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WarGamer

(16,155 posts)
Wed Jan 22, 2025, 03:35 PM Jan 22

I want to explain how the GOP went from "Dead and Buried" to at it's peak in 2024.

Remember 2008 and 2012?

I remember thinking to myself, "They're done. The GOP is so weak and unorganized, with a dwindling base and Demographic changes... we may never see another GOP President.

Now we're looking at 8/12 years of GOP rule.

So what happened?

I've thought about it extensively.

Let me share.

It all goes back to the neocons, my favorite topic, lol...

Neocons are that group of warmongers who A) Wanted to win the Cold War and B) Were annoyed by the counter-culture movement of the 60's and the Civil Rights movement

Early neocons were mostly DEMS.

The neocons hid their true purpose, American Imperialism by building fake support groups including Evangelicals, Country Club Republicans and soccer moms, whatever.

It worked with Ronald Reagan... he won 2x

The 90's rolled in and Bill Clinton won 2x.

The GOP was starting to lose it's voters... and the DEMS were building up voters.

The last gasp of the neocons was the election of Shrub the Lesser.

Georgie boy stocked his Administration with ne'er do well Neocon scumbags.

One fake illegal war later and even GOP'ers grew tired.

Add in the candidates.

The GOP used to have a thing with nominating the most boring people on the planet.

Dole, McCain, Romney...

Thought Experiment:

Look at the Trump base who won in 2024... winning all 7 Swing States and setting high marks in Minority votes. Now look at Mitt Romney and tell me how many of those Trump people would have voted for Mitt. How many GOP'ers pumped their fists and cheered on Mitt? Drove around with Mitt flags on their trucks and boats?

In other words, Romney would have lost to Harris 60-40 in 2024, IMHO.

Trump killed the neocon movement. The neocons used to pander support from groups but then never do anything for them after winning elections. Neocons USED people for their vote.

Traditional GOP 100% alienated a HUGE portion of the US voting public. Even those who might lean RIGHT.

Trump's entire strategy was to mine for the 30% of white folks that didn't vote and then got lucky after 2016 when the DEMS ran to the right and cozied up with neocons which resulted in even MORE DEM adjacent blue collar folks voting Trump.

Failure in 2024 was 50% Failure of the DEM Party.

And 50% Trump ascendancy as a strategy...

That's why we're here today.

My solution?

In a sentence. Invest EVERYTHING to taking BACK the populist banner... similar to what Bernie said...

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I want to explain how the GOP went from "Dead and Buried" to at it's peak in 2024. (Original Post) WarGamer Jan 22 OP
I don't hate this AkFemDem Jan 22 #1
We cannot make a plan until we figure out some things. Irish_Dem Jan 22 #2
My suggestion is that the party put a lot of eggs into the FalloutShelter Jan 22 #6
Propaganda machines work well for the GOP GreenWave Jan 22 #3
agreed - being actually populist, following the FDR playbook, is the only path forward ProfessorPlum Jan 22 #4
By asking how renaming that poli-junkie Jan 22 #5
We seem to have skipped right over voter fraud, suppression, gerrymandering... 58Sunliner Jan 22 #7
Voter fraud doesn't really exist... gerrymandering doesn't affect Presidential elections... WarGamer Jan 22 #8
Voter fraud does exist and we are talking about the party. 58Sunliner Jan 22 #9
I think you might be confusing the term "voter fraud" with Election Fraud? significant distinction. msfiddlestix Jan 27 #17
Pretty confusing, maybe even confused. dpibel Jan 22 #10
A mess you say? Guess what, TCM is showing the classic "Gaslight" tonight! FSogol Jan 22 #11
Here. Start with wiki and then do your own research vanessa_ca Jan 22 #12
Thanks, boss! dpibel Jan 22 #14
Admittedly, it's a random thought stream... WarGamer Jan 22 #13
I don't either. BannonsLiver Jan 26 #16
Wait, you thought they were done? BannonsLiver Jan 26 #15
I agree with you about the sentiment of 2008, but strongly disagree about 2012 Polybius Jan 28 #18
I figure it's just big money. Chemical Bill Wednesday #19
GOP is a Zombie AllPerspectivesRReal Sunday #20
Welcome to DU ! KS Toronado Sunday #22
Those people were the "Anybody but Mitt" crowd that round-robined through their favorites of the day JHB Sunday #21
What? I remember a thread like that in 2012. LeftInTX Monday #23

AkFemDem

(2,369 posts)
1. I don't hate this
Wed Jan 22, 2025, 03:38 PM
Jan 22

I hate most suggestions so thats a compliment.

