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Aussie105

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79. Research not needed, surely?

Sun Jan 2, 2022, 06:31 PM

Jan 2022

How vaccines are made and how they work is clearly established. Were, decades, centuries ago.

But this is the bit that convinced me, way back 60 years ago in high school:

Edward Jenner, smallpox vaccine, 1764:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1200696/

The mechanism that worked using deliberate infection by non-lethal cowpox as protection against lethal smallpox is now well established.
In one word: antibodies.

What do they teach in American schools? Not that obviously, and definitely not how to decide whether an internet source is legit or pure BS.
Get your act together, educators!

But if I DIDN'T want the vaccination, I could find lots of reasons why on the internet.
But the decision not to get vaccinated came first, live - or die - on YOUR decision.

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"I've done my own research and decided not to get the vaccine". [View all] milestogo Jan 2022 OP

I always wonder Diamond_Dog Jan 2022 #1

Because at some level they already know what the answer would be. milestogo Jan 2022 #2

Confirmation Bias. BlueIdaho Jan 2022 #24

Yes! keithbvadu2 Jan 2022 #50

Bingo. paleotn Jan 2022 #54

Yep. They've "researched" it, alright. calimary Jan 2022 #61

-Or the bed of a red Chevy pickup. soldierant Jan 2022 #88

Bingo Farmer-Rick Jan 2022 #58

What doctors should do: ret5hd Jan 2022 #4

They should Rebl2 Jan 2022 #19

Hell, most of them can't even stand up to Dark n Stormy Knight Jan 2022 #104

So true Rebl2 Jan 2022 #108

And refer them to a doctor who will treat them for their self-diagnosis keithbvadu2 Jan 2022 #53

Dr. Oz, Dr. Google, Dr. Twitter... ret5hd Jan 2022 #71

Tried that and failed... allegorical oracle Jan 2022 #91

It never fails to astound me... ailsagirl Jan 2022 #93

Near As I Can Tell RobinA Jan 2022 #110

People don't seem to have much common sense these days. Haggard Celine Jan 2022 #3

Its like getting your manicurist to do your heart surgery. milestogo Jan 2022 #5

There you go! Haggard Celine Jan 2022 #6

Well, electing Trump in 2016, and then the fact that 70 million people voted for the guy PatrickforB Jan 2022 #38

I'm not a plumber, but good ones are skilled individuals johnnyfins Jan 2022 #106

I get it, but stand by my analogy. A plumber may be VERY talented. However, I would not PatrickforB Jan 2022 #119

every time there is a theory of gravity, it is mixed up with fringe mathematics. kiri Jan 2022 #46

Now You Tell Me! RobinA Jan 2022 #112

Tides disprove 'gravity' kiri Jan 2022 #57

Never a "misunderstanding"... (n/t) Moostache Jan 2022 #107

it seems to me airplaneman Jan 2022 #74

Humans, by nature, are not rational creatures. Kaleva Jan 2022 #83

It Is A Feature RobinA Jan 2022 #111

Wiki is not research, either. fierywoman Jan 2022 #7

In its defense, it can be a place to begin, but then yes, you do need to PatrickforB Jan 2022 #40

If you have a trusted resource it doesn't have to be that complicated. milestogo Jan 2022 #113

Indeed. That is all you need concerning whether to get vaxxed or not. I research labor market PatrickforB Jan 2022 #118

Can I get your primary source, multigraincracker Jan 2022 #8

Either you don't know what research is Alpeduez21 Jan 2022 #9

Yep Richard58 Jan 2022 #20

I want to ask these "researchers"... 3catwoman3 Jan 2022 #10

Librarians and media coordinator spend hours a week Thtwudbeme Jan 2022 #11

Credible source story: cbabe Jan 2022 #28

Awww ...i love middle schoolers Thtwudbeme Jan 2022 #30

Yes. And easy to excite about education. 'Let's get ready for high school!' cbabe Jan 2022 #32

I'm in the workforce development system, and businesses tell us all the time PatrickforB Jan 2022 #44

+1 nt spooky3 Jan 2022 #60

Bernie has been hammering those questions for years. LuckyLib Jan 2022 #86

Indeed. And now he has been joined by the Squad, Senator Warren, and Katie Porter, PatrickforB Jan 2022 #95

Having Worked RobinA Jan 2022 #114

There's an element fear denial with these folks nuxvomica Jan 2022 #12

It's super easy now to get the best information. BradBo Jan 2022 #13

It is deeper than that... Sometimes even with good facts they can jump to invalid conclusions. Josiesdad Jan 2022 #14

Gravity is often taught in schools as a fact, when in fact it is not even a good theory kiri Jan 2022 #42

Exactly why bible thumpers should stay out of education - especially science YP_Yooper Jan 2022 #45

Do some more research and conclude that hospitals are useless. Girard442 Jan 2022 #15

+100 CaptainTruth Jan 2022 #34

Conclusions about hospitals. keithbvadu2 Jan 2022 #59

Yes.Research is not finding an opinion you agree with and falsely identifying that opinion as fact. ShazamIam Jan 2022 #16

