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dsc

(52,776 posts)
Tue Jan 21, 2025, 07:25 PM Jan 21

We lost but we shouldn't totally panic

First, in my lifetime we have lost way worse than this several times. In 1972 we lost 49 states and by 20 points. In 1980 we lost 44 states and by 10. In 1984 we lost 49 states and by 19 points. In 1988 we lost 40 states and lost by 7. Those were real losses that necessitated vast changes in strategy to recover from. This loss wasn't that. We were an incumbent party at a time that being one was a bad idea. In comparison to incumbents in nearly every other country, our loss was minimal.

In short, we don't need a complete rebuild. At least not for the President. The fact is for President, I think we should be at least slight favorites in 4 years all things being equal.

Our real structural problem is the Senate. We have no seats in states carried by Trump all three times. Those states have 50 seats. If take out NC, which was competitive all three times, that falls to 48. Currently that makes our ceiling for the Senate 52 seats unless we find a way to win seats in states we aren't competitive in for President. That is the problem we need to solve. It wasn't that long ago, that we had Senators in states we had no real prayer of winning at the Presidential level. We held all four of the Dakota seats for several years despite not winning those states at the Presidential level in my lifetime.

We need to figure out how to win some of these seats. We can't depend on running the table in every possible state to get to a bare majority. Again, we actually nearly ran the table in those seats to get where we are now. The only seats we don't have in those states are Collins in ME, McCormack in PA, Johnson in WI, and both NC seats. Going forward we need to find states we can win Senate seats in and target them. Preferably reasonably cheap ones. My suggestions would be Kansas, Alaska, Montana (a Tester comeback), and maybe Nebraska. That is some thin gruel but it has to start somewhere.

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bucolic_frolic

(48,366 posts)
1. That assumes Congress is still meeting in 4 years
Tue Jan 21, 2025, 07:28 PM
Jan 21

After today, I don't know if I'd place even money on it.

OAITW r.2.0

(29,263 posts)
2. Perhaps, in 4 years, the voters that knee-jerk vote against Democrats....
Tue Jan 21, 2025, 07:43 PM
Jan 21

will find a new appreciation for checks and balances. They think they just voted for Trump, but they are going to see there are no checks today on whatever hare-brained idea that will become "law".

WarGamer

(16,159 posts)
4. Politics is the process of selling something.
Tue Jan 21, 2025, 08:04 PM
Jan 21

If you can't sell it... change the salesman or sell a different product

everyonematters

(3,646 posts)
6. We can continue the way we are going and trade elections with the Republicans, or
Tue Jan 21, 2025, 08:54 PM
Jan 21

we can start relating better with everyday working families. If we can do that, we could bury the GOP for at least a decade.

NewHendoLib

(60,793 posts)
7. What makes this difference is the vast right wing noise machine and social networking.
Tue Jan 21, 2025, 09:34 PM
Jan 21

To me, this is worse - much worse than the examples you post of previous bad shit.

EdmondDantes_

(241 posts)
8. At the national level that's true, but I think it starts lower than that
Tue Jan 21, 2025, 11:12 PM
Jan 21

We need to be able to win in local races too. That gives us a deeper pool of candidates to bubble up to run for Senate. Then we fall in love with someone because they are running against Cruz or McConnell and throw enormous amounts of money at likely futile races instead of supporting candidates who need far fewer votes to win a state house or Senate race.

cliffside

(611 posts)
9. Great suggestion ... November 3, 2026 - 2026 United States Senate elections ...
Tue Jan 21, 2025, 11:50 PM
Jan 21
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2026_United_States_Senate_elections

"The 2026 United States Senate elections are scheduled to be held on November 3, 2026, with 33 of the 100 seats in the Senate being contested in regular elections, the winners of which will serve six-year terms in the United States Congress from January 3, 2027, to January 3, 2033. Senators are divided into three groups, or classes, whose terms are staggered so that a different class is elected every two years. Class 2 senators were last elected in 2020 and will be up for election in this cycle.

Two special elections will be held, one in Ohio will be held to fill the remaining two years of JD Vance's term following his election to the vice presidency, and one in Florida to fill the remaining two years of Marco Rubio's term after his nomination as the United States Secretary of State was confirmed. With the election of John Thune as leader of the Republican Conference, this will be the first election year since 2006 in which the Republicans are not led by Mitch McConnell..."

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