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MissMillie

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80. I'm struggling with my words here...

Reply to Laura PourMeADrink (Original post)

Mon Jan 9, 2023, 07:57 AM

Jan 2023

So, if I fumble this, I apologize.

I think that a lot of the time when a sentence of execution of levied, death is too kind of a sentence. It's a heavier sentence to lock someone up FOREVER with NO CHANCE of EVER getting out.

Let's also not forget that the sentence of "execution" is not handed out evenly/fairly.

And the standard of conviction in this country is "beyond a reasonable doubt." Juries, very often, do not consist of reasonable people. Our justice system is probably the best in the world, but that doesn't make it perfect. The finality of execution should demand perfection... which of course is not possible.

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Are you in favor of the death penalty? [View all] Laura PourMeADrink Jan 2023 OP

I consider it state murder. My husband and I told our kids should we be murdered we do not want Demsrule86 Jan 2023 #1

I agree it is a cold-blooded killing. It's being done in the name of the people. Walleye Jan 2023 #4

That is how I feel and considering the injustices in our judicial system...it is just barbaric. Demsrule86 Jan 2023 #27

Exactly! Laura PourMeADrink Jan 2023 #44

No. But above all because we can't reverse it and we make mistakes Hortensis Jan 2023 #134

I remember writing an essay in junior high,my first firm political position, anti-death penalty Walleye Jan 2023 #2

+1. I haven't looked it up but there was a period when it was illegal. Laura PourMeADrink Jan 2023 #7

I sure am NOT. CaliforniaPeggy Jan 2023 #3

+1 Laura PourMeADrink Jan 2023 #8

Exactly! WVGal1963 Jan 2023 #25

Putting an irrevocable result in the hands of the AleksS Jan 2023 #5

Having done a capital appeal qazplm135 Jan 2023 #26

Some very heinous acts rock my beliefs regarding this issue but I am against it Deuxcents Jan 2023 #6

I hear you. Laura PourMeADrink Jan 2023 #10

I'm 99% against, but there are a few so heinous that I don't object AZSkiffyGeek Jan 2023 #15

I'm against it because it doesn't 'deter' anything... rubbersole Jan 2023 #68

I feel the same. OnionPatch Jan 2023 #100

I would like to see it HIGHLY restricted as well. roamer65 Jan 2023 #20

Ditto. BTK needs to be in the ground Blue_playwright Jan 2023 #38

I think about how many times Ted Bundy escaped from jail... Laffy Kat Jan 2023 #43

I don't pay much attention to serial killers bc too scary, so I had No Idea he'd Escaped! Woah! electric_blue68 Jan 2023 #54

Yep, both times from Colorado jails. Laffy Kat Jan 2023 #64

Gah! electric_blue68 Jan 2023 #118

Sends wrong message: poli-junkie Jan 2023 #9

State sanctioned murder PoindexterOglethorpe Jan 2023 #11

+1 Laura PourMeADrink Jan 2023 #12

No Bleacher Creature Jan 2023 #13

So you kill someone for killing someone? spanone Jan 2023 #14

So you hold someone against their will for holding someone against their will? TheProle Jan 2023 #113

These results don't fit with articles I've posted about prisoners executed iemanja Jan 2023 #16

That's interesting!!! Laura PourMeADrink Jan 2023 #33

The 484th person Texas executed had an IQ of 61. Laffy Kat Jan 2023 #46

Really? Wow. Laura PourMeADrink Jan 2023 #56

I would say that people are not Disaffected Jan 2023 #66

I disagree with that GenThePerservering Jan 2023 #110

I agree obamanut2012 Jan 2023 #86

Or a straight question about it attracts more responses (just votes) than comments muriel_volestrangler Jan 2023 #111

In theory yes, not in practice. SYFROYH Jan 2023 #17

+1 progressoid Jan 2023 #29

+2 Blue_playwright Jan 2023 #40

+3 Shrek Jan 2023 #78

So you are pro DP obamanut2012 Jan 2023 #87

The problem is that they can't tighten it enough to eliminate error. I'm convinced of that. SYFROYH Jan 2023 #97