Well, now it's just as easy to get incorrect information as correct. MineralMan Jan 2022 #17

They don't call it social media for nothing. patphil Jan 2022 #18

This is not new to the pandemic Orrex Jan 2022 #21

A while ago I had a neighbor and friend who was right wing. milestogo Jan 2022 #23

I sympathize, believe me! Orrex Jan 2022 #69

Contradicting RobinA Jan 2022 #115

oh I remember those fucking idiots Skittles Jan 2022 #99

It was a rare week that I wasn't called a "Big Pharma shill" Orrex Jan 2022 #109

That should be on some people's tombstones. n/t thesquanderer Jan 2022 #22

I think you summarized it yourself: bible believers and anti-vaxxers overlap almost 100% cadoman Jan 2022 #25

Five eyes... never heard of that. Always something new to learn. keithbvadu2 Jan 2022 #62

Opinions Are Like Assholes... GB_RN Jan 2022 #26

And some anecdotes, like the one about bloated testicles from the vaccine milestogo Jan 2022 #27

Could not agree more. Jon King Jan 2022 #29

There's always been a sense that people as individuals can be their own "experts" milestogo Jan 2022 #37

And they are so selective as to when they are medical experts!! Jon King Jan 2022 #43

Quote of the week: 'If science can't be questioned, it's not science' milestogo Jan 2022 #48

Aaron Rogers sounds so utterly stupid with that quote. Jon King Jan 2022 #65

As A Former Social Worker RobinA Jan 2022 #116

that's my favorite ! monkeyman1 Jan 2022 #100

Hey! If anyone gets more that five likes, it must be true. 40RatRod Jan 2022 #31

Overheard one on radio saying she was doing a research on Covid malaise Jan 2022 #33

Especially for a layman Sgent Jan 2022 #35

Our education system needs to teach critical thing skills. CaptainTruth Jan 2022 #36

Yep. Conservatives aren't about to teach kids how NOT to be fooled. TeamProg Jan 2022 #52

Logic and Debate should be required classes in public schools. LudwigPastorius Jan 2022 #39

... Nevilledog Jan 2022 #41

Yes. Snackshack Jan 2022 #47

"In this age, (IGNORANT) people consider all sources of information to be equal." TeamProg Jan 2022 #49

Now, then, and always: You Can't Fix Stupid. (nt) Paladin Jan 2022 #51

people consider all sources of information to be equal. They are not. YP_Yooper Jan 2022 #55

In other words BumRushDaShow Jan 2022 #67

+1000 YP_Yooper Jan 2022 #68

Those kind of disagreements take place at a much higher level of discussion milestogo Jan 2022 #85

Hence, The Point RobinA Jan 2022 #117

If someone said to me they did their own research on vaccinations Hieronymus Phact Jan 2022 #56

Well, and that makes another point. milestogo Jan 2022 #70

Or ask them to research Edward Jenner and smallpox vaccine. Aussie105 Jan 2022 #80

Hehehe I_UndergroundPanther Jan 2022 #97

Yes, you can do your own research, double blind studies, etc. Jon King Jan 2022 #63

And Candace Owens is not a doctor or a public health expert. Initech Jan 2022 #64

Research pays off keithbvadu2 Jan 2022 #66

"Liberal Media" memes gave us Both Sides overcorrection Ruby the Liberal Jan 2022 #72

These people do not understand what research really means elias7 Jan 2022 #73

Problems MFM008 Jan 2022 #75

I'm sorry that happened. milestogo Jan 2022 #78

These same people will not hesitate to go to a hospital if there is an emergency JI7 Jan 2022 #76

I'm surprised these medical Einsteins don't march into the hospital and overthrow the doctors! bucolic_frolic Jan 2022 #77

Research not needed, surely? Aussie105 Jan 2022 #79

these morons confuse research and education Skittles Jan 2022 #81

Confirmation bias happens to everyone Kaleva Jan 2022 #82

A cartoon showed an anti-vaxxer asked by his employer what religion he belong to, Liberty Belle Jan 2022 #84

My answer if someone tells me to do my own research SCantiGOP Jan 2022 #87

Reminds me of a friend at work when we had a covid argument bhikkhu Jan 2022 #89

Vaccine is proven to work to keep you out of the grave. Smackdown2019 Jan 2022 #90

I like the ones who lie about being vaccinated IronLionZion Jan 2022 #92

You can fool some of the people some of the time but you can't fool the virus. milestogo Jan 2022 #94

I taught how to do research in high school...Getting the true facts with documentation is not ..EASY Stuart G Jan 2022 #96

You should respond "I've done my own research and I wish you good luck." Renew Deal Jan 2022 #98

I did not grow up in that age True Blue American Jan 2022 #101

These are twelve word that sear my heart anamnua Jan 2022 #102

I fear the Scientific Method and rational debate are endangered species. KY_EnviroGuy Jan 2022 #103

A wide streak of anti-intellectualism defines this country EYESORE 9001 Jan 2022 #105