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ancianita

(39,546 posts)
Sat Feb 8, 2025, 07:16 AM Saturday

Tough Talk from The Bulwark, et.al. -- Thoughts on party actions & messaging that absolutely have to change.

Any positive constructive criticisms of these ideas?

My take is that they're doable, can get headlines (messaging help) and can stand as

a ) actions/messages we can offer our leaders when we call them; and
b) actions/messages our leaders should use daily to show our target electorate -- young people -- that our party is the best short/long term way forward.


While thinking about the way forward, we ourselves need to do the work to make these ideas happen -- like call one senator a day with a prepared message/suggestion -- because as 404media reminds us:
"You Can’t Post Your Way Out of Fascism."

https://www.thebulwark.com/p/how-to-win-the-usaid-fight
https://archive.ph/QVvcB

1. Dear Democrats

Don’t ever do this again:



Chuck Schumer should not be the face of your party. Leading chants is imbecilic. Showing up outside a building is nonsensical. People don’t care about buildings. They care about stories.

Further: You are not winning and have no chance to win anything for 21 months. Your message is absurd on its face.

Your job as Democrats is to lead the opposition to Trump, which means making Trump unpopular. Right now there are only two engine governors on Trumpism: The courts and his popularity. You can’t influence the courts, but you do have input on public opinion. Stop wasting it.

First rule of fight club: Pick your opponent. Ultimately you need to drag Trump’s numbers down, but right now he’s riding high. Elon Musk is a softer target.

Musk is a deeply unappealing human. He is inextricably linked to Trump. And his popularity is already moving downhill. Best of all, Musk doesn’t have Trump’s intuitive grasp of demagoguery. Trump knows how to bob and weave. When Musk gets punched in the mouth, all he does is bleed.

Second rule of fight club: Find good ground. USAID does not look like good ground. It’s a massive program. It’s mostly about foreign aid. It’s a process story. Musk thinks it’s a great place to make a stand.

But you can turn it into a trap for Musk if you’re smart. Ignore the process aspects. Don’t talk about moral obligations. Arguments about creating strategic advantages for China aren’t going to get you anywhere.

What you can do is personalize it.

Third rule of fight club: Personalize everything.
Are you a Democratic officeholder? Great. Buy a plane ticket to Nairobi.

When you get there, go to the Mathare settlement and talk to people who are going to die because Musk shut off their HIV medication when he closed down USAID. Get out your phone and take video of these conversations. Post them on YouTube, TikTok, Insta—everywhere.

Tell the real stories of actual people who are going to die because of Elon Musk. It won’t be hard to find them. This isn’t an actuarial game where programmatic cuts will, at some future date, result in an increased death rate for nameless, faceless people. You can find the actual human beings who are going to die. You can talk to them. You can share their stories and ask your fellow Americans, “Is this what you voted for?”

When you’re done in Nairobi, hop a flight to South Africa and go to Vulindlela—east of Lesotho. Go find Asanda Zondi and interview her. The New York Times was able to do it; surely you can too?...
The Times has helpfully given you a starting point:

The Times identified more than 30 frozen studies that had volunteers already in the care of researchers, including trials of:

-- malaria treatment in children under age 5 in Mozambique
-- treatment for cholera in Bangladesh
-- a screen-and-treat method for cervical cancer in Malawi
-- tuberculosis treatment for children and teenagers in Peru and South Africa
-- nutritional support for children in Ethiopia
-- early-childhood-development interventions in Cambodia
-- ways to support pregnant and breastfeeding women to reduce malnutrition in Jordan
-- an mRNA vaccine technology for H.I.V. in South Africa . . .
-- n England, about 100 people have been inoculated with an experimental malaria vaccine in two clinical trials. Now, they no longer have access to the clinical trial staff if that vaccine were to cause an adverse reaction in their bodies.

Go find these people. Especially the children. Interview them, on camera. Share their stories with America.

Donald Trump and JD Vance aren’t going to respond by saying, “These Untermenschen deserve to die.”

But you know who just might say that out loud? The ketamine-addled billionaire and his menagerie of 20-year-old incels.

If you’re a Democrat, that’s a contrast you embrace. Keep telling these stories and connecting them to Musk until he defends himself by saying something absolutely ghoulish. Make him radioactive, and let him dangle around Trump’s neck.

Because at some point, Musk’s negatives will start to contaminate Trump’s public standing.
And then Trump will either have to live with it or cut Musk loose. Which would create a new set of problems for the president.

There are other fissures to exploit. Franklin Graham runs a charity called Samaritan’s Purse, which gets $90 million from USAID. Graham says that he has gotten an exemption from the Trump administration for his ministry to keep getting its USAID money.