That's why I hit "other" Dorian Gray Jan 2023 #108

I don't like the mistakes, that's for sure. dchill Jan 2023 #18

That's My Issue ProfessorGAC Jan 2023 #112

Generally, NO FoxNewsSucks Jan 2023 #19

So you are pro DP obamanut2012 Jan 2023 #89

Lol, so you are not against the death penalty! USALiberal Jan 2023 #121

Only in certain cases is it a good thing jmowreader Jan 2023 #21

So you are pro DP, and think murder is "a good thing" obamanut2012 Jan 2023 #90

Why do you want that to happen it's not a deterrent at all USALiberal Jan 2023 #122

Definite 'no' for the death penalty. Talitha Jan 2023 #22

Don't like it, Igel Jan 2023 #23

That's an interesting thought. Life in prison without Laura PourMeADrink Jan 2023 #34

When answering the question remember that SCOTUS justices say you don't have a right RockRaven Jan 2023 #24

I am absolutely opposed. It's barbaric. Ocelot II Jan 2023 #28

Nope. Solly Mack Jan 2023 #30

No edhopper Jan 2023 #31

+1 Laura PourMeADrink Jan 2023 #36

No. n/t GP6971 Jan 2023 #32

No. But there are exceptions to every rule. LakeArenal Jan 2023 #35

With nitrogen gas and fentanyl, it can make a very humane comeback. Frasier Balzov Jan 2023 #37

Nope....not under any circumstances....n/t Upthevibe Jan 2023 #39

+1 Laura PourMeADrink Jan 2023 #42

In some cases nt doc03 Jan 2023 #41

No. brer cat Jan 2023 #45

No, under no circumstances, not for any reason. Stinky The Clown Jan 2023 #47

Some criminals want the death penalty for themselves. Timothy McVeigh, Oklahoma bomber wanted to b keithbvadu2 Jan 2023 #48

Many more no's sarisataka Jan 2023 #49

Philosophical here, without the specific monstrosities of a crime JT45242 Jan 2023 #57

it is barbaric Skittles Jan 2023 #50

In certain cases and only with iron clad proof of guilt. TigressDem Jan 2023 #51

No. And there are some henious crimes that try my patience. electric_blue68 Jan 2023 #52

Yes, but only if the criminal wants to live, BigmanPigman Jan 2023 #53

El Chapo won't get it, but I feel he is one of the rare ones who deserves it. LeftInTX Jan 2023 #107

I am not proud of my answer but, yes, there are those who deserve to have the state end their lives bottomofthehill Jan 2023 #55

You are a very kind person and you make an extraodinarily Laura PourMeADrink Jan 2023 #58

Maybe it was just too close to home, maybe because of the random nature of those who died bottomofthehill Jan 2023 #59

Understandable response grantcart Jan 2023 #60

Never. Even when they deserve it. Just not a power the state should hold. Maru Kitteh Jan 2023 #61

no... myohmy2 Jan 2023 #62

After serving on a couple of juries, The system is not absolute enough for an absolute end. mackdaddy Jan 2023 #63

There are people who should be or should have been executed.... Kissinger, Rice, asshole in Idaho 3Hotdogs Jan 2023 #65

It's claudette Jan 2023 #67

No. Not in favor of revenge (that's what it is) flvegan Jan 2023 #69

I am 100% opposed to the death penalty. ShazzieB Jan 2023 #70

I am still waiting to hear an argument that would sway nevergiveup Jan 2023 #71

No. When I hear the term "pro-life," that's what it means to me. Rhiannon12866 Jan 2023 #72

Not at 16 when a family member was murdered Warpy Jan 2023 #73

No. It is state ritual murder, and without guarantee that no innocent will be executed DFW Jan 2023 #74

