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Canadian prime minister Justin Trudeau confirms Israeli prime minister (Original Post) Passages Nov 21 OP
Good for Canada montanacowboy Nov 21 #1
News from Canada and Mexico appreciated delisen Nov 21 #2
what is the news from mexico? nt orleans Nov 22 #27
Woman president, legal abortion going forward delisen Nov 22 #28
wow. thanks. nt orleans Nov 22 #29
Good forTrudeau, and good for Canada! ShazzieB Nov 21 #3
And trump will give him immunity here Figarosmom Nov 21 #4
. And trump will give him immunity here MLWR Nov 21 #9
You're right. Wasn't Chaney also included Figarosmom Nov 21 #11
And Trump will probably DENVERPOPS Nov 22 #31
Are they still taking Trump refugees? FirstLight Nov 21 #5
Just one more reason ReRe Nov 21 #6
Sad thing is the Conservatives will probably win next year's general election in Canada. roamer65 Nov 21 #7
Inflation has been an incumbent killer worldwide. Lucky Luciano Nov 21 #8
I live 10 miles from DownriverDem Nov 21 #10
Good for him and I put up in another post the list of countries obligated moniss Nov 21 #12
125 countries that are antisemitic, apparently. Dave Bowman Nov 21 #16
Standard responses: Aussie105 Nov 21 #21
How do you explain Mosby Nov 21 #25
Assad enid602 Nov 23 #52
Neither is Israel. Mosby Nov 23 #55
Assad enid602 Nov 23 #56
People can be both. Beastly Boy Nov 23 #37
Semites enid602 Nov 23 #53
Awesome BuddhaGirl Nov 21 #13
Good. A year ago DU was filled with Israel apologists. I'm glad this is much less so now. /nt artemisia1 Nov 21 #14
Some of them are still here and making some noise. Dave Bowman Nov 21 #19
Shame. I guess mass murder doesn't bother them. I literally had to leave DU for a year I was so disgusted by their artemisia1 Nov 21 #20
Mass murder bothers "them". Beastly Boy Nov 23 #38
Huh? artemisia1 Nov 23 #41
Yeah, peculiar word salad. Dave Bowman Nov 23 #51
I really like this guy, Justin Trudeau Sucha NastyWoman Nov 21 #15
Benji does not play well with others. Aussie105 Nov 21 #17
Show me a single Joe, or Abdel, or Abdullah, or Najib, or Tamir, or even Justin for that matter, Beastly Boy Nov 23 #39
Trump will give Bibi a medal probably. NoMoreRepugs Nov 21 #18
Yep - probably some medals given to the Knights Aussie105 Nov 21 #22
Along with GW Bush & Dick Cheney, if I recall correctly. CaptainTruth Nov 21 #23
Trump will pardon them. Orrex Nov 21 #24
Karma has a way of catching up with you. What is it now with Bibi... brush Nov 22 #26
My Prime Minister! AloeVera Nov 22 #30
Just when I thought I couldn't love Justin Trudeau more... maspaha Nov 22 #32
No mention by Trudeau of Hamas leader Mohammed Deif, who is also under an ICC arrest warrant MichMan Nov 22 #33
All Passages Nov 22 #36
You are the second one in this long thread, next to the poster you replied to who mentioned anyone other than Netanyahu. Beastly Boy Nov 23 #40
Not really. The information in the news briefs all included Hamas. Passages Nov 23 #42
I am talking about this thread. Beastly Boy Nov 23 #43
Ok, got ya. Passages Nov 23 #44
I am actually curious what would happen Beastly Boy Nov 23 #45
That would be one for the ages. Passages Nov 23 #46
There are many patriotic Jews and Arabs in the State of Israel who hate his guts. Beastly Boy Nov 23 #47
I wouldn't be so sure about that. Passages Nov 23 #48
I hear from Israeli leftists every once in a while Beastly Boy Nov 23 #49
The ICC found enough evidence to charge said players. Passages Nov 23 #50
None of them condemned Israel, or Israelis, or Zionists, or Israeli leftists. Beastly Boy Nov 23 #54
Many countries IMO will need a real leader in coming years. Prairie_Seagull Nov 22 #34
Good. He is a war criminal. Lock Him Up. Evolve Dammit Nov 22 #35

delisen

(6,516 posts)
2. News from Canada and Mexico appreciated
Thu Nov 21, 2024, 07:02 PM
Nov 21

They are moving ahead of us for now. Trump will try to hurt them by threatening their economies and attacking their social progress.

delisen

(6,516 posts)
28. Woman president, legal abortion going forward
Fri Nov 22, 2024, 09:06 AM
Nov 22

Mexico also moving ahead on environmental issues while we seem to be moving backward.

