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WhiskeyGrinder

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Wed Jan 5, 2022, 01:21 PM
Jan 2022
Should others who have paid attention to the science now be behind you in the line of those to be treated?
"Paying attention to science" is such a weird barrier thought. People can "pay attention to science" without acting on it. People can take action without "paying attention to science." People can take action without having it keep them out of the hospital.

Where do we draw the line?
As I say, I don't know. I do know that drawing a line invariably means that at some point, someone you were trying to include at the expense of someone else will still get excluded. No matter the line -- whether it's based on someone's attitude or the simple numbers of available capacity -- the decision will perpetuate trauma on patients, families and healthcare providers alike.

But creating that line around someone's attitude toward a specific mitigation of a specific disease is especially reprehensible, because when it doesn't work -- when hospitals are still burning out, even when we put the unvaccinated at the end of the line -- we start looking for other people to put at the end of the line. Those who didn't listen to the "science" around controlling their diabetes better, for example, or those who took a risk when they *knew* they were immunocompromised. It's bullshit and plays into people's weird desire for determining who "deserves" things or services and who doesn't.

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So why are we bothering to treat people like PoindexterOglethorpe Jan 2022 #1
Because he's a human being who needs medical care. WhiskeyGrinder Jan 2022 #7
He's also a human being who deliberately ignored PoindexterOglethorpe Jan 2022 #8
. WhiskeyGrinder Jan 2022 #9
So given that health care resources are limited, PoindexterOglethorpe Jan 2022 #10
No idea! I do know that "ignoring science" is a shitty barrier to raise, though. WhiskeyGrinder Jan 2022 #11
I personally don't think that ignoring science is a shitty barrier. PoindexterOglethorpe Jan 2022 #14
. WhiskeyGrinder Jan 2022 #18
When willfully unvaccinated people take up hospital beds so that PoindexterOglethorpe Jan 2022 #19
Well said PatSeg Jan 2022 #17
When say "universal health care" we actually meant it fescuerescue Jan 2022 #12
:) I did, I did!! Lots of us did and do. Hortensis Jan 2022 #15
There is no employer who could make me rake care of an unvaccinated malaise Jan 2022 #2
Wow. I pity people who have to work with these sorts captain queeg Jan 2022 #3
My nieces husband is a respiratory therapist that has been on the front line. CentralMass Jan 2022 #4
Damn. This was BRUTAL. LowerManhattanite Jan 2022 #5
A must read dalton99a Jan 2022 #6
Yes. nt crickets Jan 2022 #13
Worth reading just to understand what happens when things go wrong. Renew Deal Jan 2022 #16
Late to this thread, but... hippywife Feb 2022 #20
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