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9. I never see these comments about the dozens of other Senators who called on Franken to resign.

Reply to Algernon Moncrieff (Original post)

Fri Nov 23, 2018, 11:25 AM

Nov 2018

Only Kirsten Gillibrand is said to have "thrown Franken under the bus".

I think it's a little strange that she gets singled out, and it borders on trolling. I see this garbage all the time on Facebook. It's ridiculous.

Franken was a member of the Senate Judiciary Committee, so he would have questioned Brett Kavanaugh at his Supreme Court interview, regarding allegations of Kavanaugh's sexual misconduct. That would have been a huge embarrassment to the Democratic Party. Franken was smart to resign - on his own - no junior member can force another Senator to resign. I don't understand why anybody could imagine that's even possible. Gillibrand is finishing her first Senate term, she is not a leader in the Senate. If anyone forced Franken out, it would be the leadership.

Now, do I want Senator Gillibrand to run for president? No, I want her to stay in the Senate. I think there are better choices. That being said, her record in voting against the Trump agenda is almost unparalleled.

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Thinking about 2020: How do you feel about Kirsten Gillibrand? [View all] Algernon Moncrieff Nov 2018 OP

She threw Franken under the bus, then backed up over him. nt Persondem Nov 2018 #1

Yep. I will never forget that Freethinker65 Nov 2018 #2

Yep, and she threw her 2020 chances under the same bus. brush Nov 2018 #3

+100000000 Pachamama Nov 2018 #4

I'm with... MyOwnPeace Nov 2018 #65

second that onetexan Nov 2018 #204

Like your wording, and most definitely agree. n/t Judi Lynn Nov 2018 #189

Yep Lotusflower70 Nov 2018 #32

Thats it. snort Nov 2018 #37

+1.000,000,000,000,000,000,000 (where is the no f'in way response?) hlthe2b Nov 2018 #40

+1 Power 2 the People Nov 2018 #79

Yup, showed a stunning lack of judgment and fairness workinclasszero Nov 2018 #63

And because of that, I will never vote for her in any primary. CozyMystery Nov 2018 #73

So, as of 4 pm ET, 12/213 support her (5.6%, like or love her) Not very good for her hlthe2b Nov 2018 #87

She crapped on Senator Franken. I don't like her. And don't hate on my post - i'm saying same thing trueblue2007 Nov 2018 #106

That's exactly why she lost my support Stargazer09 Nov 2018 #180

Gillibrand's Treatment of Franken Is Still On My Mind Vogon_Glory Nov 2018 #190

Agreed roscoeroscoe Nov 2018 #203

No way, no how tparrett62 Nov 2018 #232

No, thanks. We can do much better. MineralMan Nov 2018 #5

I've never seen her speak. I'm neutral. Bucky Nov 2018 #6

"Al Franklin" looks like an autocorrect error Algernon Moncrieff Nov 2018 #8

Guilty as charged Bucky Nov 2018 #10

Not to worry Vogon_Glory Nov 2018 #191

Saw her on Colbert Merlot Nov 2018 #11

Thank you. Bucky Nov 2018 #18

My experience as well. ZZenith Nov 2018 #54

Her record in opposing the Trump agenda is one of the best... PBass Nov 2018 #26

Good to know. Now... about that 7% Bucky Nov 2018 #33

+1 MrsCoffee Nov 2018 #49

I have seen her speak crazycatlady Nov 2018 #145

Similar thoughts here... susanna Nov 2018 #179

Political opportunist. LakeArenal Nov 2018 #7

Damn Bucky Nov 2018 #13

Will support the nominee. LakeArenal Nov 2018 #64

Brown is supposedly thinking it over... RazBerryBeret Nov 2018 #110

Not sure how Sherrod Brown made your list? Raven123 Nov 2018 #31

Joe Biden and Beto! Friends and family of all ages are on the Joe/Beto bus. Just sayin'! cornball 24 Nov 2018 #44