Figarosmom

(2,942 posts)
4. And trump will give him immunity here
Thu Nov 21, 2024, 07:09 PM
Nov 21

Anytime he wants to visit. Likely will give him a State Dinner and Ball

MLWR

(10 posts)
9. . And trump will give him immunity here
Thu Nov 21, 2024, 08:03 PM
Nov 21

We aren't members of the ICC. Dumbya was in the same position and ...

DENVERPOPS

(10,012 posts)
31. And Trump will probably
Fri Nov 22, 2024, 01:08 PM
Nov 22

have a ceremony, awarding him one of those medals like the one he gave Rush Limbaugh....

FirstLight

(14,216 posts)
5. Are they still taking Trump refugees?
Thu Nov 21, 2024, 07:42 PM
Nov 21

I thought that might be a thing. I don't have a passport but I might show up at the border and beg to be let in if things get really gnarly.... Lol

ReRe

(10,819 posts)
6. Just one more reason
Thu Nov 21, 2024, 07:45 PM
Nov 21

I've been threatening to move to Canada for almost 25 years.
First when GW lied to get us into the war. I remember one time how he answered a question from the press about
our violation of International Law and he answered that the US wasn't a member of the ICC and that we
didn't care about no stinking ICC threat. I was shocked. I didn't know that the USA wasn't a member of the ICC!
The second time I threatened to head north was when you know who was elected the 1st time.
Justin's words are one more reason I would love to move north.

roamer65

(37,213 posts)
7. Sad thing is the Conservatives will probably win next year's general election in Canada.
Thu Nov 21, 2024, 07:55 PM
Nov 21

They’re up nearly 20 pts in the polls right now.

🤮

Pierre Poliviere will probably reverse this decision.

moniss

(5,921 posts)
12. Good for him and I put up in another post the list of countries obligated
Thu Nov 21, 2024, 08:14 PM
Nov 21

to arrest them. 125 countries currently are state members who are obligated by their acceptance of the ICC.

Dave Bowman

(3,674 posts)
16. 125 countries that are antisemitic, apparently.
Thu Nov 21, 2024, 08:41 PM
Nov 21

"Netanyahu’s office described the warrants as “an antisemitic decision … equivalent to the modern Dreyfus trial”, referring to the 1894 trial of a French artillery captain of Jewish descent that has become one of the most prominent examples of antisemitism.

Netanyahu added: “Israel rejects with disgust the absurd and false actions and charges against it by the international criminal court, which is a biased and discriminatory political body.”"

Yeah, well cry me a river, wanted criminal.

https://www.theguardian.com/law/2024/nov/21/israel-politicians-condemn-icc-arrest-warrants-netanyahu-gallant

Aussie105

(6,318 posts)
21. Standard responses:
Thu Nov 21, 2024, 08:46 PM
Nov 21

You are just picking on us, you lot of anti-Jew anti-Semitic heathens!

and:

There was a bad guy in that apartment building/school/hospital/refugee camp/ambulance convoy, so we blew it up, see!
Some others died too, what of it?

Are people anti-Semitic or just hate Jews?
Or just being humanitarians lamenting the loss of so many innocent lives?

Mosby

(17,522 posts)
25. How do you explain
Thu Nov 21, 2024, 11:46 PM
Nov 21

Why the ICC has never issued an arrest warrant for Erdogan or Assad?

It's because they aren't Jewish.



enid602

(9,064 posts)
52. Assad
Sat Nov 23, 2024, 08:15 PM
Nov 23

Russia and China vetoed ICC’s attempt to charge Assad with war crimes. Syria is not a signatory to the treaty either.

Mosby

(17,522 posts)
55. Neither is Israel.
Sat Nov 23, 2024, 09:11 PM
Nov 23

That didn't stop the ICC.

No country "vetoes" the ICC, they are independent from the UN SC.

enid602

(9,064 posts)
56. Assad
Sat Nov 23, 2024, 09:36 PM
Nov 23

This explains it:
“Bringing an investigation of war crimes in Syria to the ICC is also complicated by the fact that, according to the Associated Press, “Damascus does not recognize the court’s jurisdiction and the Security Council has not referred the case to the court.” Both Russia and China have twice now vetoed U.N. resolutions aimed at addressing the crackdown.”

https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/article/why-hasnt-syrias-assad-been-labeled-a-war-criminal/

But the question should not be that Assad got away with it so we should too.

