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Marc Elias answers the question "Was there fraud in this election?" (Original Post) Fiendish Thingy Saturday OP
I'm not sure NJCher Saturday #1
Spoonamore is a kook and a crank and a nutjob. Fiendish Thingy Saturday #2
That is not my understanding of NJCher Saturday #3
The burden of proof lies with Spoonamore Fiendish Thingy Sunday #5
The possibility of Spoonamore being a "kook" would be a very important apect to all this.... Think. Again. Sunday #7
Fiendish Thingy I admire your trust in our election systems Blue Owl Saturday #4
My take is Trump's comments are not evidence of election fraud. Fiendish Thingy Sunday #6
Elias seemed to lean more heavily on his need for us simply to not question any election.... Think. Again. Sunday #8

NJCher

(37,864 posts)
1. I'm not sure
Sat Nov 16, 2024, 09:50 PM
Saturday

He satisfactorily answered my question. I am going to have to go over the Duty letters again and then listen to this again.

Is it possible he has not read the Spoonamore Duty letter or is he simply saying that may change when all votes are in? And specifically, are all votes in the swing states in?

I can see that Brian put a good deal of thought into his questions and I appreciate that. He needed to pin Elias down on the anomalies, though, and he didn’t do that.

Fiendish Thingy

(18,506 posts)
2. Spoonamore is a kook and a crank and a nutjob.
Sat Nov 16, 2024, 09:59 PM
Saturday

I’m sure Elias is aware of Spoonamore’s CT, but being the intelligent, rational, reality based person he is, he dismissed it as kooky nonsense, because it is.

NJCher

(37,864 posts)
3. That is not my understanding of
Sat Nov 16, 2024, 10:09 PM
Saturday

Spoonamore. Please provide me with sources that say he is a kook and a nut job.

Also, while you’re at it, why does Spoonamore’s letter have similar points to the other Duty letter? The authors of that letter are not kooks and cranks. So explain that one, too, please.

It’s easy to call names; it’s not so easy substantiate those claims. Let’s see how you do.

I’ll be waiting for your answer.

Fiendish Thingy

(18,506 posts)
5. The burden of proof lies with Spoonamore
Sun Nov 17, 2024, 12:20 AM
Sunday

And so far, no serious person, including Elias, is taking him seriously.

Because he is a kook, trolling for clickbait revenue.

I see little difference between being duped into going down a Spoonamore rabbit hole, and falling for QAnonsense.

Think. Again.

(17,901 posts)
7. The possibility of Spoonamore being a "kook" would be a very important apect to all this....
Sun Nov 17, 2024, 04:57 AM
Sunday

Can you please elaborate on that?

Evidence has been a big part of this discussion, rightfully so, can you provide this important evidence on Spoonamore's known history please?

Blue Owl

(54,726 posts)
4. Fiendish Thingy I admire your trust in our election systems
Sat Nov 16, 2024, 11:41 PM
Saturday

I wish I had your level of faith. Just curious, what is your take on Trump’s claims leading up to the election — claims like “we have the votes already” and “you won’t have to vote again after this election”? I am trying to make sense of what those claims meant if there were no way he could cheat the system….

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Fiendish Thingy

(18,506 posts)
6. My take is Trump's comments are not evidence of election fraud.
Sun Nov 17, 2024, 12:30 AM
Sunday

And that immersing oneself in this conspiracy theory is just avoiding the painful reality that Trump won this election.

The US will be faced with multiple imminent challenges, none of which will have anything to do with these CT’s.

Think. Again.

(17,901 posts)
8. Elias seemed to lean more heavily on his need for us simply to not question any election....
Sun Nov 17, 2024, 05:04 AM
Sunday

...which makes me think that's extremely important to him.

I personally don't agree that just accepting any first-count outcome is more important than getting the outcome results right in the first place.

I think this video would have been far more convincing if Elias had been able to address the actual anamolies, rather than just repeating that we shouldn't ask any questions becuase rightwingers once did that.

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