he initially expressed disapproval of the ICC going after Netanyahu.
But now today, I believe it was today...UK is stating the same cooperation. I was shocked by that too.
Beastly Boy
(11,204 posts)if Netanyahu stands trial. But that's trivial curiosity as far as realistic expectations go.
If there is any positive outcome to be expected out of this arrest warrant, it would be within Israel, as providing additional political ammunition to Netanyahu's detractors demonstrating by their tens of thousands on the streets of Tel Aviv and Jerusalem.
Passages
(1,177 posts)I can tell you one thing, many of the families of the hostages hate his guts.
Hostages families pitch tents outside PMs home, demand immediate deal
https://www.timesofisrael.com/hostages-families-pitch-tents-outside-pms-private-home-demand-immediate-deal/
Beastly Boy
(11,204 posts)What pisses me off to no end is that there is zero support for them from American and European "progressives".
Passages
(1,177 posts)There is no question as a group they have been marginalized but I would not agree they have no support.
The violence perpetrated by Hamas on October 7th, murdering more than 1,200 people and kidnapping hundreds of innocent men, women, and children, was a crime against humanity and an atrocity that will shock generations to come. It was the single deadliest day for Jewish people since the Holocaust. I have seen footage from that day. I will never forget it.
In the weeks after the attack, I met with hostage families whose loved ones were being held in Gaza. Their message to me and to the world was clear: we can save the hostages, secure a ceasefire, and stop the needless suffering of Israeli hostages and Palestinians alike.
https://ocasio-cortez.house.gov/media/press-releases/ocasio-cortez-statement-first-anniversary-october-7th
Beastly Boy
(11,204 posts)And they are neatly unanimous: they are shocked at how quickly the "progressives" turned on them and abandoned them on Oct 7. Most of them served in IDF, have children and grandchildren serving in IDF. And we have all been witness to the poisonous rhetoric circulating on the left regarding Israel and IDF as a bunch of war criminals deserving nothing but contempt.
Passages
(1,177 posts)Every prominent human rights group including an Israeli Holocaust scholar condemned the IDF due to Bibi's orders. If there is a trial, they will have the right to a defense....although I doubt there will be any such trial.
Beastly Boy
(11,204 posts)Yet the indiscriminate condemnations of all of the above are flying freely around DU, as well as other more prominent channels.
At the same time, little condemnation and lots of excuses are being offered with respect to perpetrators of similar crimes on the Palestinian (or Iranian, or Yemeni, or Lebanese) side.
Prairie_Seagull
(3,800 posts)Is this someone raising their hand?
Is what makes our president the LOFW just our military and nukes? Ok, and the economic conditions?
Isn't there a moral component???