Beastly Boy

(11,204 posts)
37. People can be both.
Sat Nov 23, 2024, 02:30 PM
Nov 23

Or maybe not.

Humanitarianism is universal. You cannot be a humanitarian just a little bit.

When one is laser focused on blaming war crimes only coming from one side of one war, while neglecting to even acknowledge the war crimes in many other, more egregious, instances, is hardly a sign of humanitarianism.

Stopping at assigning blame and doing nothing else to address an issue is in itself, whatever the issue may be, arguably the case of being humanitarian just a little bit.

Other "isms" certainly come to mind.

artemisia1

(793 posts)
20. Shame. I guess mass murder doesn't bother them. I literally had to leave DU for a year I was so disgusted by their
Thu Nov 21, 2024, 08:44 PM
Nov 21

support of Israel's actions in Gaza and the West Bank.

Beastly Boy

(11,204 posts)
38. Mass murder bothers "them".
Sat Nov 23, 2024, 03:06 PM
Nov 23

"They" are far from being one-dimentional villains you apparently paint "them" to be.

And apparently, you didn't pay attention to what "they" support. There are Israel's actions in Gaza "they" do not support. Tere are other actions in Gaza "they" do support. A clear distinction can easily be found between the two. And what "they" object to is the crude one-dimentionality of laying blame of all atrocities in Gaza on Israel.

These blatant displays of utter subjectivity is certain to make any rational discussion on what is at the root of these atrocities impossible, and I will be damned if I were to join the absurdity of the "humanitarian" chorus showing off their conspicuously narrow range of outrage.

Aussie105

(6,318 posts)
17. Benji does not play well with others.
Thu Nov 21, 2024, 08:41 PM
Nov 21

Benji, we know you are having problems with your neighbors, but throwing bombs at them and blowing them up is probably not the smart way to get on with everyone.

Benji, please come to Canada so some can have a word with you!

Beastly Boy

(11,204 posts)
39. Show me a single Joe, or Abdel, or Abdullah, or Najib, or Tamir, or even Justin for that matter,
Sat Nov 23, 2024, 03:13 PM
Nov 23

who does play well with hostage takers.

Aussie105

(6,318 posts)
22. Yep - probably some medals given to the Knights
Thu Nov 21, 2024, 08:55 PM
Nov 21

who went from Europe to the Middle East during the crusades.

There's a few possibilities.

eg Order of St Michael.

brush

(57,727 posts)
26. Karma has a way of catching up with you. What is it now with Bibi...
Fri Nov 22, 2024, 02:35 AM
Nov 22

denying food and water to Gaza, or just over retaliation by blowing it and it's inhabitants to smithereens?

AloeVera

(1,964 posts)
30. My Prime Minister!
Fri Nov 22, 2024, 12:59 PM
Nov 22

Good for him and Canada.

I didn't like some of his actions and announcements on Gaza and Israel, but he has redeemed himself in my eyes.

He'll take so much flak for this from the Canadian right and the Israel lobby. I have to think it was a principled decision.

MichMan

(13,300 posts)
33. No mention by Trudeau of Hamas leader Mohammed Deif, who is also under an ICC arrest warrant
Fri Nov 22, 2024, 03:39 PM
Nov 22

Is his entering Canada not a concern?

Passages

(1,177 posts)
36. All
Fri Nov 22, 2024, 06:23 PM
Nov 22

OTTAWA — Prime Minister Justin Trudeau says Canada will abide by all rulings of the International Criminal Court, after the war crimes tribunal in The Hague issued arrest warrants for Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, his former defence minister, and a Hamas military chief.
https://www.thestar.com/politics/federal/justin-trudeau-says-canada-will-stand-up-for-international-law-after-court-issues-arrest-warrant/article_90d19768-a82c-11ef-b0d8-37caa7b6e9bd.html

Beastly Boy

(11,204 posts)
40. You are the second one in this long thread, next to the poster you replied to who mentioned anyone other than Netanyahu.
Sat Nov 23, 2024, 03:16 PM
Nov 23

Interesting, isn't it?

Passages

(1,177 posts)
42. Not really. The information in the news briefs all included Hamas.
Sat Nov 23, 2024, 03:49 PM
Nov 23

If I understand you correctly.

Meaning, I knew Hamas would never be removed from the ICC list nor that of Canada's government.

IMO, Bibi gets the attention in the headline b/c he is the PM and this has not ever occurred before.

