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Rhiannon12866

(249,328 posts)
Wed Jan 29, 2025, 07:20 PM Jan 2025

'How the F--- did we get here': Nicolle Wallace unpacks RFK Jr.'s shocking confirmation hearing - Deadline - MSNBC



Tim Miller, former RNC spokesperson, joins Nicolle Wallace on Deadline: White House with reaction to Robert F. Kennedy Jr.’s first confirmation hearing on Capitol Hill which exposed him as deeply unqualified and truly only well versed on conspiracy theories that are way out of the mainstream on issues like vaccines and abortion. - Aired on 01/29/2025.
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'How the F--- did we get here': Nicolle Wallace unpacks RFK Jr.'s shocking confirmation hearing - Deadline - MSNBC (Original Post) Rhiannon12866 Jan 2025 OP
i really can't second guess rfk's opinion that rampartd Jan 2025 #1
Well said, not to mention that TFG couldn't get an actual job at McDonald's as a convicted felon. Rhiannon12866 Jan 2025 #2
Having been married 40 years to a recovering alcoholic, soldierant Jan 2025 #3
I've been on about every antidepressant. Never done heroin. kerry-is-my-prez Jan 2025 #7
Yes, the woman I mentioned - soldierant Jan 2025 #10
Citizens United is one reason. LisaM Jan 2025 #4
I would bet a tidy sum soldierant Jan 2025 #5
And according to Liz Cheney's book, the same with TFG's second impeachment, if only it had been an anonymous vote Rhiannon12866 Jan 2025 #6
We got here back when the Grand Fascist Party decided to mainstream anti-vaxxers--a group that has been on the absolute Karasu Jan 2025 #8
Me thinks Junior KT2000 Jan 2025 #9

rampartd

(3,577 posts)
1. i really can't second guess rfk's opinion that
Wed Jan 29, 2025, 07:37 PM
Jan 2025

it is easier to get off of heroin than antidepressants. i have very little experience with either.

the fact that we are considering all these people who could not pass the urinalysis required of every convenience store clerk in america is stunning.

Rhiannon12866

(249,328 posts)
2. Well said, not to mention that TFG couldn't get an actual job at McDonald's as a convicted felon.
Wed Jan 29, 2025, 08:17 PM
Jan 2025

soldierant

(9,254 posts)
3. Having been married 40 years to a recovering alcoholic,
Wed Jan 29, 2025, 09:24 PM
Jan 2025

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and having attended a bunch of open AA meetings, I can say that I have met one peson who was additcied to heroin (as well as alcohol and cigarettes.) When I met her she was clean of all of them, and was cleas that of the three, the cigarettes were the hardest to escape from. I smoked cigarettes myself for a number of years, and I can certainly say that getting off them was the hardest thing I have done in my life. But that's the only substance I personally can speak to

I suppose it's not impossible that there might be someone, somewhere, who would have more issues quitting an anti-depressant (a particular one - they aren't all chemically the same) than heroin, but I really doubt it.

kerry-is-my-prez

(10,200 posts)
7. I've been on about every antidepressant. Never done heroin.
Wed Jan 29, 2025, 09:37 PM
Jan 2025

It’s a bit rough to for 2-3 days when going off a lot if them, you could feel a little crazy or weepy. Your doctor has a duty to warn you if go off of it otherwise you will wonder WTH you’re going off through. Prozac has no bad withdrawal symptoms. I’m a psychiatric social worker along with working in substance abuse so I have a lot of exposure (literally and figuratively) to antidepressants and substance use addictions. You do not have long term withdrawal symptoms from any antidepressants that I’m aware of, unlike heroin. I have never heard of someone that has been addicted to an antidepressant, unlike heroin. You are very lucky if you can “quit” heroin - not a lot of people can stay away from it - which does NOT happen with an antidepressant.


Heroin withdrawal symptoms

Short term:

Fast pulse.
Increased breathing rate.
Increased blood pressure.
Elevated body temperature.
Sleep disturbances such as insomnia.
Dilated pupils.
Unusually heightened reflexes.
Sweating.
Goosebumps (“piloerection”).
Watery discharge from eyes and nose.
Muscle spasms, cramps, and/or pain.
Bone pain.
Nausea and/or vomiting.
Diarrhea.

Long term:

Anxiety.
Depression.
Sleep disturbances.
Continued fatigue.
A general sense of feeling down or emotionally dull (dysphoria).
Loss of interest or pleasure in activities previously enjoyed (anhedonia).
Irritability.
Short-term memory problems.
Decreased attention, impaired concertation, and difficulty making decisions.
Drug craving.

soldierant

(9,254 posts)
10. Yes, the woman I mentioned -
Wed Jan 29, 2025, 10:19 PM
Jan 2025

Laura was her name - made quite an impression on me. To get free from all three f those - that's an achievement which deserves some kind of medal.

LisaM

(29,465 posts)
4. Citizens United is one reason.
Wed Jan 29, 2025, 09:26 PM
Jan 2025

A greatest hit from the administration she was part of. Unlimited ads from dark money.

soldierant

(9,254 posts)
5. I would bet a tidy sum
Wed Jan 29, 2025, 09:27 PM
Jan 2025

that if the Senate could vote on these nominees by secret ballot, none of them would have been confirmed - and this one certainly wouldn't be.

Rhiannon12866

(249,328 posts)
6. And according to Liz Cheney's book, the same with TFG's second impeachment, if only it had been an anonymous vote
Wed Jan 29, 2025, 09:37 PM
Jan 2025

But those in Congress, and their families, were threatened - and we know that the same thing is happening with Senate approval of TFG's nominees.

Karasu

(2,003 posts)
8. We got here back when the Grand Fascist Party decided to mainstream anti-vaxxers--a group that has been on the absolute
Wed Jan 29, 2025, 09:43 PM
Jan 2025

fringes of society for decades--during a fucking pandemic.

KT2000

(21,905 posts)
9. Me thinks Junior
Wed Jan 29, 2025, 10:03 PM
Jan 2025

is not used to being challenged. Sure would hate to work for him. At the least, adorations would be required.

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