How do we take back the populist banner?

Irish_Dem

(62,981 posts)
2. We cannot make a plan until we figure out some things.
Wed Jan 22, 2025, 03:42 PM
Jan 22

Assess an emergency situation first, then plan.

FalloutShelter

(12,982 posts)
6. My suggestion is that the party put a lot of eggs into the
Wed Jan 22, 2025, 04:03 PM
Jan 22

Universal Health Care basket. I know Ted Kennedy died on this hill, but if the assassination of the Health Care Exec. proved.
this is an issue that has appeal the every American.

also, it encompasses women's reproductive health and health in general, as well as trans care in a way that can't be cleaved away as wedge issues.

JMHO

.

GreenWave

(9,985 posts)
3. Propaganda machines work well for the GOP
Wed Jan 22, 2025, 03:46 PM
Jan 22

Anti-war sentiment from the 60's was quickly switched to pro-POW stances.
Upcoming Democrats were simply assassinated. along with MLK all in their prime.
GOP flicked on the anti-Russia switch but never the anti-Nazi switch. Foreign policy supported dictators and coups.Now we have a plutocratic coup with the GOP embracing both Nazis and Putin.

ProfessorPlum

(11,415 posts)
4. agreed - being actually populist, following the FDR playbook, is the only path forward
Wed Jan 22, 2025, 03:50 PM
Jan 22

if only some more Democrats would do it

poli-junkie

(1,191 posts)
5. By asking how renaming that
Wed Jan 22, 2025, 03:52 PM
Jan 22

body of water is going to bring down the cost of eggs? Put a spotlight on what TSF is actually doing and asking how that improves the lot of its voters.

WarGamer

(16,155 posts)
8. Voter fraud doesn't really exist... gerrymandering doesn't affect Presidential elections...
Wed Jan 22, 2025, 04:24 PM
Jan 22

And Voter Suppression is a State by State Issue that is legislated.

58Sunliner

(5,167 posts)
9. Voter fraud does exist and we are talking about the party.
Wed Jan 22, 2025, 04:32 PM
Jan 22

Without gerrymandering do you think DT would have the support he does or the state legislatures? As for voter suppression, purges, etc... it does matter and it makes a difference. I'm done with this.

msfiddlestix

(7,966 posts)
17. I think you might be confusing the term "voter fraud" with Election Fraud? significant distinction.
Mon Jan 27, 2025, 10:12 AM
Jan 27

Voter fraud is fraud committed by an individual voter, say like voting in more than one district, or marking a ballot belonging to a deceased family member.
this happens but not a scale impacting election vote outcomes.

election fraud however is a different kettle of worms all together.

dpibel

(3,495 posts)
10. Pretty confusing, maybe even confused.
Wed Jan 22, 2025, 04:56 PM
Jan 22

Early neocons were "DEMS"? Please tell me who you're thinking of.

And these "DEMS" courted country-club Republicans? This is getting very interesting.

And then we suddenly segue into Ronald Reagan, who I'm pretty sure was not a DEM.

And slide without pause into "and then Bill Clinton," so I guess he was a neocon.

After which George Bush, because, well, that's what happened!

It's a mess, Gamer. I don't think you've presented your argument very well at all.

vanessa_ca

(118 posts)
12. Here. Start with wiki and then do your own research
Wed Jan 22, 2025, 05:27 PM
Jan 22
Neoconservatism (colloquially neocon) is a political movement which began in the United States during the 1960s among liberal hawks who became disenchanted with the increasingly pacifist Democratic Party along with the growing New Left and counterculture of the 1960s. Neoconservatives typically advocate the unilateral promotion of democracy and interventionism in international relations together with a militaristic and realist philosophy of "peace through strength". They are known for espousing opposition to communism and radical politics.

