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LauraInLA

(1,688 posts)
Thu Jan 30, 2025, 12:08 AM Thursday

Switch from Gmail (stealing our data) to Proton Mail (encrypted) -- safer for activism?

It’s not difficult, and it’s one way to decouple from the machine. Using Signal for texts is another. Especially if we’re going to be doing any protesting, I like the idea of secure communication. What do you all think?

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LearnedHand

(4,399 posts)
1. I did this a couple years ago
Thu Jan 30, 2025, 12:12 AM
Thursday

I pay for the mail plus account so I can use email aliases as well, but people who just need one email address can just go with the free account. They have a decent mobile app and an okay desktop app. I'm very happy with their service.

LearnedHand

(4,399 posts)
2. On and absolutely it's safe for activism, as is Signal
Thu Jan 30, 2025, 12:15 AM
Thursday

When it came out that the major telecoms had been hacked recently Biden's FBI recommended that everyone move to Signal or similar for Android-to-iOS texting. I really like Signal. You can also do cross-platform video calls with it. And Proton Mail is encrypted end to end as well. It's a good choice.

LearnedHand

(4,399 posts)
4. It's a 3rd-party messsging app similar to what you use on your phone now
Thu Jan 30, 2025, 12:24 AM
Thursday

You just install it for the App Store and sign up with your phone number. You will then appear in the directory for your friends already signed up for Signal. So if you have an iPhone, you open Signal for texting and video calls rather than iMessage or FaceTime.

Edit: Signal messages are encrypted end to end, and for activism they have so cool security features like "disappearing messages" (I.e., an auto self destruct).

AllyCat

(17,417 posts)
7. It is really easy to use. I just downloaded the app and
Thu Jan 30, 2025, 07:02 AM
Thursday

Invited the contacts I wanted to use it with.

msfiddlestix

(7,966 posts)
9. Wait. What? So the FBI recommended these alternatives? Setting cheese in the mousetrap, wasn't that easy!
Thu Jan 30, 2025, 12:34 PM
Thursday

no need to filter through gazillion data bytes to collect identification of left activists .
F47 has his hired goons in charge and we just wave a flag in advance of the demonstrations? r
cage everyone up before they even leave home.
I think a different alternative not suggested by his goons would be a better way to go.

imo.

dickthegrouch

(3,864 posts)
6. Use Apple's "hide my email" too
Thu Jan 30, 2025, 12:42 AM
Thursday

Excellent choices/ideas.
Hide my email creates a per-site email address which forwards all the mail it receives to your regular email, hiding anything that uses your actual name from the site.

usonian

(15,540 posts)
8. Proton is not without controversy.
Thu Jan 30, 2025, 10:45 AM
Thursday

CEO kissing orange keister.


Good:
https://proton.me/blog/trump-controls-nsa-fbi
Trump now controls the NSA and FBI – What this means for your privacy

Bad.
https://theintercept.com/2025/01/28/proton-mail-andy-yen-trump-republicans/
Proton Mail Says It’s “Politically Neutral” While Praising Republican Party
The “privacy-first” company surprised its user base when CEO Andy Yen lauded Trump on social media.

Ugly:
Apology ( on old.reddit)
https://old.reddit.com/r/ProtonMail/comments/1i2nz9v/on_politics_and_proton_a_message_from_andy/

Hi all, last night, a post from last year from my personal X account suddenly became a topic of discussion here on Reddit. I want to share a few thoughts on this to provide clarity to the community on what is Proton's policy on politics going forward.
First, while the X post was not intended to be a political statement, I can understand how it can be interpreted as such, and it therefore should not have been made.


Nevertheless, it's the CEO.

Reply:

Although I appreciate this response, you are still leaving out the important part of what caused all this mess: Protonmail posting on Mastodon/Bluesky and also on here from the OFFICIAL ACCOUNTS, statements labeled as OFFICIAL RESPONSE. I have no problem with you sharing your political opinions on your personal X account or whatever, but you can't just post your political views as official response from the company accounts, and then act like it didn't happen.


Mastodon post:

Original URL does not render here:

Add an h.

ttps://mastodon.social/@protonprivacy/113833073219145503

If you go there, this is the result.


I trust no company whose CEO kisses Trump's Rump, and that includes Apple and Google and Amazon and so on, and use privacy tools from third parties like Signal and Tor Project that I can trust, for sensitive communications.

The rest, I use with caution if I can't avoid.




usonian

(15,540 posts)
12. No, I haven't.
Thu Jan 30, 2025, 03:28 PM
Thursday

Signal seems to do messaging and even video.

I posted some tools in Activist HQ
https://www.democraticunderground.com/10113622

And I am going to look at the tools at riseup.net (mentioned in the above) but that site seems to require an account to explore things, so I need to set up a "try this out" account to explore. I have known that group for some time, so it's nothing really new and goofy.

LauraInLA

(1,688 posts)
13. My husband works in tech and is big on security. We've been using Signal for years ;). He's always looking at other
Thu Jan 30, 2025, 05:12 PM
Thursday

ways to protect data — have you tried a Yubikey for authentication? Please do let me know if you find anything interesting. I’ll check if my husband has a login for riseup.

usonian

(15,540 posts)
14. OK. no yubikey. I am retired in the boondocks and have little interaction with people. I aim to change that.
Thu Jan 30, 2025, 06:19 PM
Thursday

I'll prioritize community building and information sharing tools.

Not related to privacy, I found free MediaWiki hosting today, and free Moodle hosting for small groups.
Moodle is easy to password protect.

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