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Rhiannon12866

(222,883 posts)
Sat Nov 23, 2024, 10:20 PM Nov 23

Conservatives want to 'blow up' the separation of church & state - Velshi - MSNBC



Oklahoma School Superintendent Ryan Walters announced the newly formed “Office of Religious Liberty and Patriotism.” It follows his agency’s purchase of more than 500 Trump-edition Bibles for use in Advanced Placement Government courses.

The move is part of a broader campaign by conservatives to infuse Christian nationalism into public schools, in violation of the First Amendment's Establishment Clause. Conservative Christian groups like the Alliance for Defending Freedom– which helped overturn Roe V. Wade – are behind several cases involving the role of religion in schools.

Christian nationalists under a second Trump term want “to blow up the separation of church and state,” says Professor Melissa Murray– and all of these cases are “headed to the Supreme Court.” - Aired on 11/23/2024.

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Conservatives want to 'blow up' the separation of church & state - Velshi - MSNBC (Original Post) Rhiannon12866 Nov 23 OP
This is another FAFO for them if they succeed. Gore1FL Nov 23 #1
They want to turn this country into a Taliban state. Nope. 📎 Deuxcents Nov 23 #2
Trump Edition Bibles, the purchase thereof BOSSHOG Nov 23 #3
Just the beginning of the blatant and undemocratic policies enacted under TFG Rhiannon12866 Nov 23 #5
Nothing CONSERVATIVE about that! elleng Nov 23 #4
They need to understand. The Madcap Nov 23 #6
How "Ministry of Truth" is that name ? "Office of Religious Liberty" whose only purpose is to destroy the same. eppur_se_muova Nov 24 #7

Gore1FL

(21,931 posts)
1. This is another FAFO for them if they succeed.
Sat Nov 23, 2024, 10:26 PM
Nov 23

The last thing Christians want is for me and people like me to particpate in their ceremonies.

BOSSHOG

(40,015 posts)
3. Trump Edition Bibles, the purchase thereof
Sat Nov 23, 2024, 10:38 PM
Nov 23

(To get an appointment by aforementioned trump to some flunky job steeped in the basis of religious intolerance)

Trump bibles weighted heavily towards Sodom and Gomorrah. And lies and felony convictions and the gratuitous use of patriotism to dupe the rubes.

Ryan Walter’s is a shameless pathetic human being. Who knows not of freedom but enjoys what he thinks it is.

THERE IS NO ROLE OF RELIGION IN (PUBLIC) SCHOOLS. Only in the minds of those who have no use for freedom. I’d ask Mr Walter’s to think about it, but Mr Walters does not think. He only reacts to stimuli he exposes himself to.


Rhiannon12866

(222,883 posts)
5. Just the beginning of the blatant and undemocratic policies enacted under TFG
Sat Nov 23, 2024, 11:20 PM
Nov 23

When I was in the very early grades, we said "the school prayer" every day along with the Pledge. All I remember was the end, "our parents, our teachers and our country." I remember it being all that religious. But then, when I was still in elementary school, "the school prayer" was replaced by "a moment of silence," when we kids we told we could pray if we wanted. Then that disappeared and nobody missed it, it was confusing.

So now they're bringing actual religion into public school classrooms?! I'm guessing that some legislation was enacted when I was in elementary school that considered the wish for "our parents, our teachers and our country" crossed the line between church and state, so now they're bringing in actual Bibles?! Where's the legislation now?!

If parents wanted religion in the classroom, they can send their kids to a religious or parochial school. We had required religion classes and daily chapel at my boarding school, but parents knew what they were getting into by sending their kids there. And it's not like TFG is in the least religious, his version of the Bible is just one more grifting money-making scheme for him. Joe Biden is Catholic, but we rarely hear about it, it's personal, as it should be.

The Madcap

(478 posts)
6. They need to understand.
Sat Nov 23, 2024, 11:24 PM
Nov 23

That belief can't be forced. All you end up with is people who pretend and will seek revenge when the time is right.

eppur_se_muova

(37,501 posts)
7. How "Ministry of Truth" is that name ? "Office of Religious Liberty" whose only purpose is to destroy the same.
Sun Nov 24, 2024, 03:46 AM
Nov 24

And, of course, about the most UNpatriotic thing anyone could do.

Uglicans just don't notice their own cognitive dissonance. Or they think it's God speaking to them in their heads. (Spoiler: It's not God. It's not even anyone on that team.)

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