I'm basically against it, due in large part to my feeling that Abolishinist Jan 2023 #75

I'm against Capital Punishment, but that' not the banner I want to march behind. philly_bob Jan 2023 #76

Great post, exactly what I believe. n/t MicaelS Jan 2023 #99

Common misconception inthewind21 Jan 2023 #101

Only in the rarest of cases DenaliDemocrat Jan 2023 #77

What prompted you to do this poll? akbacchus_BC Jan 2023 #79

I'm struggling with my words here... MissMillie Jan 2023 #80

Many have given the most significant reasons to oppose it above. But there is an Scrivener7 Jan 2023 #81

No but I don't care about those who commit heinous crimes. Kaleva Jan 2023 #82

For all those who are against the death penalty... The Grand Illuminist Jan 2023 #83

Could you give an example? How is that status determined? WhiskeyGrinder Jan 2023 #88

That is what prison is for, Sport obamanut2012 Jan 2023 #91

I cannot think of anyone sarisataka Jan 2023 #93

Nobody's too dangerous to be kept alive. Everyone is mere flesh and blood and can Wingus Dingus Jan 2023 #98

Terrorists who operate out of prison LeftInTX Jan 2023 #106

They'd be in the Supermax. Wingus Dingus Jan 2023 #109

That won't stop written communications. The Grand Illuminist Jan 2023 #119

For those inthewind21 Jan 2023 #102

Besides a Sith Lord, who else fits that description? Polybius Jan 2023 #103

Too dangerous to be kept alive??? What the hell does that mean. USALiberal Jan 2023 #123

How would you personally The Grand Illuminist Jan 2023 #126

For those whom are for the DP - when has it ever deterred future heinous crimes? tenderfoot Jan 2023 #139

Nor has prison and jail. The Grand Illuminist Jan 2023 #140

So EVERYONE in prison is going to commit more crimes once released tenderfoot Jan 2023 #141

Never said everyone. The Grand Illuminist Jan 2023 #142

I have been opposed to the death penalty all my life, Doc_Technical Jan 2023 #84

Murder by the State is still murder obamanut2012 Jan 2023 #85

I have no moral compunction against it, but it must NEVER be in error and justice is not perfect. sir pball Jan 2023 #92

No.... but..... Happy Hoosier Jan 2023 #94

Not in favor of it. Our tax dollars should not be used to kill people. ecstatic Jan 2023 #95

I try and let my better angels rule Elessar Zappa Jan 2023 #96

Not really. Torchlight Jan 2023 #104

No mvd Jan 2023 #105

For me, only under very narrow and extreme circumstances Mr.Bill Jan 2023 #114

Example??? USALiberal Jan 2023 #124

Seial Killers, child murder, solid witnesses and other proof, such as DNA, Mr.Bill Jan 2023 #131

In the case of child murderers and serial killers, yes PlanetBev Jan 2023 #115

Absolutely not. Xolodno Jan 2023 #116

Not in this justice system that railroads innocent defendants. GoodRaisin Jan 2023 #117

Not any more. I favor a lifetime of solitary confinement tritsofme Jan 2023 #120

I like how Washington handled it with Gary Ridgeway Kennah Jan 2023 #125

When they're proud of it MurrayDelph Jan 2023 #127

I used to be very much in favor of it... SKKY Jan 2023 #128

Yes Lurker Deluxe Jan 2023 #129

In Very Extreme Circumstances, Yes Deep State Witch Jan 2023 #130

I'm opposed to the death penalty, primarily because it is ... Whiskeytide Jan 2023 #132

I went with "Yes" though my answer is a little more nuanced than that. Jedi Guy Jan 2023 #133

No. Caliman73 Jan 2023 #135

You got the only death penalty clearly stated in the constitution. The Grand Illuminist Jan 2023 #136

I am not EnergizedLib Jan 2023 #137

I am against the death penalty. Silver Swan Jan 2023 #138