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46. Franken was forced out, he was betrayed by some Democrats but mostly Gillibrand.

Fri Nov 23, 2018, 01:01 PM

Nov 2018

She was the first to call for his resignation, despite the fact he had stated the charges were bogus and had requested a full investigation. He only resigned after several more Democrats also asked him to leave.
Kirsten is personally responsible for the resignation of one of our best and brightest Senators. She has terrible judgement, and I will never forgive her.

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Thinking about 2020: How do you feel about Kirsten Gillibrand? [View all] Algernon Moncrieff Nov 2018 OP

She threw Franken under the bus, then backed up over him. nt Persondem Nov 2018 #1

Yep. I will never forget that Freethinker65 Nov 2018 #2

Yep, and she threw her 2020 chances under the same bus. brush Nov 2018 #3

+100000000 Pachamama Nov 2018 #4

I'm with... MyOwnPeace Nov 2018 #65

second that onetexan Nov 2018 #204

Like your wording, and most definitely agree. n/t Judi Lynn Nov 2018 #189

Yep Lotusflower70 Nov 2018 #32

Thats it. snort Nov 2018 #37

+1.000,000,000,000,000,000,000 (where is the no f'in way response?) hlthe2b Nov 2018 #40

+1 Power 2 the People Nov 2018 #79

Yup, showed a stunning lack of judgment and fairness workinclasszero Nov 2018 #63

And because of that, I will never vote for her in any primary. CozyMystery Nov 2018 #73

So, as of 4 pm ET, 12/213 support her (5.6%, like or love her) Not very good for her hlthe2b Nov 2018 #87

She crapped on Senator Franken. I don't like her. And don't hate on my post - i'm saying same thing trueblue2007 Nov 2018 #106

That's exactly why she lost my support Stargazer09 Nov 2018 #180

Gillibrand's Treatment of Franken Is Still On My Mind Vogon_Glory Nov 2018 #190

Agreed roscoeroscoe Nov 2018 #203

No way, no how tparrett62 Nov 2018 #232

No, thanks. We can do much better. MineralMan Nov 2018 #5

I've never seen her speak. I'm neutral. Bucky Nov 2018 #6

"Al Franklin" looks like an autocorrect error Algernon Moncrieff Nov 2018 #8

Guilty as charged Bucky Nov 2018 #10

Not to worry Vogon_Glory Nov 2018 #191

Saw her on Colbert Merlot Nov 2018 #11

Thank you. Bucky Nov 2018 #18

My experience as well. ZZenith Nov 2018 #54

Her record in opposing the Trump agenda is one of the best... PBass Nov 2018 #26

Good to know. Now... about that 7% Bucky Nov 2018 #33

+1 MrsCoffee Nov 2018 #49

I have seen her speak crazycatlady Nov 2018 #145

Similar thoughts here... susanna Nov 2018 #179

Political opportunist. LakeArenal Nov 2018 #7

Damn Bucky Nov 2018 #13

Will support the nominee. LakeArenal Nov 2018 #64

Brown is supposedly thinking it over... RazBerryBeret Nov 2018 #110

Not sure how Sherrod Brown made your list? Raven123 Nov 2018 #31

Joe Biden and Beto! Friends and family of all ages are on the Joe/Beto bus. Just sayin'! cornball 24 Nov 2018 #44

Yep LakeArenal Nov 2018 #66

I was in the Beto Dodge Caravan mchill Nov 2018 #147

Thank u for your work and keep supporting Beto onetexan Nov 2018 #206

To be clear mchill Nov 2018 #238

They said that about Hillary Clinton too. Trumpocalypse Nov 2018 #84

I never see these comments about the dozens of other Senators who called on Franken to resign. PBass Nov 2018 #9

How many others Senators that you are discussing in your Sherman A1 Nov 2018 #12

Several other potential presidential candidates called for Franken to resign: PBass Nov 2018 #22

Good points, although to be fair... Bucky Nov 2018 #34

Leader of something? A DAY IN THE LIFE Nov 2018 #61

She was just re-elected handily Danmel Nov 2018 #174

But she was the leader and the most vocal. And yes, it was ALL crap. She needs to not run. LBM20 Nov 2018 #16

How was she the most vocal? Trumpocalypse Nov 2018 #85

You have convicted Franken just as she did wasupaloopa Nov 2018 #20

Al Franken RESIGNED. He was not forced out. PBass Nov 2018 #23

He asked for a full investigation of the alligations. Merlot Nov 2018 #27

No He asked for a. Ethics investigation Trumpocalypse Nov 2018 #86

That's an excellent start. NurseJackie Nov 2018 #94

Then he shouldn't have resigned Trumpocalypse Nov 2018 #107

He saw the battle would harm the party... NurseJackie Nov 2018 #112

Yes He sacrificed himself for the good of the party Trumpocalypse Nov 2018 #123

Franken was railroaded. NurseJackie Nov 2018 #129

Then he shouldn't have resigned Trumpocalypse Nov 2018 #134

... NurseJackie Nov 2018 #136

It's reality Trumpocalypse Nov 2018 #139

If it was a sacrifice then he would have put a stop to the blame and bashing this last year. Wintryjade Nov 2018 #125