But Catholic Relief Services was not so lucky. They’ve already started laying off employees and shutting down relief programs. Go interview current and former Catholic Relief Services employees and ask them to describe the programs they’ve had to shut down and share the stories of the desperate people the are now leaving behind.

Present this side by side with Samaritan’s Purse and ask why Musk spared Trump’s Protestant minister buddy, but not the Catholics?

Go on offense. Start telling stories. Stop holding press conferences in Washington. And for the love of all that’s holy, put Chuck Schumer in a closet.

But wait—there’s actually one more opportunity for Democrats. And it’s scheduled to arrive in a couple of weeks . . .

2. Power Nexus

This week Josh Marshall pointed out that House Democrats will have one (1) moment of real leverage over Trump: the budget / debt ceiling vote.

Trump cannot pass either without Democratic help.

So Democrats have this one chance to extract something meaningful from Johnson.
(2) And Marshall knows exactly what it should be:

The standard should be no help on the budget or the debt ceiling until the lawbreaking stops. Period. End of story. No wilding gangs marauding through the federal government. End the criminal conduct. Period.

That’s it. No nuance.


There are many terrible things Trump and his supporters can do by passing new laws. They can shut down USAID, the Department of Education, FEMA. Whatever. They can do a ton of other horrible things. They can try to take away everyone’s health care to fund tax cuts for his billionaire friends, as they are in fact intending to do. All of that is terrible but legal if they can put together the votes. They are in the majority. Joe Biden passed big legislation with tighter margins. What they are doing now, on the contrary, is not only brazenly illegal but an overt and undeniable violation of the federal constitution. When that stops then Democrats will consider helping on the budget and the debt ceiling. And they can negotiate on particulars. But nothing until the lawbreaking stops.

This. 👆


How do you operationalize such a deal? That’s where Dems would need to be creative. You can’t just . . . take Trump’s word for it, can you? But that’s how elected Democrats earn their pay: Figuring out binding legislative solutions to situations where two parties have divergent interests.

However they do it, ending lawless government should be the Democrats’ only acceptable compromise.




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gab13by13

(26,272 posts)
1. It is up to us, the people to throw out the billionaires.
Sat Feb 8, 2025, 07:40 AM
Saturday

Congressional Dems need to do town halls, welcome Magats to attend. Explain what Project 2025 will do to them.

Inform, educate, organize, give us directions to fight back. I will donate money again to a good strategy. Democrats need someone to be the face of our party.

Time Matters.

Timeflyer

(2,875 posts)
2. As a Florida democrat, I've seen the positive effect that local action can have, even in a MAGAt-ridden state.
Sat Feb 8, 2025, 08:46 AM
Saturday

"It’s a lesson the Extremely Online Left still hasn’t fully learned, failing where its political enemies succeed. Reactionary right-wing groups like the homophobic and transphobic Moms for Liberty—which seeks to ban books from LGBTQ and BIPOC authors under the guise of “parental rights”—have claimed political victories by seizing power one public school board and small town at a time. Other reactionaries have similarly managed to take their pet grievances about diversity and wokeness to the national level by moving from online outrage to on-the-ground community organizing." From podcast referenced above.

It gets lost in the firehose of information coming at us now, but in Florida local and state groups organized to fight back, and change the outcomes of public school board races to keep MOL candidates off the boards around the state. Admittedly, the ground gains are small, and the war is not over--too much money and power behind the state-level fascist enablers in power. And "it can't happen here" thinking lead to a slow start for opposition. Now we know it absolutely can happen here, is happening, and, knowing that, it's time to take action, and never give up. Act locally and nationally. It's OUR country. (End of rant).

Paladin

(29,331 posts)
4. THIS! THIS! THIS! THIS!
Sat Feb 8, 2025, 09:06 AM
Saturday

Jeez, did we ever need to see these hard-edged, effective suggestions from The Bulwark. We need to implement them, immediately!

I challenge you to find anything on DU that's more valuable than this, right now. Helpful hint: I don't think it's possible.

ancianita

(39,546 posts)
5. Then call your elected leaders and make sure their people hear, record, and convey this to their bosses.
Sat Feb 8, 2025, 09:28 AM
Saturday

I'm calling Frost and Moskowitz about this first thing on Monday.