Yep LakeArenal Nov 2018 #66

I was in the Beto Dodge Caravan mchill Nov 2018 #147

Thank u for your work and keep supporting Beto onetexan Nov 2018 #206

To be clear mchill Nov 2018 #238

They said that about Hillary Clinton too. Trumpocalypse Nov 2018 #84

I never see these comments about the dozens of other Senators who called on Franken to resign. PBass Nov 2018 #9

How many others Senators that you are discussing in your Sherman A1 Nov 2018 #12

Several other potential presidential candidates called for Franken to resign: PBass Nov 2018 #22

Good points, although to be fair... Bucky Nov 2018 #34

Leader of something? A DAY IN THE LIFE Nov 2018 #61

She was just re-elected handily Danmel Nov 2018 #174

But she was the leader and the most vocal. And yes, it was ALL crap. She needs to not run. LBM20 Nov 2018 #16

How was she the most vocal? Trumpocalypse Nov 2018 #85

You have convicted Franken just as she did wasupaloopa Nov 2018 #20

Al Franken RESIGNED. He was not forced out. PBass Nov 2018 #23

He asked for a full investigation of the alligations. Merlot Nov 2018 #27

No He asked for a. Ethics investigation Trumpocalypse Nov 2018 #86

That's an excellent start. NurseJackie Nov 2018 #94

Then he shouldn't have resigned Trumpocalypse Nov 2018 #107

He saw the battle would harm the party... NurseJackie Nov 2018 #112

Yes He sacrificed himself for the good of the party Trumpocalypse Nov 2018 #123

Franken was railroaded. NurseJackie Nov 2018 #129

Then he shouldn't have resigned Trumpocalypse Nov 2018 #134

... NurseJackie Nov 2018 #136

It's reality Trumpocalypse Nov 2018 #139

If it was a sacrifice then he would have put a stop to the blame and bashing this last year. Wintryjade Nov 2018 #125

You're not the only disappointed one... NurseJackie Nov 2018 #130

Franken was a hero,. Trumpocalypse Nov 2018 #137

I am all for Frankin addressing this and running again. I think he would have an easy win. Wintryjade Nov 2018 #144

Franken was forced out, he was betrayed by some Democrats but mostly Gillibrand. Bluepinky Nov 2018 #46

Yes. Betrayed. That's a good word to describe it. NurseJackie Nov 2018 #133

Actually Trumpocalypse Nov 2018 #153

OR with Frankin's cooperation, there might be something we simply are not privileged in knowing. Wintryjade Nov 2018 #156

Franken is not responsible for that. Trumpocalypse Nov 2018 #158

I am not talking Du unless the only place this is an issue is here. We do not know what happened. Wintryjade Nov 2018 #161

That's true. Trumpocalypse Nov 2018 #164

Right. She isn't one of the contenders I am watching. I do not think she has a shot. Wintryjade Nov 2018 #165

So do I Trumpocalypse Nov 2018 #166

Yes, all got quiet, including any other accusers once he stepped down. brush Nov 2018 #193

You have to ignore so much to make your post. Wintryjade Nov 2018 #218

Yes Trumpocalypse Nov 2018 #220

This + Amazing to me too, as if she engineered the whole thing. It was a leadership decision. JHan Nov 2018 #28

Kirsten was the first to call for Franken's resignation. Bluepinky Nov 2018 #48

Do you really believe a junior senator would have made that move without leadership knowing? JHan Nov 2018 #67

No, I believe she did it with Schumer's blessing dansolo Nov 2018 #81

I think it very much was a collective decision. JHan Nov 2018 #82

I don't think it's odd to blame her, who would you rather blame? Bluepinky Nov 2018 #115

How could you blame one person for a collective decision? JHan Nov 2018 #121

Please don't confuse them Trumpocalypse Nov 2018 #159

As I said before, Gillibrand was the first to call on Franken to resign. Bluepinky Nov 2018 #170