You're not the only disappointed one... NurseJackie Nov 2018 #130

Franken was a hero,. Trumpocalypse Nov 2018 #137

I am all for Frankin addressing this and running again. I think he would have an easy win. Wintryjade Nov 2018 #144

Franken was forced out, he was betrayed by some Democrats but mostly Gillibrand. Bluepinky Nov 2018 #46

Yes. Betrayed. That's a good word to describe it. NurseJackie Nov 2018 #133

Actually Trumpocalypse Nov 2018 #153

OR with Frankin's cooperation, there might be something we simply are not privileged in knowing. Wintryjade Nov 2018 #156

Franken is not responsible for that. Trumpocalypse Nov 2018 #158

I am not talking Du unless the only place this is an issue is here. We do not know what happened. Wintryjade Nov 2018 #161

That's true. Trumpocalypse Nov 2018 #164

Right. She isn't one of the contenders I am watching. I do not think she has a shot. Wintryjade Nov 2018 #165

So do I Trumpocalypse Nov 2018 #166

Yes, all got quiet, including any other accusers once he stepped down. brush Nov 2018 #193

You have to ignore so much to make your post. Wintryjade Nov 2018 #218

Yes Trumpocalypse Nov 2018 #220

This + Amazing to me too, as if she engineered the whole thing. It was a leadership decision. JHan Nov 2018 #28

Kirsten was the first to call for Franken's resignation. Bluepinky Nov 2018 #48

Do you really believe a junior senator would have made that move without leadership knowing? JHan Nov 2018 #67

No, I believe she did it with Schumer's blessing dansolo Nov 2018 #81

I think it very much was a collective decision. JHan Nov 2018 #82

I don't think it's odd to blame her, who would you rather blame? Bluepinky Nov 2018 #115

How could you blame one person for a collective decision? JHan Nov 2018 #121

Please don't confuse them Trumpocalypse Nov 2018 #159

As I said before, Gillibrand was the first to call on Franken to resign. Bluepinky Nov 2018 #170

He never said the charges were bogus Trumpocalypse Nov 2018 #157

Franken said the charges against him were untrue, whatever his exact words were. Bluepinky Nov 2018 #173

He asked for an Ethics investigation Trumpocalypse Nov 2018 #183

The Democrats should support their own. Bluepinky Nov 2018 #196

The Democrats were being set up as hypocrites Trumpocalypse Nov 2018 #199

Well, they made the wrong choice. Bluepinky Nov 2018 #202

I'm with you roscoeroscoe Nov 2018 #207

Best Senator??? How so? Trumpocalypse Nov 2018 #210

I'm entitled to my opinion, I don't have a link to my opinions. Bluepinky Nov 2018 #211

Even opinions should have some basis in facts. Trumpocalypse Nov 2018 #212

No, I just like him, always have. Bluepinky Nov 2018 #213

Nothing wrong with that. Trumpocalypse Nov 2018 #214

Well, he does ask insightful questions, he has a sharp mind Bluepinky Nov 2018 #221

True Trumpocalypse Nov 2018 #222

He has a good head on his shoulders Bluepinky Nov 2018 #223

Again true Trumpocalypse Nov 2018 #226

yup. JHan Nov 2018 #185

Very true Trumpocalypse Nov 2018 #88

But Trumpocalypse Nov 2018 #90

Gillibrand was the first... PoliticAverse Nov 2018 #160

Thanks for the info Raine Nov 2018 #187

You can't give in roscoeroscoe Nov 2018 #205

I think people who pose this question, which has been posed here umpteen times before with the same Squinch Nov 2018 #14

Too much baggage. Was head of the Franken railroading. NO! LBM20 Nov 2018 #15

Yes the whole Franken thing has damaged Trumpocalypse Nov 2018 #162

That's in her state in a Dem blue wave. It's best she was re-elected. brush Nov 2018 #224