Also, the Democratic Governors Association. Sure it's an extra step to get individual governors' phone numbers (texting tends to get filtered by digital teams) but they are in key positions to get these kinds of strategies/tactics out to the Democrats of red states (along with us Democrats in those states).

https://www.senate.gov/general/resources/pdf/senators_phone_list.pdf

https://clerk.house.gov/member_info/TTD-119.pdf

Intractable

(833 posts)
6. Somebody told Schumer he needs to show more passion ...
Sat Feb 8, 2025, 02:57 PM
Saturday

This is what we got.

It's well past time for Schumer to step down as minority leader of the Senate.

ultralite001

(1,332 posts)
8. Boss Mode...
Sat Feb 8, 2025, 03:05 PM
Saturday

Long before the Musketeer ruined Twitter, produced the ugliest truck on Earth + started damaging the atmosphere by blowing up space rockets, the Musketeer made video games. While Musk has claimed to be “a living god of video games," his skills have been tarnished by allegations of cheating. The Musketeer's approaches to "gaming" + work must be exploited.

First rule of fight club: Pick your opponent.

A deeply unappealing human, the Musketeer is inextricably linked to Trump; Musk is the softer target. The Musketeer believes he is one of the best game players on Earth. This is one of the Musketeer's weak spots.

Second rule of fight club: Find good ground.

Many video games have a "boss" level. Typically, the "enemy" leader / boss is the one in charge of the other enemies on a level in the game by virtue of being the biggest / toughest / fastest / canniest member. Beat the boss; the other enemies go away.

The Musketeer has set himself up as "Boss"... This can be turned into a trap for Musk.

The Musketeer has surrounded himself w/ impressionable minions. These "mini-bosses" each need to be taken down... They are not invincible...They must beaten at their own game... They must also be held to account for their actions. Each loss must be shown to weaken the boss's power.

So... For each minion... the Dems need to select their own champion. For each fight, Dems need to provide publicity, energy, food, resources, hit points, health -- whatever it takes for their champion to successfully take down each "mini-boss" minion... One by one... just like one does in a video game.

We need to suss out each minion's weaknesses... This information needs to be broadcast so the other minions hear about it... know about it... Loud enough they begin to quake in their boots... Our champion must be prepped TO THE MAX -- because we may only get ONE CHANCE... because we WILL be coming for them... We WILL be prepared... We WILL be canny... We WILL be UNITED... We WILL PREVAIL.

Third rule of fight club: Personalize everything... ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING. Broadcast the Dems' wins far and wide. Every tiny win... every inch taken... Start the buzz... Make it go viral... Every crack weakens the boss's power... the boss's hold... the boss's influence...

The Musketeer cheats... Find examples. Broadcast it. The Musketeer pays others to play for him... Find proof. Interview players. Document everything... Bring the receipts... Build a scoreboard... Broadcast it... Publish our wins -- everywhere... We Fight... We Win...

Boss Mode will soon be ours...


[If you don't play video games, have your kids or grandkids show you how it's done. No game in life will be more important than winning for Team Democracy}

ancianita

(39,546 posts)
9. I like the way you think tho' I can't explain it(!) So just thinkin' off the top...Are you saying Bulwarkers think
Sat Feb 8, 2025, 03:51 PM
Saturday

like gamers? Are you saying we should do in the real world what's done in games?

If so, you remind me of my IT son. He owns the best IT business in his region of NM (Gov & Lt. gov in Santa Fe know him), and was a lil gamer. Still is. He just doesn't see the current situation the way you explain it here.

I've no clue about gaming but the way I see your interpretation, the internal game logic of this is such that youth might appreciate where this party is, and might even help take down deez nutz. Don't be too sure they can touch the Boss, tho'. He's got more money than god to layer himself into an unbeatable position.

Your way of going forward with Bulwark advice is a shiny spin here.
Pretty sure, tho', that going after each minion takes a team -- surveillance & cybersecurity coordinated with a ground team of at least more than one real world law enforcer, a DA, and a diligent judge ... these in different states, maybe...

If we
-- go after each minion (there are only 19 identified so far)
-- hold a press conference (run by a different Dem on press conference rotation) each and every time the party finds, arrests (?) and confiscates devices of said minion,
-- gather state's evidence for prosecution at state levels only...

We'll ... what -- chip away at Musk. But then re Musk... I don't see how hurting Musk hurts the felon. Maybe this is where the Bulwark is mistaken.

Yet Bulwark advice for the party sounds so real world. Can you run this by any young folk at the DNC and see what they think?


ultralite001

(1,332 posts)
10. Let's combine computer game play w/ ideas presented by the Bulwark...
Sat Feb 8, 2025, 05:18 PM
Saturday

Thank you for your comments...

