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Hugh_Lebowski

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25. Ever read this theory before?
Fri Dec 23, 2022, 01:46 PM
Dec 2022

Last edited Fri Dec 23, 2022, 02:19 PM - Edit history (1)

https://www.irishcentral.com/news/american-scholar-claims-romans-made-up-the-character-of-jesus-227110891-237782671

Atwill asserts that Christianity did not really begin as a religion, but a sophisticated government project, a kind of propaganda exercise used to pacify the subjects of the Roman Empire.

"Jewish sects in Palestine at the time, who were waiting for a prophesied warrior Messiah, were a constant source of violent insurrection during the first century," he explains.

"When the Romans had exhausted conventional means of quashing rebellion, they switched to psychological warfare. They surmised that the way to stop the spread of zealous Jewish missionary activity was to create a competing belief system. That's when the 'peaceful' Messiah story was invented. Instead of inspiring warfare, this Messiah urged turn-the-other-cheek pacifism and encouraged Jews to 'give onto Caesar' and pay their taxes to Rome."

Was Jesus based on a real person from history? "The short answer is no," Atwill insists, "in fact he may be the only fictional character in literature whose entire life story can be traced to other sources. Once those sources are all laid bare, there's simply nothing left."


From http://www.covertmessiah.com/#film

In order to pacify the Jewish rebellion, they captured and burned all the Jews’ scriptures. It is around this time that a new literature emerged with the story of a very different Jewish Messiah – one who preached “give to Caesar what is Caesar’s”, “turn the other cheek”, and “love your enemy”.

...snip...

Through his study of the ancient Greek texts and his discovery of an antiquated Hebrew literary genre, he found dozens of parallels between the Jesus story and the war history that occurred in the exact same sequence. This shows that the events of Jesus’ life, which supposedly took place forty years earlier, were actually all dependent on the events in the military campaign of the Roman Caesar Titus Flavius. Ancient texts were much more allegorical, multi-layered and complex than today’s writing, and when you read the Gospels and the histories of Josephus side by side, a new meaning arises which reveals the authors of the Gospels to be the Roman Flavian Caesars, their co-conspirators, and their literary team.

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Wouldn't there be a dispute of there being a midwife? LiberalFighter Dec 2022 #1
It was a first birth, husband could have been rattled and rushed to seek help. Irish_Dem Dec 2022 #2
The story of a midwife is in an apocryphal gospel. And IIRC, the midwife's name isn't Salome; WhiskeyGrinder Dec 2022 #3
The magi must have pushed her out of the Nativity scene. milestogo Dec 2022 #8
Dicks. Iggo Dec 2022 #26
We Three Dicks milestogo Dec 2022 #28
. Iggo Dec 2022 #29
The magi showed up later. Igel Dec 2022 #31
There's literally no reliable evidence that the Bible's Jesus of Nazareth was anything but Hugh_Lebowski Dec 2022 #4
I don't believe what you're saying is historically accurate. Renew Deal Dec 2022 #5
Wikipedia is wrong. Goodheart Dec 2022 #32
KnR SammyWinstonJack Dec 2022 #6
There is a lot about his brother, James the Just, the head leftyladyfrommo Dec 2022 #7
Pretty sure that if one cannot prove there was a Jesus, it logically follows one also Hugh_Lebowski Dec 2022 #14
There's a ton of information about those people. leftyladyfrommo Dec 2022 #17
"There's a ton of information about those people." Hugh_Lebowski Dec 2022 #30
That book on James is incredibly detailed and he leftyladyfrommo Jan 2023 #41
Everybody knows that Jesus required NDAs of all the people he saved... Wounded Bear Dec 2022 #10
It is accepted by historians that Jesus existed Sympthsical Dec 2022 #11
And yet, the Epistles of St Paul, the 'earliest' time he's mentioned anywhere Hugh_Lebowski Dec 2022 #16
I'm super not interested in this debate. Sympthsical Dec 2022 #18
No problem Hugh_Lebowski Dec 2022 #21
Most historians? Yes. The historians who have studied the most? Nope. Goodheart Dec 2022 #33
I sometimes lean in this direction myself. triron Dec 2022 #15
I think the answer to your question splits in three parts. Renew Deal Dec 2022 #20
Perhaps it would be interesting to look into the persistence triron Dec 2022 #27
It doesn't really matter if Jesus existed Buckeyeblue Dec 2022 #22
A trenchant analysis, hell it even sounds like something I'd write nearly verbatim, thanks! (nt) Hugh_Lebowski Dec 2022 #24
Ever read this theory before? Hugh_Lebowski Dec 2022 #25
This message was self-deleted by its author Wounded Bear Dec 2022 #9
I believe there was a historical Jesus PlanetBev Dec 2022 #12
Calling Geraldo! NewHendoLib Dec 2022 #13
I've learned so much from this thread. Jesus had a midwife Croney Dec 2022 #19
Actually, it's his father's brother's cousin's former roommate. Iggo Dec 2022 #23
The most important question when considering whether or not some man-god got sent down Goodheart Dec 2022 #34
There isn't any proof that Jesus or God is real or not real. Dysfunctional Dec 2022 #35
Agreed. triron Dec 2022 #36
Salome?? Wasn't she Herod's daughter?? LeftInTX Dec 2022 #37
One of Jesus's sisters was named Salome. leftyladyfrommo Jan 2023 #40
Mel Brooks' 2,000-Year-Old Man was asked, kskiska Dec 2022 #38
It's becoming laughable edhopper Dec 2022 #39
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