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ehrnst

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98. You brought it up - and you're all over the map on topics.

Mon Jul 27, 2020, 07:34 PM

Jul 2020

I responded. And REALLY hit a nerve.

HRC and Ted Kennedy were certainly on the right side of history on that, wouldn't you say? By the standards of Sanders' current political messaging, anyway. And certainly where AOC and other kids like her are concerned.

HRC and Ted Kennedy got it DONE, unlike others who simply talked a whole lot about free health care, then voted no when they had a chance to make something real happen to bring it about, and claim "consistency" as a hallmark.

Since you brought it up, the "way more than half of the Democrats" who voted no on that bill didn't claim a corner on "morality" or infallibility on Health Care policy or make "free health care" their political brand.

But I'll bite - tell me the names any of the Democratic "no" votes who have.

I'll wait.

You see, Ted Kennedy learned a lesson about the cost of political purity for purity's sake in preventing one from getting real progress back in 1971. He understood when a foolish consistency to save face would prevent actually helping people, and didn't keep promoting the same failed tactic over and over again.

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360 Democratic delegates say they'll oppose party platform that does not include 'Medicare for All' [View all] babylonsister Jul 2020 OP

Good Sherman A1 Jul 2020 #1

That's too bad, because there are other ways to get to UHC, as the majority of the rest ehrnst Jul 2020 #2

They bought the brand name of MFA and don't have a clue what grantcart Jul 2020 #72

If you ask them just how long it took for Canada to implement their health care system ehrnst Jul 2020 #81

The campaigns to get rid of trump and elect Biden - do not need this trumpian diversion demand empedocles Jul 2020 #3

Well put. (nt) ehrnst Jul 2020 #9

At this point in time with so many losing their healthcare provided through their jobs this is Autumn Jul 2020 #4

The vast majority of Democrats voted for Biden, who ran on expanding the ACA. ehrnst Jul 2020 #6

I really don't care to go where you are trying to get me to. I applaud them for pushing for it. Autumn Jul 2020 #13

Admitting that Biden won by a huge margin over Sanders? ehrnst Jul 2020 #14

No, just replying to your post. I emptied my ignore list to read a nasty ass comment about AOC Autumn Jul 2020 #18

Utilize away! ehrnst Jul 2020 #23

Uh oh BannonsLiver Jul 2020 #111

This is a rather sad stunt that has no chance of sucess Gothmog Jul 2020 #25

Indeed. We complain about the tyranny of the Senate because of the outsized GOP representation ehrnst Jul 2020 #31

I getting irked at Politico Gothmog Jul 2020 #33

They are desperate for click income, so their headlines are getting more overwrought. (nt) ehrnst Jul 2020 #41

This is a poorly written article Gothmog Jul 2020 #46

As you guys say. In the end, the huge majority will pretend Hortensis Jul 2020 #80

Very on brand for a Holly BannonsLiver Jul 2020 #112

Crybabies DenverJared Jul 2020 #77

No it's not. It's not the time nor the place. WIN FIRST!!! Right now they (we).... George II Jul 2020 #42

I disagree completely. People are hurting, there is a pandemic and a severe healthcare crises. Autumn Jul 2020 #45

When someone actually comes up with a plan and we have a majority in the Senate...... George II Jul 2020 #47

I don't consider it to be divisiveness. This is Democrats letting people know that they want to get Autumn Jul 2020 #51

Obviously most Democrats do consider it divisive, especially since there is no comprehensive plan... George II Jul 2020 #54

Some of us don't consider attempting to do things that many people need and want to be divisive. Autumn Jul 2020 #56

Attempting to do things and actually doing them are two different things.... George II Jul 2020 #62

+1000. It makes perfect sense in the imagination, but in reality... ehrnst Jul 2020 #64

When it gets in the way of actually accomplishing something that people do need, then yes, ehrnst Jul 2020 #65

M4A is still not what the majority of Dems want, and it's not the only option... ehrnst Jul 2020 #63

What good does this silly stunt serve in the real world? Gothmog Jul 2020 #105

I am glad the sanders campaign is doing the right thing Gothmog Jul 2020 #114

sanders needs to remove these delegates Gothmog Jul 2020 #70

Its honorable angrychair Jul 2020 #5

Yes - UHC is inclusive, and M4A hasn't gotten off the ground in Congress since at least 1971. ehrnst Jul 2020 #7

Actually Medicare for All has been introduced at least in the House since the mid-1940s. George II Jul 2020 #48

Thank you for the reminder - Truman proposed it. That was our window for single payer. ehrnst Jul 2020 #49

I believe the goal is healthcare for everyone. LakeArenal Jul 2020 #8

+1000. ehrnst Jul 2020 #11

Sander supporters BGBD Jul 2020 #10

Thank you. Great points. (Nt) ehrnst Jul 2020 #12

Why don't they actually try to pass something in the Senate JI7 Jul 2020 #16

President Biden made his opposition to Medicare for All clear...but that was before COVID. BComplex Jul 2020 #15

Restoring and expanding the ACA has much, much greater support among Democrats. ehrnst Jul 2020 #35

I'm not opining about smart or non-smart; I'm saying Biden reserves the right to change his mind BComplex Jul 2020 #53

If he changes his mind on anything else, there are those on the far left who will ehrnst Jul 2020 #58

I doubt it. BComplex Jul 2020 #61

What evidence to you have that many far left Sanders supporters are "russian plants" and not ehrnst Jul 2020 #66

