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In reply to the discussion: Ancient 'Jesus midwife' tomb to be excavated by archaeologists Associated Press [View all]Hugh_Lebowski
(33,643 posts)25. Ever read this theory before?
Last edited Fri Dec 23, 2022, 02:19 PM - Edit history (1)
https://www.irishcentral.com/news/american-scholar-claims-romans-made-up-the-character-of-jesus-227110891-237782671Atwill asserts that Christianity did not really begin as a religion, but a sophisticated government project, a kind of propaganda exercise used to pacify the subjects of the Roman Empire.
"Jewish sects in Palestine at the time, who were waiting for a prophesied warrior Messiah, were a constant source of violent insurrection during the first century," he explains.
"When the Romans had exhausted conventional means of quashing rebellion, they switched to psychological warfare. They surmised that the way to stop the spread of zealous Jewish missionary activity was to create a competing belief system. That's when the 'peaceful' Messiah story was invented. Instead of inspiring warfare, this Messiah urged turn-the-other-cheek pacifism and encouraged Jews to 'give onto Caesar' and pay their taxes to Rome."
Was Jesus based on a real person from history? "The short answer is no," Atwill insists, "in fact he may be the only fictional character in literature whose entire life story can be traced to other sources. Once those sources are all laid bare, there's simply nothing left."
"Jewish sects in Palestine at the time, who were waiting for a prophesied warrior Messiah, were a constant source of violent insurrection during the first century," he explains.
"When the Romans had exhausted conventional means of quashing rebellion, they switched to psychological warfare. They surmised that the way to stop the spread of zealous Jewish missionary activity was to create a competing belief system. That's when the 'peaceful' Messiah story was invented. Instead of inspiring warfare, this Messiah urged turn-the-other-cheek pacifism and encouraged Jews to 'give onto Caesar' and pay their taxes to Rome."
Was Jesus based on a real person from history? "The short answer is no," Atwill insists, "in fact he may be the only fictional character in literature whose entire life story can be traced to other sources. Once those sources are all laid bare, there's simply nothing left."
From http://www.covertmessiah.com/#film
In order to pacify the Jewish rebellion, they captured and burned all the Jews scriptures. It is around this time that a new literature emerged with the story of a very different Jewish Messiah one who preached give to Caesar what is Caesars, turn the other cheek, and love your enemy.
...snip...
Through his study of the ancient Greek texts and his discovery of an antiquated Hebrew literary genre, he found dozens of parallels between the Jesus story and the war history that occurred in the exact same sequence. This shows that the events of Jesus life, which supposedly took place forty years earlier, were actually all dependent on the events in the military campaign of the Roman Caesar Titus Flavius. Ancient texts were much more allegorical, multi-layered and complex than todays writing, and when you read the Gospels and the histories of Josephus side by side, a new meaning arises which reveals the authors of the Gospels to be the Roman Flavian Caesars, their co-conspirators, and their literary team.
...snip...
Through his study of the ancient Greek texts and his discovery of an antiquated Hebrew literary genre, he found dozens of parallels between the Jesus story and the war history that occurred in the exact same sequence. This shows that the events of Jesus life, which supposedly took place forty years earlier, were actually all dependent on the events in the military campaign of the Roman Caesar Titus Flavius. Ancient texts were much more allegorical, multi-layered and complex than todays writing, and when you read the Gospels and the histories of Josephus side by side, a new meaning arises which reveals the authors of the Gospels to be the Roman Flavian Caesars, their co-conspirators, and their literary team.
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Ancient 'Jesus midwife' tomb to be excavated by archaeologists Associated Press [View all]
magicarpet
Dec 2022
OP
It was a first birth, husband could have been rattled and rushed to seek help.
Irish_Dem
Dec 2022
#2
The story of a midwife is in an apocryphal gospel. And IIRC, the midwife's name isn't Salome;
WhiskeyGrinder
Dec 2022
#3
There's literally no reliable evidence that the Bible's Jesus of Nazareth was anything but
Hugh_Lebowski
Dec 2022
#4
Pretty sure that if one cannot prove there was a Jesus, it logically follows one also
Hugh_Lebowski
Dec 2022
#14
And yet, the Epistles of St Paul, the 'earliest' time he's mentioned anywhere
Hugh_Lebowski
Dec 2022
#16
A trenchant analysis, hell it even sounds like something I'd write nearly verbatim, thanks! (nt)
Hugh_Lebowski
Dec 2022
#24
The most important question when considering whether or not some man-god got sent down
Goodheart
Dec 2022
#34