-snip-

Rejecting the American New Left and McGovern's New Politics

As the policies of the New Left made the Democrats increasingly leftist, these neoconservative intellectuals became disillusioned with President Lyndon B. Johnson's Great Society domestic programs. The influential 1970 bestseller The Real Majority by Ben Wattenberg expressed that the "real majority" of the electorate endorsed economic interventionism but also social conservatism and that it could be disastrous for Democrats to adopt liberal positions on certain social and crime issues.[28]

The neoconservatives rejected the countercultural New Left and what they considered anti-Americanism in the non-interventionism of the activism against the Vietnam War. After the anti-war faction took control of the party during 1972 and nominated George McGovern, the Democrats among the neoconservatives endorsed Washington Senator Henry "Scoop" Jackson for his unsuccessful 1972 and 1976 campaigns for president. Among those who worked for Jackson were the incipient neoconservatives Paul Wolfowitz, Doug Feith, and Richard Perle.[29] During the late 1970s, neoconservatives tended to endorse Ronald Reagan, the Republican who promised to confront Soviet expansionism. Neoconservatives organized in the American Enterprise Institute and The Heritage Foundation to counter the liberal establishment.[30] Author Keith Preston named the successful effort on behalf of neoconservatives such as George Will and Irving Kristol to cancel Reagan's 1980 nomination of Mel Bradford, a Southern Paleoconservative academic whose regionalist focus and writings about Abraham Lincoln and Reconstruction alienated the more cosmopolitan and progress-oriented neoconservatives, to the leadership of the National Endowment for the Humanities in favor of longtime Democrat William Bennett as emblematic of the neoconservative movement establishing hegemony over mainstream American conservatism.[20]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoconservatism

WarGamer

(16,155 posts)
13. Admittedly, it's a random thought stream...
Wed Jan 22, 2025, 05:35 PM
Jan 22

Justin Vaisse wrote a great book on the origins of Neoconservatism...

BannonsLiver

(18,591 posts)
16. I don't either.
Sun Jan 26, 2025, 03:58 PM
Jan 26

The argument in a nutshell: Dems that can actually win presidential elections are baaaaaaaaad.

Polybius

(19,020 posts)
18. I agree with you about the sentiment of 2008, but strongly disagree about 2012
Tue Jan 28, 2025, 10:10 PM
Jan 28

In 2008 it sure looked like Democrats would stay in power for a very long time, with huge majorities in both Houses and a generational President. However, it was short-lived. In 2010, Democrats got what Obama called "a shellacking." Republicans were back.

In 2012, Republicans nominated a guy who wasn't really trusted in his own party, so much so that Free Republic refused to endorse him. While Obama won handily, it was closer than 2008. The writing was on the wall for 2016, especially after the 2014 elections.

Now, 1992 would be another story. Not sure if you're old enough to remember, but Clinton utterly destroyed Republicans morale that year.

Chemical Bill

(2,660 posts)
19. I figure it's just big money.
Wed Jan 29, 2025, 09:31 PM
Wednesday

If Democrats bought all the big media we'd be in much better shape.

20. GOP is a Zombie
Sun Feb 2, 2025, 04:49 PM
Sunday

They’re already dead. This is a ghoul stumbling around sucking our brains. Don’t mistake this for strength. Do fight with all we’ve got- but they are hollow. They have no core principles, or blood in their veins. They have no positive vision or societally beneficial purpose other than “strength” and bravura- with nothing inside. It’s “order” for the sake of denialism about the reality of the climate changing, multicultural world that they are afraid in and don’t know how to navigate.

We have the answers and the skills… we just need it make it sexy. Do the work to reach and motivate people and that cannot be entirely about grinding it out- it also has to be about inspiring people at a gut level. And of course we slap them back hard at every opportunity when they break the law!!!!

JHB

(37,557 posts)
21. Those people were the "Anybody but Mitt" crowd that round-robined through their favorites of the day
Sun Feb 2, 2025, 05:59 PM
Sunday

Rick Scott said something they liked and they went "YAY!", then reporters dug into things he'd said in the past and there was something that made them go "BOO!" Rinse and repeat for Rick Santorum, Newt Gingrich, John Huntsman, Michelle Bachmann, Buddy Roemer, and Trump's unofficial trial balloon.

Outside the clown car, Mitt steadily scapped up delegates while the rest were scattered amongst the clowns, and in the end he came out with enough to win the nomination.

That's part of why, in 2016, Trump was straight out of the gate with full-on racism (in addition to, y'know, actually being a bigot), and he got those people to rally around him right off the bat.

LeftInTX

(32,046 posts)
23. What? I remember a thread like that in 2012.
Mon Feb 3, 2025, 03:12 PM
Monday

Someone responded: "I thought they died on August 9th 1974"

They never died. They may have lost a few elections, but they sure didn't die.

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