In the clip where Joe is meeting with the moron. I saw this before and I am glad I saw it again because it reaffirms what I saw the first time.

Mary is misinterpreting what is going on in this interchange. Joe is in control, not trump. Joe knows something that he is not revealing verbally. Here’s how you can see this yourself: note the position each is in on the chair.

Who leans over to whom?

Who stays stationary on the chair?

Who gives themself a good deal of room on the chair?

Who acts awkward toward the end of the exchange?

Joe knows something that puts him in control.

In interpreting communication, nonverbal tells twice as much as verbal.

I will watch again, but the felon sits forward in the chair like he's taking a dump.

I hope you are right about who's in control.