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WarGamer

(16,155 posts)
Sun Feb 2, 2025, 01:59 PM Sunday

Campaign rhetoric... was Joy, coconuts and unburdened wise?

Posted in the WAY FORWARD forum


At the time, I didn't like it one bit.

"What can be, unburdened by what has been"

I guarantee you... 70% of the US public has no idea what that means.

IMHO, the campaign in 2024 was run like the electorate was a group of tenured Professors from Harvard or Brown or Yale.

It's not enough to say "our people are brilliant... so talented and intelligent, I want to vote for them because they're who I aspire to be"




Reality check.

Most of the US electorate can't really define Joy or unburdened... and thinks a coconut is a flavor of pie.

The Left was already going to vote for Harris because Trump is demon spawn...

That wasn't enough to win an election.

She had to reach "core America" and didn't.

I hear a lot of people talking about how they loathe "core America" but if we ever want to win another election, we better start courting them.

It's going to take Obama-like intelligence and charisma or Clinton-like charm and communication skills.

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CrispyQ

(38,938 posts)
1. First, your post reads like he won by a landslide when it was less than 2%.
Sun Feb 2, 2025, 02:31 PM
Sunday

If she didn't reach core America it was because they weren't listening. Harris had programs for home buyers & small businesses & actual details for those programs not just concepts of plans. The media gave Trump a free pass on everything. Harris had to have her own agenda separate from Biden's & she wasn't given any credit for his accomplishments but had to carry his baggage.

Also, what wrong with joy? It sure beats the glowering angry orange face we've had to look at for 8 fucking years & who knows how much longer. I'm tired of acrimony in politics. I'm tired of mean people being given a pass because it would be unseemly to call them out for being pricks. And the truth is, their side has much more blame in all that than our side does.

And your last sentence just reeks of misogyny.

WarGamer

(16,155 posts)
2. We can agree to disagree.
Sun Feb 2, 2025, 02:38 PM
Sunday

Look at American politics in the last 20 years.

This is the only popular vote victory for a GOP'er.

And it wasn't even close.

There were SEVEN swing States, we won ZERO.

Don't make excuses when your NFL team goes 2-15 on the season.

They did something WRONG.

Coaching, players, management...

If you give a free pass and continue on course we'll lose in 28, too.

The key to future wins is to go back to being what the Party has traditionally been... populist and focused on blue collar Americans.


CrispyQ

(38,938 posts)
3. In other words, focused on men. Mostly white men.
Sun Feb 2, 2025, 02:51 PM
Sunday


Apparently the whole world is going to capitulate to patriarchy even as we stand on an ecological brink brought on by the policies of men.

Nice exchanging thoughts on the matter.

CTyankee

(65,554 posts)
4. Kamala had precious little time to establish herself as a candidate and, IMO, that was the biggest problem with her
Sun Feb 2, 2025, 04:34 PM
Sunday

candidacy. I do wish Joe had realized before those awful moments in the debate that he was not up to the stress and strain of his run for president. But I understand it and it makes me so sad. And I am sad for Kamila, too, but she did very well under the circumstances.

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