We don't need them. BlueLucy Jul 2020 #17

I'm glad this convention will be online ehrnst Jul 2020 #19

I hope that you right Gothmog Jul 2020 #22

I wish John Lewis had lived to see a convention where he got the ehrnst Jul 2020 #24

That's a beautiful wish, ehrnst.. Cha Jul 2020 #97

I hope that there is a tribute to him this year, and that those who showed such disrepect ehrnst Jul 2020 #109

I was a delegate to the 2016 convention and we were prepared for up to 4 floor votes Gothmog Jul 2020 #20

Protests are impossible with an online convention. former9thward Jul 2020 #94

It was despicable and so self centered. One good Cha Jul 2020 #100

I saw that during the Texas online convention Gothmog Jul 2020 #106

Brilliant! Cha Jul 2020 #107

Is Sanders still in office ? Why doesn't he try to actually pass it there ? JI7 Jul 2020 #21

He has been absent a lot lately. ehrnst Jul 2020 #26

I can understand health concerns, but when Vermont actually tried to pass single payer, Sanders did JI7 Jul 2020 #34

One would think that the state who sent Sanders to the Senate would have the will to implement it. ehrnst Jul 2020 #39

Who is in control of the Senate? Has anyone passed anything in the Senate? Other than a couple Autumn Jul 2020 #29

He has been in office for decades. JI7 Jul 2020 #32

The ACA and CHIPR passed in months. Before that Ted Kennedy and HRC got CHIP through in months. ehrnst Jul 2020 #40

That was then. Since Trump has been in office what has Mitch done? Nothing. The House Autumn Jul 2020 #44

I guess I'm off ignore... ehrnst Jul 2020 #50

I told you I emptied my ignore list to read a nasty comment about AOC . You don't like my Autumn Jul 2020 #55

You keep responding, even if it's just to frantically try to change the topic from one that's ehrnst Jul 2020 #57

I'm polite, when someone says something to me I respond. That's what people do on a discussion Autumn Jul 2020 #60

There is a difference between responding and attempting to be the last one to post. ehrnst Jul 2020 #67

There is a difference between responding and attempting to be the last one to post. Autumn Jul 2020 #82

And you are the textbook example! ehrnst Jul 2020 #83

Not hard at all, it was OT for the subject discussion . I know why he voted no vote on CHIP and Autumn Jul 2020 #84

Oh, hon, of course you don't. ehrnst Jul 2020 #85

So you weren't really looking for a response. No need to get personal, I'm sure there are Autumn Jul 2020 #86

And another non-response and another red herring. ehrnst Jul 2020 #87

Except I did respond to your question. You just didn't like my answer. nt Autumn Jul 2020 #88

Except no, you actually didn't. ehrnst Jul 2020 #89

Yes I was rather clear. There have been "no" votes on Democratic issues by Democrats Autumn Jul 2020 #90

Attacking a strawman yet again. ehrnst Jul 2020 #91

Wait.. Have you moved on from your discussion about Bernie's no vote on CHIPS? Autumn Jul 2020 #96

You brought it up - and you're all over the map on topics. ehrnst Jul 2020 #98

You brought up his vote "no" vote on CHIPS, I gave you MY opinion on that one single vote. Autumn Jul 2020 #99

And you still avoid the issue... ehrnst Jul 2020 #101

I don't avoid the issue ehrnst, I just won't discuss it with you. Autumn Jul 2020 #103

You still engage, while avoiding the hard truths and attempting to change the topic. ehrnst Jul 2020 #108

lefties would rather have 4 more years of Trump. incredible. greenman3610 Jul 2020 #27

And this behavior makes them lose influence not gain influence. Demsrule86 Jul 2020 #92

Okay. The platform won't include it, of course. Hortensis Jul 2020 #28

Good points. (nt) ehrnst Jul 2020 #73

I see only one goal in mind. Get rump/gop out of the WH and Senate. Period. All other good ... SWBTATTReg Jul 2020 #30

60 out of a few thousand? OK Renew Deal Jul 2020 #36

Apparently symbolism and purity are more important? brooklynite Jul 2020 #37

It's never too late to find a way to lose ucrdem Jul 2020 #38

Less than 5% of the total delegates. They clearly know that this is not enough to make it happen. ehrnst Jul 2020 #43

I guess they are upset Biden is doing so well and has proven them wrong. honest.abe Jul 2020 #52

That was said of most other candidates. ehrnst Jul 2020 #59

Did you read it? babylonsister Jul 2020 #68

So what happens if the Biden team does not give in to the demands from this group?? honest.abe Jul 2020 #69

Thankfully, this year it's online, so we won't be an opportunity for booing civil rights ehrnst Jul 2020 #71

Indeed. honest.abe Jul 2020 #74

I imagine that the meeting leader has the ability to determine who has the floor ehrnst Jul 2020 #76

They could do it online somewhere else just to make their point. honest.abe Jul 2020 #78

No one will be paying attention to this silliness Gothmog Jul 2020 #104

Biden will be gracious, and self-secure in his dealings with them. ehrnst Jul 2020 #110

I have seen this...here and on twitter. They don't want Trump but they don't want a Biden Demsrule86 Jul 2020 #93

That is less than 10% of the total delegates. DenverJared Jul 2020 #75

Echos of Jill Stein? Is this the start of Susan Sarandon's "revolution"? nt JustABozoOnThisBus Jul 2020 #79

Right now we're working on saving people's souls. We'll get around to their health later. jalan48 Jul 2020 #95

Universal health care in ***any** form won't be enacted under Facism, that's for sure. ehrnst Jul 2020 #102

The Sanders campaign is doing the right thing Gothmog Jul 2020 #113