Beastly Boy

(11,204 posts)
43. I am talking about this thread.
Sat Nov 23, 2024, 05:08 PM
Nov 23

Not a single poster here, other than yourself, suggested that they specifically focused on Netanyahu because he is the first head of state to be subject to arrest, or that this is unprecedented (something that would be the most legitimate reason to bring up for discussion in this context). Not even a mention that he is the PM. Not even a show of particular interest to the content of the OP. There are more speculations about which countries pledged to arrest him (to the exclusion of all other subjects of the same arrest warrant) than any other point of interest.

Certainly, there are not that many people here interested in the precedent being set.

Passages

(1,177 posts)
44. Ok, got ya.
Sat Nov 23, 2024, 05:29 PM
Nov 23

When I first saw Trudeau's statement I was shocked. There is speculation as to why he decided to go this route, he initially expressed disapproval of the ICC going after Netanyahu.

But now today, I believe it was today...UK is stating the same cooperation. I was shocked by that too.

Beastly Boy

(11,204 posts)
45. I am actually curious what would happen
Sat Nov 23, 2024, 05:55 PM
Nov 23

if Netanyahu stands trial. But that's trivial curiosity as far as realistic expectations go.

If there is any positive outcome to be expected out of this arrest warrant, it would be within Israel, as providing additional political ammunition to Netanyahu's detractors demonstrating by their tens of thousands on the streets of Tel Aviv and Jerusalem.

Passages

(1,177 posts)
46. That would be one for the ages.
Sat Nov 23, 2024, 06:07 PM
Nov 23

I can tell you one thing, many of the families of the hostages hate his guts.

Hostages’ families pitch tents outside PM’s home, demand immediate deal
https://www.timesofisrael.com/hostages-families-pitch-tents-outside-pms-private-home-demand-immediate-deal/

Beastly Boy

(11,204 posts)
47. There are many patriotic Jews and Arabs in the State of Israel who hate his guts.
Sat Nov 23, 2024, 06:15 PM
Nov 23

What pisses me off to no end is that there is zero support for them from American and European "progressives".

Passages

(1,177 posts)
48. I wouldn't be so sure about that.
Sat Nov 23, 2024, 06:41 PM
Nov 23

There is no question as a group they have been marginalized but I would not agree they have no support.

“The violence perpetrated by Hamas on October 7th, murdering more than 1,200 people and kidnapping hundreds of innocent men, women, and children, was a crime against humanity and an atrocity that will shock generations to come. It was the single deadliest day for Jewish people since the Holocaust. I have seen footage from that day. I will never forget it.

“In the weeks after the attack, I met with hostage families whose loved ones were being held in Gaza. Their message to me and to the world was clear: we can save the hostages, secure a ceasefire, and stop the needless suffering of Israeli hostages and Palestinians alike.
https://ocasio-cortez.house.gov/media/press-releases/ocasio-cortez-statement-first-anniversary-october-7th

Beastly Boy

(11,204 posts)
49. I hear from Israeli leftists every once in a while
Sat Nov 23, 2024, 06:53 PM
Nov 23

And they are neatly unanimous: they are shocked at how quickly the "progressives" turned on them and abandoned them on Oct 7. Most of them served in IDF, have children and grandchildren serving in IDF. And we have all been witness to the poisonous rhetoric circulating on the left regarding Israel and IDF as a bunch of war criminals deserving nothing but contempt.

Passages

(1,177 posts)
50. The ICC found enough evidence to charge said players.
Sat Nov 23, 2024, 07:02 PM
Nov 23

Every prominent human rights group including an Israeli Holocaust scholar condemned the IDF due to Bibi's orders. If there is a trial, they will have the right to a defense....although I doubt there will be any such trial.

Beastly Boy

(11,204 posts)
54. None of them condemned Israel, or Israelis, or Zionists, or Israeli leftists.
Sat Nov 23, 2024, 09:01 PM
Nov 23

Yet the indiscriminate condemnations of all of the above are flying freely around DU, as well as other more prominent channels.

At the same time, little condemnation and lots of excuses are being offered with respect to perpetrators of similar crimes on the Palestinian (or Iranian, or Yemeni, or Lebanese) side.

Prairie_Seagull

(3,800 posts)
34. Many countries IMO will need a real leader in coming years.
Fri Nov 22, 2024, 04:54 PM
Nov 22

Is this someone raising their hand?

Is what makes our president the LOFW just our military and nukes? Ok, and the economic conditions?

Isn't there a moral component???

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