Maybe Trumpocalypse Nov 2018 #225

What she did to Franken was unforgivable. NurseJackie Nov 2018 #17

What about the 38 other Senators? Trumpocalypse Nov 2018 #92

Franken was railroaded. Denied due process. NurseJackie Nov 2018 #93

He asked for an ethics investigation Trumpocalypse Nov 2018 #105

... NurseJackie Nov 2018 #111

You can laugh Trumpocalypse Nov 2018 #120

That's not why I'm laughing. NurseJackie Nov 2018 #135

Then why are you? Trumpocalypse Nov 2018 #138

... NurseJackie Nov 2018 #143

I just figured it out Trumpocalypse Nov 2018 #152

Wrong again. NurseJackie Nov 2018 #154

Truth does mean a lot to me Trumpocalypse Nov 2018 #155

How do you feel about Al Franken? wasupaloopa Nov 2018 #19

This message was self-deleted by its author Freelancer Nov 2018 #29

Thus far she has defined herself or been defined on 1 issue Raven123 Nov 2018 #39

She was a consevadem representative but when Hillary's Senate seat... brush Nov 2018 #41

Do you have actual evidence that any of them had problems finding new jobs? brooklynite Nov 2018 #104

This message was self-deleted by its author Freelancer Nov 2018 #169

Some of us don't make claims we don't know to be true. brooklynite Nov 2018 #197

This message was self-deleted by its author Freelancer Nov 2018 #215

Tina Smith to keep top Franken aides in D.C. brooklynite Nov 2018 #230

She's as capable many of the other younger Democratic contenders. aikoaiko Nov 2018 #21

Well... on the guns. In It to Win It Nov 2018 #30

Does she have any beliefs of her own? roody Nov 2018 #216

From all the interviews I've seen of her, I think she genuinely believes we should have... In It to Win It Nov 2018 #233

I have no opinion of Kirsten Gillibrand In It to Win It Nov 2018 #24

No Chipper Chat Nov 2018 #25

There used to be a time where saying that you "can't stand" a prominent Democrat was frowned upon oberliner Nov 2018 #35

If Gillibrand is our candidate I think we will be spending a lot of time post-election jalan48 Nov 2018 #36

She was just on Chris Hayes and he soft-balled it all the way. No questions at all pertinent to hlthe2b Nov 2018 #148

I think it would be a disaster if we chose her as the nominee. jalan48 Nov 2018 #151

never roody Nov 2018 #38

We'll lose if she's at the top of the ticket. CrispyQ Nov 2018 #42

She burned that bridge. She'll never win a primary Takket Nov 2018 #43

We'd be lucky to have her. MrsCoffee Nov 2018 #45

she forced them apparently. That's tremendous power wielding ability. JHan Nov 2018 #75

Will never forgive her lillypaddle Nov 2018 #47

Well, it HAS been a month since folks have been able to have an "I hate Gillibrand" rant... brooklynite Nov 2018 #50

Outside the DU bubble Trumpocalypse Nov 2018 #91

She's my senator. If she is the senatorial candidate next time, I'll vote for her. But I wouldn't Squinch Nov 2018 #98

Does the same principle apply to every other Democratic Senator? brooklynite Nov 2018 #99

Obviously not. Just the ones who would make weak Presidential candidates. Squinch Nov 2018 #100

Fair enough; but you've said nothing about WHY Gillibrand would be a weak candidate... brooklynite Nov 2018 #103

That's nice. Squinch Nov 2018 #108

FYI Trumpocalypse Nov 2018 #109

That's why I posted this Algernon Moncrieff Nov 2018 #167

If just as many Trumpocalypse Nov 2018 #184

I have a great amount of respect and appreciation for her. WeekiWater Nov 2018 #51

You can't express this opinion without bashing Franken? How transparent of you. Squinch Nov 2018 #56

Are you talking about the accidental auto correct my phone did? WeekiWater Nov 2018 #68

Well, no I wasn't being facetious because there was no way to know that when you referred Squinch Nov 2018 #69

Franken himself would have seen it as a transparent auto correct... WeekiWater Nov 2018 #71

That's a bizarre statement. Squinch Nov 2018 #83

She chose to quickly hammer Al Franken in such a way, that Dems lined up behind her and fell like Ninga Nov 2018 #52

Quickly? That would be 8 accusations later. Wintryjade Nov 2018 #70

I believe the first leeAnn Weeden was Nov 17 Ninga Nov 2018 #118

Ok. So three weeks and 7 more accusations is quick in your book. That would be subjective. Wintryjade Nov 2018 #127

Unsubstantiated accusations as there was no investigation. brush Nov 2018 #227

How do you define quickly? Trumpocalypse Nov 2018 #200

I haven't forgiven her for stabbing Al Frnken in the back. vlyons Nov 2018 #53

She's ok as a senator. dhol82 Nov 2018 #55

I logged in to vote that Mme. Defarge Nov 2018 #57

Meh. We can do better TexasBushwhacker Nov 2018 #58

She's better in the senate LeftInTX Nov 2018 #76

I agree TexasBushwhacker Nov 2018 #80

She won her Senate seat in NY by 33 points oberliner Nov 2018 #97

Perhaps. But she got 1 Million fewer votes than in 2012 TexasBushwhacker Nov 2018 #113