The Bulwark used examples from the movie, "Fight Club"... I'm simply making some observations from computer gaming.
The Musketeer + his minions have lived off the unreality of video gaming for years. This artificial reality has fundamentally
altered their world view. This is a weakness that can be exploited.

Your comment about your son, "He just doesn't see the current situation the way you explain it here," is important. We need to help
our younger generations bridge that phantom gap, suspend that disbelief. This "sleight of hand / mind" / smoke + mirrors is a tool
of the other party -- They truly believe we, the other folks, don't see... won't see... aren't smart enough... cool enough... clever enough
to discern their machinations.

F47 said it himself: " And just remember, What you're seeing and reading is not what's happening."

If we can introduce game theory to young Dems... give them tools... let them wrap their minds + imaginations around the
intricacies of the attacks on America's institutions... I have no doubt they will come up with newer + better ways to trip up these
domestic adversaries...

I love your ideas regarding teams + the Bulwark advice. Who is the Dems firecracker w/ Social Security chops??? Let's build this individual
a team. They will become the Social Security Champion. They will require a surveillance & cybersecurity coordinator w/ a ground team w/ a real world law enforcer, a DA + a diligent judge who supports the Rule of Law... + researchers...

Which of Musk's minions has been tasked w/ destruction / demolition / surveillance of the Social Security database??? We need background, family, school, work records, military (huh?)... Legal snafus... social media presence... We need to dig, dig, dig -- fast, furious + in detail. Follow every lead, overturn every stone. These facts become our ammunition. (+ it's important to remember, the other side will be doing their homework on our teams as well).

We do this with Education, + Health + Human Services, + Military + on + on...

Build a scoreboard: 19 minions + the Boss... + finally, F47...
Take them down one at a time... + let the world know...
More than one team... More than one agency... done at the same time... They don't think we're that nimble...
Broadcast the findings... Champion our wins...
Whittling down the Musketeer + by extension, F47, piece by piece.
Restoring our institutions, agency by agency...

+ press conferences... America needs to know... We not only bring the truth... We hold the powers that be to account.

How about sending copies of these thoughts to our younger Dem representatives... Jasmine Crockett, Maxwell Frost + anyone else ... David
Hogg??? Social media influencers???

+ please know I am simply one more little ol' lady trying to find Democracy's "Kobayashi Maru," while doing one's civic duty to help salvage the grand American experiment. Thank you once again for listening... + hearing...

ancianita

(39,546 posts)
11. I like this.I love your "Team Democracy" persistence! But it won't happen at the breathtaking pace with which you
Sat Feb 8, 2025, 05:43 PM
Saturday

lay it out here.

They don't think we're that nimble...


We absolutely are that nimble. But.
Realize too, two things:
1. building teams (hackers + ground legal teams) takes more time than building gaming teams; after that,
2. the systems we'll have the teams interface with are not at all nimble.

Time is of the essence. Boss + minions have had SO much planning + prep time.

Sure, We just got an order from Judge Entermayer that "so ordered" that all acquired data be destroyed. Let's deal with that ruling in this context.

Say the boss + minions say "catch me if you can" -- they're of a mind to do that -- are found in contempt of court, with court officers sent to arrest them. I say they will disappear in the boss's lear jets and get extra-jurisdictional.

GONE. With everything. Later, sneaking back through the backdoors they installed the first day that all government sites went down for hours -- around Jan 21, IIRC -- to steal more of the nation's data and wealth.
US Military intel has ISP location capability, but not to find the humans directly owning those ISPs. They could be anywhere. Without habeas corpus...

Then what.

That's the "more money than god" advantage our ground team faces.

The reasons the felon just had the I.C.C. sanctioned is so that in advance, the US seems helpless in getting the Hague to issue international arrest warrants like those issued against Putin (but not really, I'm hoping, because our NATO partners in Spain's international court, etc., could do it on behalf of the People of the United States).

We just weren't ready for these contingencies. Not for lack of trying. We were beat by their years of oligarch network govt bribery, capture, planning and preparation.

If more young folks knew what was coming in advance, and were into this the way you and the Bulwark are, the boss + minions would not get away, and maybe not even have gotten in.



ancianita

(39,546 posts)
13. Is your sentiment that no matter what Trump says, it's the opposite?
Sun Feb 9, 2025, 06:02 PM
Sunday

That's how I think about everything the felon says and does.

lees1975

(6,234 posts)
14. That's what it will take.
Sun Feb 9, 2025, 08:17 PM
Sunday

There should be nothing favorable negotiated or compromised with this felonious jackass. The more opposition he faces, the better, because everything he does comes down to the only thing that he values at all, and that's money.

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