He never said the charges were bogus Trumpocalypse Nov 2018 #157

Franken said the charges against him were untrue, whatever his exact words were. Bluepinky Nov 2018 #173

He asked for an Ethics investigation Trumpocalypse Nov 2018 #183

The Democrats should support their own. Bluepinky Nov 2018 #196

The Democrats were being set up as hypocrites Trumpocalypse Nov 2018 #199

Well, they made the wrong choice. Bluepinky Nov 2018 #202

I'm with you roscoeroscoe Nov 2018 #207

Best Senator??? How so? Trumpocalypse Nov 2018 #210

I'm entitled to my opinion, I don't have a link to my opinions. Bluepinky Nov 2018 #211

Even opinions should have some basis in facts. Trumpocalypse Nov 2018 #212

No, I just like him, always have. Bluepinky Nov 2018 #213

Nothing wrong with that. Trumpocalypse Nov 2018 #214

Well, he does ask insightful questions, he has a sharp mind Bluepinky Nov 2018 #221

True Trumpocalypse Nov 2018 #222

He has a good head on his shoulders Bluepinky Nov 2018 #223

Again true Trumpocalypse Nov 2018 #226

yup. JHan Nov 2018 #185

Very true Trumpocalypse Nov 2018 #88

But Trumpocalypse Nov 2018 #90

Gillibrand was the first... PoliticAverse Nov 2018 #160

Thanks for the info Raine Nov 2018 #187

You can't give in roscoeroscoe Nov 2018 #205

I think people who pose this question, which has been posed here umpteen times before with the same Squinch Nov 2018 #14

Too much baggage. Was head of the Franken railroading. NO! LBM20 Nov 2018 #15

Yes the whole Franken thing has damaged Trumpocalypse Nov 2018 #162

That's in her state in a Dem blue wave. It's best she was re-elected. brush Nov 2018 #224

Maybe Trumpocalypse Nov 2018 #225

What she did to Franken was unforgivable. NurseJackie Nov 2018 #17

What about the 38 other Senators? Trumpocalypse Nov 2018 #92

Franken was railroaded. Denied due process. NurseJackie Nov 2018 #93

He asked for an ethics investigation Trumpocalypse Nov 2018 #105

... NurseJackie Nov 2018 #111

You can laugh Trumpocalypse Nov 2018 #120

That's not why I'm laughing. NurseJackie Nov 2018 #135

Then why are you? Trumpocalypse Nov 2018 #138

... NurseJackie Nov 2018 #143

I just figured it out Trumpocalypse Nov 2018 #152

Wrong again. NurseJackie Nov 2018 #154

Truth does mean a lot to me Trumpocalypse Nov 2018 #155

How do you feel about Al Franken? wasupaloopa Nov 2018 #19

This message was self-deleted by its author Freelancer Nov 2018 #29

Thus far she has defined herself or been defined on 1 issue Raven123 Nov 2018 #39

She was a consevadem representative but when Hillary's Senate seat... brush Nov 2018 #41

Do you have actual evidence that any of them had problems finding new jobs? brooklynite Nov 2018 #104

This message was self-deleted by its author Freelancer Nov 2018 #169

Some of us don't make claims we don't know to be true. brooklynite Nov 2018 #197

This message was self-deleted by its author Freelancer Nov 2018 #215

Tina Smith to keep top Franken aides in D.C. brooklynite Nov 2018 #230

She's as capable many of the other younger Democratic contenders. aikoaiko Nov 2018 #21

Well... on the guns. In It to Win It Nov 2018 #30

Does she have any beliefs of her own? roody Nov 2018 #216

From all the interviews I've seen of her, I think she genuinely believes we should have... In It to Win It Nov 2018 #233

I have no opinion of Kirsten Gillibrand In It to Win It Nov 2018 #24

No Chipper Chat Nov 2018 #25

There used to be a time where saying that you "can't stand" a prominent Democrat was frowned upon oberliner Nov 2018 #35

