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In reply to the discussion: Does it hurt politicians who endorse a candidate who compared Biden to a BOWL-OF-SHIT? [View all]NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)71. You know perfectly well that I'm not "quoting" anyone's talking points.
You basically quoted talking points which have been repetitive on right-wing radio--- against giving "awards" to student athletes who didn't actually "win" contests, and aimed those same talking points, almost word-for-word, against a senator who caucuses with our party.
Bullshit. Everyone knows perfectly well that I'm not "quoting" anyone's talking points. I've made VALID points and LEGITIMATE criticism. Also, it's easy to see that my criticism is LESS about "a senator who caucuses with our party" and MORE about the fact that the over-the-top adoration is misplaced.
Instead of admitting I'm right, and instead of rebutting the facts... I'm being PERSONALLY ATTACKED AND INSULTED (yet again) as being a "right-wing" mouthpiece. Attacking the messenger is a lazy defense. Please stop. I haven't attacked you. Nobody is entitled to attack and insult me. Mature people should be able to control their temper and not use it as an excuse to lash out at others.
and you offered nothing.
The numbers don't lie. People can try to split hairs and "massage" new meanings into the numbers, but the facts are the facts and they're plain as the nose on someone's face. Right there for all to see.
Last place is STILL last place. It will always be last place. Nothing will change that. It's not subjective or in need of anyone's interpretation or excuses.
than the "least loyal" Democratic party senator.
I never said "least loyal" ... so what good purpose does it serve for anyone to put those words in quotes and attribute it to me as if it was something I said. Why? That's dishonest. Stop it!
I asked you to offer evidence of Sanders' votes that were particularly "wrong" for the Democratic party, and you offered nothing.
That's not true. Nobody ever asked any such thing of me. Please do not use false statement to try and score-points against me. Stop it!
I don't care much about your attack on Sanders...
I have not attacked him. I. Have. Not. Attacked. Him. Continually repeating something that's false does NOT make it true. Stop it! Just fucking stop it!
but using right-wing tropes to do it goes way over the line.
I do not use "right-wing tropes". Every word I've spoken or written has been carefully considered and is true. I'm very thoughtful and measured in what I say. I do not over-react. I do not attack. I do not smear.
I also do not make FALSE ACCUSATIONS about others on this discussion forum. I don't try to excuse bad behavior by claiming to lose my temper.
about how the "less than perfect" athletes should receive no honors for participating, as an attack against Sanders.
No, I never said anything of the sort. Stop making shit up! I never attacked Sanders. Stop making shit up!
Intelligent readers understand that the "youth soccer" comment is about a harmful laissez-faire philosophy, helicopter-parenting, my-child-can-do-no-wrong, and an intellectual trap, that the most ardent defenders have fallen into. This is POLITICS, not youth-soccer... and it shouldn't be treated that way. It should be results-based, not effort-based. It should be about doing things that benefit the citizens, not building egos or engaging in political stunts for fundraising.
In the real world, politicians should not get points for showing up and "trying"... or for "sticking to their guns"... or for "never compromising". Politicians should not be praised for voting against GOOD legislation simply because it's not "perfect". In the end, those types of politicians accomplish NOTHING (but inexplicably their fans praise them anyway.) Politicians should not be encouraged to "tank" bipartisan hard-fought-for legislation because it involved compromise. Their fans shouldn't encourage that type of destructive and regressive behavior either.
The hard work is not in "being stubborn" with a doomed-to-fail philosophy of "all or nothing". Instead, the HARD work is done by SMART legislators who know how to negotiate and make difficult deals... and who know how to swallow their pride and make compromises and find common ground. Wise legislators know that some progress is better than ZERO progress.
We accomplish things with an all-hands-on-deck attitude. We hold back the GOP by voting consistently WITH the Biden/Harris administration. Without fail. Every single one. There should be ZERO "last place" senators. Everyone should be TIED FOR FIRST PLACE!! Everyone!!
Maybe you did not realize the sources of what you were quoting?
What bullshit! I don't know how anyone could be more INSULTING to me than this is right now. Please be aware that I'm perfectly capable of independent thought, and that the words and ideas that I speak and write are my own. I live in the real world. Nobody speaks for me. I don't go around quoting right-wing sources. Do not treat me as though I do not have a brain. Fact of the matter is this... if someone is going to accuse me of quoting RW sources, then they need to PROVE their accusation. Otherwise, nip it!
I give you the "benefit of the doubt" on that, for the moment.
Oh good lord! You'll do WHAT? 
What would be more productive is to explain to me why it is that anything less than fawning praise is characterized as an "right-wing"? Why is even the slightest criticism from perfectly RATIONAL and loyal Democrats characterized as an "attack"? It's ridiculous. Total farce.
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Does it hurt politicians who endorse a candidate who compared Biden to a BOWL-OF-SHIT? [View all]
NurseJackie
Jul 2021
OP
I can only presume that anyone who endorses her must also AGREE with her vulgar comments.
NurseJackie
Jul 2021
#3
I don't think he had much choice. She was completely loyal to him over two cycles.
Dream Girl
Jul 2021
#6
Bernie has always had a rather strained relationship with the Democratic Party...
Wounded Bear
Jul 2021
#7
I guess it depends on what one means by "generally". Bernie ranks LAST in the Democratic caucus...
NurseJackie
Jul 2021
#9
Where can I find the documentation, or vote-rankings, that support this statement?
DemocraticPatriot
Jul 2021
#11
Without now knowing which specific votes Sanders voted against Biden's position on,
DemocraticPatriot
Jul 2021
#23
I admitted that sometimes Sanders may be more ideological than practical.
DemocraticPatriot
Jul 2021
#46
The poster is erecting a strawman. It was TWO votes total he voted against the Biden stance
Celerity
Jul 2021
#32
Two more than 35 other Democratic Senators. It should be remembered, also, that in 2016.....
George II
Jul 2021
#35
you need to give up that old UPS board disnfo dross, he blocked 2 of them because the unions
Celerity
Jul 2021
#36
He actually blocked five members, who were all nominated by Obama at the same time...
George II
Jul 2021
#37
McTurtle blocked the rest in retaliation for the 2, as I already showed. I have no idea why Obama
Celerity
Jul 2021
#38
I trust President Obama's judgement more than I do the junior Senator from VT. He was President....
George II
Jul 2021
#39
It was from The Hill, which is not a right wing site. But, I changed the link to a similar one....
George II
Jul 2021
#42
no he didn't, and Trump would have gotten to appoint a Rethug majority anyway, due to terms expiring
Celerity
Jul 2021
#43
Those "two votes" are two votes more than either Manchin or Sinema voted against....
George II
Jul 2021
#59
Do you have any understanding about how much you sound like a right-winger,
DemocraticPatriot
Jul 2021
#49
I haven't attacked YOU. Why do you feel that it's okay to attack and insult ME?
NurseJackie
Jul 2021
#53
At the ripe old age of seventy-mumble, I've seen my fair share of sexist behavior.
NurseJackie
Jul 2021
#60
You were quoting the same 'talking points' I have heard on right-wing radio....
DemocraticPatriot
Jul 2021
#68
You're calling a long-time DUer a "right-winger"? C'mon man, please apologize.
George II
Jul 2021
#67
Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders voted the same about 93% when they were senators.
betsuni
Jul 2021
#52
My bet is that the average voter in OH-11 is VERY familiar with the person who made the comment....
George II
Jul 2021
#22
Yes, she's running as a Democrat. THIS is why she's running as a Democrat, from the party....
George II
Jul 2021
#81