2012 was a presidential election year oberliner Nov 2018 #114

No shit TexasBushwhacker Nov 2018 #116

Almost 4 million people across New York state voted for her oberliner Nov 2018 #117

I am "dismissive" because I don't find her inspiring TexasBushwhacker Nov 2018 #124

OK fair enough oberliner Nov 2018 #194

I would like to see Beto O'Rourke as VP TexasBushwhacker Nov 2018 #198

I like Kamala Harris a lot oberliner Nov 2018 #201

I do too TexasBushwhacker Nov 2018 #208

Not after her hatchet job on Al Franken. (nt) Paladin Nov 2018 #59

I won't support anyone that drove over Franken, including madville Nov 2018 #60

Interesting...you hoping for Biden, or maybe O'rourke or Warren? nt JCanete Nov 2018 #219

Steve Bullock would be my first choice madville Nov 2018 #237

No one has a stronger anti-Trump voting record in the Senate than she does oberliner Nov 2018 #62

I think this is the greatest hypocrisy we Dems have fallen into. Generally we are pretty good Wintryjade Nov 2018 #72

She had to be talked out of co-sponsoring a bill that would have made boycotting Israel a felony. Garrett78 Nov 2018 #74

+1 roody Nov 2018 #177

She's never struck me as being a sit back and listen type. haele Nov 2018 #77

The post above states he would not vote for Gillabrand because she was cosponsoring a bill, yet was Wintryjade Nov 2018 #78

Unlikely to vote for her in primary Retrograde Nov 2018 #89

Her voting record is to the left of Harris, Booker, Klobacher, and Warren oberliner Nov 2018 #95

We have so many other high quality and respectable Democrats to choose from... NurseJackie Nov 2018 #96

A female nominee would have to be exceptional to withstand Trump's onslaught Awsi Dooger Nov 2018 #101

How does Al Franken feel about her? n/t PoliticAverse Nov 2018 #102

Ah, yah........I hold her completely accountable for Senator Franken's demise...... a kennedy Nov 2018 #119

Nope. Two words: Al Franken. catbyte Nov 2018 #122

It doesn't matter what we think SHRED Nov 2018 #126

Your first statement is the reason your second statement is not true Renew Deal Nov 2018 #132

Seems like a knee jerk reactionary sometimes. Afromania Nov 2018 #128

Seems like people on DU are very excited about her Renew Deal Nov 2018 #131

Not by this poll. DU is excited by her, in a negative way. dem4decades Nov 2018 #141

exactly... only a little over 5% support her on this poll. hlthe2b Nov 2018 #149

How did you come to this conclusion? Nt USALiberal Nov 2018 #168

You should read the whole thread. Most on DU are against her. There are a few repeat... brush Nov 2018 #228

Strike 1 - NRA. Strike 2 - Big Tabacco. Strike 3 - Al Franken dem4decades Nov 2018 #140

Strike 4: creepy, self definition as "morally" driven stuffmatters Nov 2018 #192

I definitely will not support her in the primary. MoonRiver Nov 2018 #142

She led the parade... Mike Nelson Nov 2018 #146

Thumbs down. shanny Nov 2018 #150

NO! NO! NO! question everything Nov 2018 #163

She has the most anti-Trump voting record of anyone in the US Senate oberliner Nov 2018 #240

NOPE! allgood33 Nov 2018 #171

No. nt greyl Nov 2018 #172

I trust Al Franken's opinion on questions like this Mr. Ected Nov 2018 #175

Al Franken exboyfil Nov 2018 #176

she's not even in the top two for female potential nominees qazplm135 Nov 2018 #178

In reference to 2020 only: DFW Nov 2018 #181

After her grandstanding with Al Franken and how she's treated other allies -- NOT A CHANCE IN HELL. Stand and Fight Nov 2018 #182

I will never forgive her for Franken. It was republican hit job and she knew it. wroberts189 Nov 2018 #186

Gillibrand on Kavanaugh Wintryjade Nov 2018 #188

I will support the nominee. tavernier Nov 2018 #195

Al Franken RandiFan1290 Nov 2018 #209

I don't know enough about her voting record... cynatnite Nov 2018 #217

She has the most anti-Trump voting record of anyone in the US Senate oberliner Nov 2018 #239

Al Franken hit job. Never forgetting, don't trust her. mahina Nov 2018 #229

Gillibrand's statement on Franken was coordinated with the others. They chose her to go first. tammywammy Nov 2018 #231

Not interested. VOX Nov 2018 #234

She's fine just where she is Seasider Nov 2018 #235

We have better choices customerserviceguy Nov 2018 #236