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walkingman
(8,643 posts)14. My two cents...
"1968: anti-war activists decide there’s no difference between Democrats and Republicans. Result: Richard Nixon."
The way I remember it was after the '68 Democratic Convention there were a lot of young people that refused to support Humphrey. Add to that the entire Deep South (Democratic at the time) went for the racist George Wallace.
"2000: environmental activists decide there’s no difference between Democrats and Republicans. Result: George W Bush."
Ralph Nader was the spoiler in 2000 and Gore's VP pick Lieberman (POS) didn't help things. Gore won..SCOTUS should have stayed out of it.
"2016: Democratic Socialist activists decide there’s no difference between Democrats and Republicans. Result: Donald Trump."
Bernie was the spoiler in 2016 and I think Hillary should have picked him for VP - a clear win. But hindsight is 20/20 and the result proved to be maybe the worst outcome ever experienced in American History - the Kraken was released, SCOTUS was changed for at least a generation, and the toilet is swirling even today as we speak.
My take on the entire Democratic debale in '68, '00, and 2016 is that elections have consequences...real consequences and in America voting is a binary choice - VOTE DEMOCRATIC or RISK YOUR ENTIRE WORLDVIEW BEING DESTROYED.
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I suppose some believe that beatings will raise morale. I do not. What fairy dust will
Demsrule86
May 2022
#90
The other difference was both tRump and Hillary had historically low favorability ratings in 2016.
CentralMass
May 2022
#11
Please stop defending what happened in 16. I can't continue. As is stands women will die
Demsrule86
May 2022
#79
I think there is plenty of blame. I do not find your analysis convincing. Had those who
Demsrule86
May 2022
#91
I am a progressive and I vote in every election. I love Obama but he had one issue that I didn't
Demsrule86
May 2022
#56
It has nothing to do with that. It is called party loyalty...they vote Republicans whether they
Demsrule86
May 2022
#26
Progressives and anyone else should always vote the Democratic candidate. And the fact that some
Demsrule86
May 2022
#39
I don't believe if these voters are not motivated to vote after what has and is going on, we
Demsrule86
Jun 2022
#96
Really, well I disagree. There are things I too would like. But I would NEVER withhold my vote
Demsrule86
Jun 2022
#104
I agree. You won't always like every Democrat but all are better than Republicans especially
Demsrule86
May 2022
#80
No it is not. You know what Fetterman said when he was asked if he was progressive
Demsrule86
May 2022
#28
I agree. I don't really think this is about Fetterman although I have been told it was a proxy
Demsrule86
May 2022
#43
I do too...the numbers are not bad...I think we have shot. Tim Ryan is a good guy.
Demsrule86
May 2022
#92
They didn't steal it...it was an electoral college win. Hillary had been damaged very badly by
Demsrule86
May 2022
#47
Really, Obama won election and it was a very close primary so Clinton supporters voted
Demsrule86
May 2022
#75
That is absolute crap...The attacks continued in the General and you know it.
Demsrule86
May 2022
#77
It is not my fault but it is the fault of those who don't vote for the Democratic nominee in
Demsrule86
May 2022
#74
I heard the same thing with Gore and it is just plain wrong. In a close election every vote
Demsrule86
Jun 2022
#98
Look at any time that an incumbent was primaryed and it destroyed said election is the
Demsrule86
Jun 2022
#103
Hillary was damage goods after the primary...going into the General and the negativity did not
Demsrule86
Jun 2022
#108
I know...every Justice who overturned Roe came from an election that a Democrat was fucked
Demsrule86
Jul 2022
#118
I was a Clinton delegate to the 2016 convention and saw how Russia pushed Sanders supports to revolt
LetMyPeopleVote
Jul 2022
#110
A lot of young people did not vote after their "man" did not win the primary. As far as
walkingman
May 2022
#69
Sanders' voters voted TFG in sufficient numbers to swing the key states
LetMyPeopleVote
Jul 2022
#112
My interpretation: Make sure Democrats differentiate themselves from Republicans and listen to
Autumn
May 2022
#15
If enough on our side (nominally) keep voting that way autumn, we will have a Trump or a
Demsrule86
May 2022
#30
Check your crystal ball and save your pious lecture. I have never missed an election
Autumn
May 2022
#36
Did I say you? I didn't you know. I merely pointed out that if folks vote as you described
Demsrule86
May 2022
#49
It's nice to feel important. What has decided elections, besides Bush, which was thrown,
58Sunliner
May 2022
#25
Right exactly, we didn't show up...sends a message doesn't. Of course I think the message is 'hey
Demsrule86
May 2022
#37
I think we need a national program, of commercials, etc., telling people the importance of voting.
58Sunliner
May 2022
#86
First of all, I know people who don't vote. When I GOTV, people tell me they don't vote and why..
Demsrule86
May 2022
#87
That is right. And the thing that drives me nuts is this...more than 20 years later with multiple
Demsrule86
May 2022
#88
Haha...OK really well since we lost I assume the low turnout was on our side I find that tragic.
Demsrule86
May 2022
#89
It the Greens and others had not attacked Gore, he would have won easily and there would
Demsrule86
May 2022
#53
Idealogical purity is just another word for too stupid to figure it out.
world wide wally
May 2022
#51
I wish people realized that voting is not an act of love or devotion...
BlueCheeseAgain
May 2022
#54