If Gillibrand is our candidate I think we will be spending a lot of time post-election jalan48 Nov 2018 #36

She was just on Chris Hayes and he soft-balled it all the way. No questions at all pertinent to hlthe2b Nov 2018 #148

I think it would be a disaster if we chose her as the nominee. jalan48 Nov 2018 #151

never roody Nov 2018 #38

We'll lose if she's at the top of the ticket. CrispyQ Nov 2018 #42

She burned that bridge. She'll never win a primary Takket Nov 2018 #43

We'd be lucky to have her. MrsCoffee Nov 2018 #45

she forced them apparently. That's tremendous power wielding ability. JHan Nov 2018 #75

Will never forgive her lillypaddle Nov 2018 #47

Well, it HAS been a month since folks have been able to have an "I hate Gillibrand" rant... brooklynite Nov 2018 #50

Outside the DU bubble Trumpocalypse Nov 2018 #91

She's my senator. If she is the senatorial candidate next time, I'll vote for her. But I wouldn't Squinch Nov 2018 #98

Does the same principle apply to every other Democratic Senator? brooklynite Nov 2018 #99

Obviously not. Just the ones who would make weak Presidential candidates. Squinch Nov 2018 #100

Fair enough; but you've said nothing about WHY Gillibrand would be a weak candidate... brooklynite Nov 2018 #103

That's nice. Squinch Nov 2018 #108

FYI Trumpocalypse Nov 2018 #109

That's why I posted this Algernon Moncrieff Nov 2018 #167

If just as many Trumpocalypse Nov 2018 #184

I have a great amount of respect and appreciation for her. WeekiWater Nov 2018 #51

You can't express this opinion without bashing Franken? How transparent of you. Squinch Nov 2018 #56

Are you talking about the accidental auto correct my phone did? WeekiWater Nov 2018 #68

Well, no I wasn't being facetious because there was no way to know that when you referred Squinch Nov 2018 #69

Franken himself would have seen it as a transparent auto correct... WeekiWater Nov 2018 #71

That's a bizarre statement. Squinch Nov 2018 #83

She chose to quickly hammer Al Franken in such a way, that Dems lined up behind her and fell like Ninga Nov 2018 #52

Quickly? That would be 8 accusations later. Wintryjade Nov 2018 #70

I believe the first leeAnn Weeden was Nov 17 Ninga Nov 2018 #118

Ok. So three weeks and 7 more accusations is quick in your book. That would be subjective. Wintryjade Nov 2018 #127

Unsubstantiated accusations as there was no investigation. brush Nov 2018 #227

How do you define quickly? Trumpocalypse Nov 2018 #200

I haven't forgiven her for stabbing Al Frnken in the back. vlyons Nov 2018 #53

She's ok as a senator. dhol82 Nov 2018 #55

I logged in to vote that Mme. Defarge Nov 2018 #57

Meh. We can do better TexasBushwhacker Nov 2018 #58

She's better in the senate LeftInTX Nov 2018 #76

I agree TexasBushwhacker Nov 2018 #80

She won her Senate seat in NY by 33 points oberliner Nov 2018 #97

Perhaps. But she got 1 Million fewer votes than in 2012 TexasBushwhacker Nov 2018 #113

2012 was a presidential election year oberliner Nov 2018 #114

No shit TexasBushwhacker Nov 2018 #116

Almost 4 million people across New York state voted for her oberliner Nov 2018 #117

I am "dismissive" because I don't find her inspiring TexasBushwhacker Nov 2018 #124

OK fair enough oberliner Nov 2018 #194

I would like to see Beto O'Rourke as VP TexasBushwhacker Nov 2018 #198

I like Kamala Harris a lot oberliner Nov 2018 #201

I do too TexasBushwhacker Nov 2018 #208

Not after her hatchet job on Al Franken. (nt) Paladin Nov 2018 #59

I won't support anyone that drove over Franken, including madville Nov 2018 #60

Interesting...you hoping for Biden, or maybe O'rourke or Warren? nt JCanete Nov 2018 #219

