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usaf-vet

(7,234 posts)
Thu Feb 6, 2025, 01:47 PM Thursday

The take over of Gaza will require military troops. The current numbers for the U.S. is estimate 1,300,000 active duty.

Here are the most recent numbers:

Active-Duty Military Personnel: 1,290,000

Army: 453,551
Navy: 332,322
Air Force: 318,698
Marine Corps: 172,577
Space Force: 8,879
National Guard and Reserve Members: 767,238


It is clear that the only option to increase the number of active duty military members is to re-implement the DRAFT.
During the Vietnam War, the United States drafted approximately 2.2 million men through the Selective Service System. This occurred between 1964 and 1973 when the U.S. relied on conscription to meet military personnel needs, as volunteer enlistments were not enough to sustain the demand for troops. THAT draft was highly controversial and faced increasing opposition as the war dragged on. In 1973, the draft was ended, and the U.S. military transitioned to an all-volunteer force.


As a voluntary enlistment active duty military member from 1965-1969 USAF. I have always contended that bringing back a military draft would put millions of families in the streets, protesting NOT WITH MY SONS AND DAUGHTERS!. Not for an unnecessary war. In my long-held opinion, The protests would stop a draft before it could be implemented.

Presidents since 1973 have realized that the citizens of the U.S. would not support a draft, particularly for unnecessary incursion into places like Gaza, Greenland, and Panama. All targets Trump appears to have on his delusional agenda.


The following is a transcript from today's SEASON 3 EPISODE 95: COUNTDOWN WITH KEITH OLBERMANN
https://www.democraticunderground.com/132259414
https://omny.fm/shows/countdown-with-keith-olbermann/how-do-we-get-elon-and-his-mutant-turtles-arrested#sharing

"All of a sudden, those million, three hundred thousand active duty American troops they're just not going to be enough, now, are they. So now Trump's backed himself into the next corner bringing back the draft. Hasn't said it yet, Wait for it. If there is one thing that will guarantee riots in the streets that, oh, by the way, the rioters will win. It's another draft. The last one was expanded for Vietnam in the sixties, at a time when the nation still largely believed its government meant well and had judgment, and when parents would actually willingly let the government take their children to send them to die meaninglessly in a conflict we could not win or even influence, when we still believed in large part that the government's judgment on such things could be trusted. And still within three years there were daily protests and draft card burnings and violent underground terrorist organizations, and enough chaos to end Lyndon Johnson's presidency and force an end to the war and the draft within the decade. If Trump, if any president, for Gaza or Greenland or Panama or whatever else he pulls out of his own ass, If Trump or any president tried a draft, except in the event of something on the scale of World War Two, in these days, when the idea of people agreeing to be forced by the government to risk their lives in an optional war is met with only rage and uncontrollable laughter. If Trump actually tried a draft, and to clean out Gaza, he'd have to have a draft. If he actually did it, I'd give his presidency it a week to ten days before he and everybody in it were forced out of office. It may not have occurred to Trump yet that to do just Gaza, maybe just Greenland, or just Panama, it would require a draft.
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The take over of Gaza will require military troops. The current numbers for the U.S. is estimate 1,300,000 active duty. (Original Post) usaf-vet Thursday OP
Or, just such a destroyed economy that millions sign up intrepidity Thursday #1
MaddowBlog-New details make Trump's radical Gaza plan look worse, not better LetMyPeopleVote Thursday #2
.Did Susie Wiles give a 'death stare' to Donald Trump when he said US will take over Gaza? littlemissmartypants Thursday #4
Now adjust those numbers by Bettie Thursday #3

LetMyPeopleVote

(157,737 posts)
2. MaddowBlog-New details make Trump's radical Gaza plan look worse, not better
Thu Feb 6, 2025, 02:41 PM
Thursday

This plan makes no sense in such a number of areas that it is silly. The lack of troops is only the one of the stupid reasons why this plan makes no sense

After having learned nothing after his first failed term, the president still appears wholly incapable of avoiding shambolic chaos of his own making.
https://bsky.app/profile/stevebenen.com/post/3lhjax7bnhs2r

After having learned nothing after his first failed term, Trump still appears wholly incapable of avoiding shambolic chaos of his own making.

Take his Gaza "plan," for example.



https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/maddowblog/new-details-make-trumps-radical-gaza-plan-look-worse-not-better-rcna190962

Following a series of foreign policy blunders in 2019, Anne Applebaum wrote a piece for The Washington Post with a memorable summary of how Donald Trump approaches international challenges. “There is no plan; there is only whim and instinct,” she explained. “There is no international orientation either, just a series of hasty unplanned, unexamined decisions, followed by Twitter tantrums.”

Nearly six years later, the assessment continues to ring true. Take the president’s plan — I’m using the word loosely — to acquire the Gaza Strip......

As for how, exactly, the president arrived at this idea, The New York Times reported that Trump “shocked even senior members of his own White House” on Tuesday afternoon:

[P]rivately, Mr. Trump had been talking about U.S. ownership of the enclave for weeks. And his thinking had accelerated, according to two administration officials, after his Middle East envoy, Steve Witkoff, returned from Gaza last week and described the horrific conditions there.

While his announcement looked formal and thought-out — he read the plan from a sheet of paper — his administration had not done even the most basic planning to examine the feasibility of the idea, according to four people with knowledge of the discussions, who were not authorized to speak publicly
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In a normal, functioning U.S. administration, such a monumental decision would go through months of intense scrutiny, led by experienced national security and diplomatic officials. There would be working groups. And negotiations. And detailed analyses on costs and consequences......

The day after the rollout of the plan, administration officials couldn’t answer the questions because there were no such answers. All they had were some poorly thought-out rhetoric that their boss blurted out, to the consternation of much of the planet.

After a day of confusion at the White House, Trump apparently thought he could help clear things up with a 107-word missive published to his social media platform. In it, the Republican said Gaza “would be turned over to the United States,” and Palestinians would be “resettled” in some other countries that he didn’t identify.

He went on to say that Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer, who is Jewish, is a Palestinian — a label Trump has long used as a slur — before concluding that Trump doesn’t believe U.S. troops will be needed as part of this endeavor because ... well, he never actually got around to saying why not.

All of which is to say, Trump created an avoidable international incident on Tuesday, only to make matters worse soon after.

littlemissmartypants

(26,576 posts)
4. .Did Susie Wiles give a 'death stare' to Donald Trump when he said US will take over Gaza?
Thu Feb 6, 2025, 04:19 PM
Thursday

Did Susie Wiles give a 'death stare' to Donald Trump when he said US will take over Gaza? Photo goes viral

https://www.msn.com/en-in/news/world/did-susie-wiles-give-a-death-stare-to-donald-trump-when-he-said-us-will-take-over-gaza-photo-goes-viral/ar-AA1ywytf

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Bettie

(17,669 posts)
3. Now adjust those numbers by
Thu Feb 6, 2025, 02:46 PM
Thursday

getting all those danged women out of the military! Remember, women don't belong in Hegseth's military.

So, they'd have to draft a LOT of young men.

I have three sons who would all be eligible (well, one is 16, so not quite yet).

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