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Uncle Joe

(60,531 posts)
Thu Jan 9, 2025, 01:48 PM Jan 9

L.A. Fires Should Be a Climate Wake-Up Call: 5 Dead, 130K+ Evacuated in Uncontained Apocalypse



Raging wildfires continue to scorch communities across the Los Angeles area, killing at least five people, displacing about 100,000 more and destroying thousands of structures. With firefighters unable to contain much of the blaze, the toll is expected to rise. The wildfires that started Tuesday caught much of the city by surprise, quickly growing into one of the worst fire disasters in Los Angeles history. Mayor Karen Bass and the City Council have come under criticism for cutting the fire department's budget by around 2% last year while the police department saw a funding increase. Nearly 400 incarcerated firefighters are among those who have been deployed to battle the fires. Journalist Sonali Kolhatkar, who evacuated her home to flee the destruction, says it has been "frustrating" to watch the corporate media's coverage of the fires. "No one is talking about climate change in the media," she says. We also speak with journalist John Vaillant, author of _Fire Weather: On the Front Lines of a Burning World_, who says the L.A. wildfires should be a wake-up call. "This blind — frankly, suicidal — loyalty to the status quo of keeping fossil fuels preeminent in our energy system is creating an increasingly difficult situation and unlivable situation," says Vaillant.

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L.A. Fires Should Be a Climate Wake-Up Call: 5 Dead, 130K+ Evacuated in Uncontained Apocalypse (Original Post) Uncle Joe Jan 9 OP
400 incarcerated firefighters?? bucolic_frolic Jan 9 #1
Yes, I was alarmed there are so many criminal firefighters! AloeVera Jan 9 #2
Not really humorous Cirsium Jan 9 #5
I agree with you there. Nothing funny about prison labour.. AloeVera Jan 9 #9
Thanks Cirsium Jan 9 #11
Incarcerated Workers Cirsium Jan 9 #3
slavery Be Leave On Jan 9 #10
Alabama Cirsium Jan 9 #12
How many millions of tons of carbon Unladen Swallow Jan 9 #4
Trump blames Newsom,... Eyeball_Kid Jan 9 #6
The Republicans seemed to be arguing opposite sides of the issue. Uncle Joe Jan 9 #7
This message was self-deleted by its author onecaliberal Jan 9 #8
If you haven't read "Fire Weather" by John Vailliant (featured in the video) you should . . . hatrack Jan 9 #13

bucolic_frolic

(48,357 posts)
1. 400 incarcerated firefighters??
Thu Jan 9, 2025, 01:51 PM
Jan 9

400 firefighters are in jail? I think they mean inmates are augmenting the number of firefighters.

AloeVera

(2,169 posts)
2. Yes, I was alarmed there are so many criminal firefighters!
Thu Jan 9, 2025, 01:59 PM
Jan 9

You are correct, of course.

Though I hope the inmates received at least SOME training. It's dangerous work.

Cirsium

(1,590 posts)
5. Not really humorous
Thu Jan 9, 2025, 02:07 PM
Jan 9

Prison labor is a horrific ongoing and widespread abuse of human rights.

AloeVera

(2,169 posts)
9. I agree with you there. Nothing funny about prison labour..
Thu Jan 9, 2025, 02:57 PM
Jan 9

The whole idea of using inmates to fight dangerous wildfires that likely they had no or minimal training for demonsttes how little human rights they are accorded.

But mea culpa. My little "joke" was not appropriate here.

Cirsium

(1,590 posts)
3. Incarcerated Workers
Thu Jan 9, 2025, 02:05 PM
Jan 9

Yes, incarcerated firefighters is the term commonly used. I would hope that you would have as much of an issue with the practice as you do with the terminology.

From Fighting Wildfires to Digging Graves, Incarcerated Workers Face Danger on the Job

Incarcerated people comprise 30 percent of all wildland firefighting crews in California. The firefighters’ job is to clear areas surrounding a wildfire using chainsaws and hand tools, such as axes and rakes, to starve the fire of fuel. The work is as dangerous as it sounds; compared to other firefighters, incarcerated people fighting wildfires are four times more likely to sustain physical injuries—like cuts, bruises, dislocations, and fractures—and eight times more likely to suffer from the effects of smoke inhalation.

...

While incarcerated California firefighters choose to work, many other incarcerated workers are not allowed a choice at all. The 13th Amendment ended slavery in the United States, but a loophole allows people convicted of crimes to be forced to work. In some states, prison officials can force people in their custody to work for nothing. Yet, even in states that do offer pay, like California, the wages offered are often shockingly low. Each year, states extract an estimated $11 billion in goods and services from the labor of incarcerated people who are paid little or nothing, often in unsafe conditions. Sixty-four percent of people working behind bars say that they fear for their safety, and 70 percent say they have not received formal training.

Incarcerated firefighters have some of the highest rates of injury among all prison workers, but they are far from the only people in prisons working incredibly dangerous jobs for meager pay.

https://www.vera.org/news/from-fighting-wildfires-to-digging-graves-incarcerated-workers-face-danger-on-the-job

Be Leave On

(29 posts)
10. slavery
Thu Jan 9, 2025, 03:31 PM
Jan 9

Slavery was outlawed in the USA, except in the cases of convicted prisoners.
All slavery should be abolished.

Cirsium

(1,590 posts)
12. Alabama
Thu Jan 9, 2025, 03:46 PM
Jan 9
Fast Food Chains Use Forced Prison Labor in Alabama — and Workers Are Often Denied Parole

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Eyeball_Kid

(7,604 posts)
6. Trump blames Newsom,...
Thu Jan 9, 2025, 02:16 PM
Jan 9

which, in a more rational universe, should be enough to certify Trump as a psychiatric poster boy. Instead, we'll have to pretend that the jury is still out, global warming is a communist plot, and the GOP is saturated with the ideological descendants of Thomas Jefferson and Henry Clay. These next four years will be like nothing anyone has ever seen or expected-- unless Trump goes lifeless with a stroke or aneurysm, which would be greeted world-wide with joy and celebration. We should be so lucky.

Uncle Joe

(60,531 posts)
7. The Republicans seemed to be arguing opposite sides of the issue.
Thu Jan 9, 2025, 02:25 PM
Jan 9

On the one hand they contend that 6+ billion people burning fossil fuels 24/7 can't possibly have an impact on the climate and eco-systems.

On the other they claim that "Democrats are controlling the weather."

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2024/10/10/government-controls-weather-marjorie-taylor-greene-conspiracy/75607365007/

Apparently we have the power to control the weather, but not Congress.

Furthermore, don't look for your answers to Zuckerberg owned Facebook, he doesn't believe in truth, just greed and power.

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hatrack

(61,634 posts)
13. If you haven't read "Fire Weather" by John Vailliant (featured in the video) you should . . .
Thu Jan 9, 2025, 10:30 PM
Jan 9

Brilliant reporting and absolutely chilling. And it's about the Fort McMurray fire, which was 9 years ago, and took out most of a city of 100,000 people, along with 1.5 million acres of boreal forest.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Fort_McMurray_wildfire

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