Steve Bullock would be my first choice madville Nov 2018 #237

No one has a stronger anti-Trump voting record in the Senate than she does oberliner Nov 2018 #62

I think this is the greatest hypocrisy we Dems have fallen into. Generally we are pretty good Wintryjade Nov 2018 #72

She had to be talked out of co-sponsoring a bill that would have made boycotting Israel a felony. Garrett78 Nov 2018 #74

+1 roody Nov 2018 #177

She's never struck me as being a sit back and listen type. haele Nov 2018 #77

The post above states he would not vote for Gillabrand because she was cosponsoring a bill, yet was Wintryjade Nov 2018 #78

Unlikely to vote for her in primary Retrograde Nov 2018 #89

Her voting record is to the left of Harris, Booker, Klobacher, and Warren oberliner Nov 2018 #95

We have so many other high quality and respectable Democrats to choose from... NurseJackie Nov 2018 #96

A female nominee would have to be exceptional to withstand Trump's onslaught Awsi Dooger Nov 2018 #101

How does Al Franken feel about her? n/t PoliticAverse Nov 2018 #102

Ah, yah........I hold her completely accountable for Senator Franken's demise...... a kennedy Nov 2018 #119

Nope. Two words: Al Franken. catbyte Nov 2018 #122

It doesn't matter what we think SHRED Nov 2018 #126

Your first statement is the reason your second statement is not true Renew Deal Nov 2018 #132

Seems like a knee jerk reactionary sometimes. Afromania Nov 2018 #128

Seems like people on DU are very excited about her Renew Deal Nov 2018 #131

Not by this poll. DU is excited by her, in a negative way. dem4decades Nov 2018 #141

exactly... only a little over 5% support her on this poll. hlthe2b Nov 2018 #149

How did you come to this conclusion? Nt USALiberal Nov 2018 #168

You should read the whole thread. Most on DU are against her. There are a few repeat... brush Nov 2018 #228

Strike 1 - NRA. Strike 2 - Big Tabacco. Strike 3 - Al Franken dem4decades Nov 2018 #140

Strike 4: creepy, self definition as "morally" driven stuffmatters Nov 2018 #192

I definitely will not support her in the primary. MoonRiver Nov 2018 #142

She led the parade... Mike Nelson Nov 2018 #146

Thumbs down. shanny Nov 2018 #150

NO! NO! NO! question everything Nov 2018 #163

She has the most anti-Trump voting record of anyone in the US Senate oberliner Nov 2018 #240

NOPE! allgood33 Nov 2018 #171

No. nt greyl Nov 2018 #172

I trust Al Franken's opinion on questions like this Mr. Ected Nov 2018 #175

Al Franken exboyfil Nov 2018 #176

she's not even in the top two for female potential nominees qazplm135 Nov 2018 #178

In reference to 2020 only: DFW Nov 2018 #181

After her grandstanding with Al Franken and how she's treated other allies -- NOT A CHANCE IN HELL. Stand and Fight Nov 2018 #182

I will never forgive her for Franken. It was republican hit job and she knew it. wroberts189 Nov 2018 #186

Gillibrand on Kavanaugh Wintryjade Nov 2018 #188

I will support the nominee. tavernier Nov 2018 #195

Al Franken RandiFan1290 Nov 2018 #209

I don't know enough about her voting record... cynatnite Nov 2018 #217

She has the most anti-Trump voting record of anyone in the US Senate oberliner Nov 2018 #239

Al Franken hit job. Never forgetting, don't trust her. mahina Nov 2018 #229

Gillibrand's statement on Franken was coordinated with the others. They chose her to go first. tammywammy Nov 2018 #231

Not interested. VOX Nov 2018 #234

She's fine just where she is Seasider Nov 2018 #235

We have better choices customerserviceguy Nov 2018 #236