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planetc

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Wed Sep 6, 2023, 03:28 PM Sep 2023

Civil War? Or not. [View all]

All right. Last night on NPR I heard a guy saying we could not disqualify TFG on the 14th Amendment because this could lead to bloody battles when his followers will revolt and shoot a bunch of people. There are several reasons why I don’t think civil war is imminent. First, the extreme polarization which the press constantly refers to may be a figment of the media’s imagination. There may be one party of armed maniacs and a bunch of people who are not prepared to shoot anybody because of their red hats. Second, even if enough red hat people got together and decided to attack something, it is extremely difficult to decide what they could attack that would get them anywhere. Third, we have seen the strategic acumen of the red hat people on 1/6/21, and all their geniuses were AWOL. Even if they wanted to strike hard, they have no discipline, since their prowess is mainly in their imaginations. They think owning a gun or seven makes you a soldier.

Are we as polarized as the media think we are? There are certainly a lot of hot heads on the red hat side, people who want to use their guns to defend their country, but they, like all of us, are a little fuzzy on exactly who to shoot. But what about the blue hat side? I don’t see a whole lot of blue hats calling for the arrest of people who wear red hats. We are perfectly happy to wait for one of them to break the law, and then arrest them. We’re law and order types. So why do the media keep going on about it? Because it’s essential to their narrative structure that there be two sides in American politics: The liberal and conservative, the fiscally responsible and the spendthrifts, the red and the blue. It’s essential that these sides be evenly balanced, because if they were not, that would be a whole different story, one the media are not prepared to tell. In short, they’re not in the business of reporting news, but of entertaining us with an endless horse race, pumped full of as much emotion as they can imagine. I only discern one army, when you really need two for a war.

Next, should the red hats decide on revolt, what will their target or targets be? All the blue state houses? I don’t know about your governor, but I don’t see Gov. Hochul standing still for this. There may be an exchange of fire, but governors have the National Guard, police forces, and the law on their side. A blue state strategy would call for a larger army than the red hats could field, imho. What if Gov. DeSantis just surrenders his state house to the red hats? Well, that will be a problem for Floridians, but it will galvanize the rest of the country, who may develop a powerful desire to shut the red hats down. Oh, of course, why don’t they attack the U.S. Capitol building when congress is in session? Even with a traitorous President pulling strings, this didn’t work. TFG wasn’t serious, and some of his followers still haven’t got the memo, even as the 1/6 insurrectionists are escorted off to jail.

And lastly, we have seen no evidence that the red hat mob has any idea what a strategy is, much less any strategists. I have a feeling that any sergeant in the U.S. Army could do a better job of attacking a building than the entire red hat army. The Red Hats are deeply into shouting, roaring, clubbing, and decorating themselves with horned fur hats. I really don’t see that they have an officer class to lead them. I thing Red Hats may be an army of self-anointed leaders, with no followers.

It would be so nice if we had the media on our side, led by a few stalwart journalists who would just explain to the country that a 2024 TFG campaign for the presidency just will not work. They would have to drop their rigid “both sides are equal” theme, and sail out into the uncharted seas of reality, but I bet they would find the trip invigorating.


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Civil War? Or not. [View all] planetc Sep 2023 OP
People are already shooting other people. dchill Sep 2023 #1
Well, I don't know about half, but far too large a percentage. planetc Sep 2023 #5
I guess I'm thinking about the large percentage of... dchill Sep 2023 #9
They would attack power stations. usedtobedemgurl Sep 2023 #2
Power stations are also widely distributed in the country. planetc Sep 2023 #8
I think anything is possible to galvanize, usedtobedemgurl Sep 2023 #11
So if one side is destroying infrastructure wnylib Sep 2023 #19
Nah relayerbob Sep 2023 #3
My version of the civil war Tickle Sep 2023 #4
so in another 50 years or more Recycle_Guru Sep 2023 #10
Well... FalloutShelter Sep 2023 #6
You are thinking in terms of conventional war. wnylib Sep 2023 #21
We're already getting cyber attacks and hacking, from small bands of capitalists here and elsewhere. planetc Sep 2023 #26
Yes, you are right that they want an earthly paradise for White people. wnylib Sep 2023 #28
I could see them ramping up terrorism against anything Jerry2144 Sep 2023 #7
It'll all begin to look different, if magats start flying drones Model35mech Sep 2023 #12
We've got drones too, don't we? planetc Sep 2023 #16
Yep, and some people would likely feel forced to respond in kind Model35mech Sep 2023 #20
How do you know who to retaliate againstt with our drones? wnylib Sep 2023 #22
Well, they're idiots so there is that. AltairIV Sep 2023 #13
A few have started to wear body armor, but ... planetc Sep 2023 #17
"attack that would get them anywhere" bucolic_frolic Sep 2023 #14
Would Erik Prince get involved? wnylib Sep 2023 #24
Based on the measly showing at indictment courthouse protests with more media than magats, MLAA Sep 2023 #15
a "figment of the media's imagination?" or a "self fulfilling prophecy,." rampartc Sep 2023 #18
Anybody who argues that Trump should not be prosecuted or disqualified because his followers might Martin68 Sep 2023 #23
It's all hot air. The minute the guy next to them Emile Sep 2023 #25
No one is above the law. Period. Lady Freedom Returns Sep 2023 #27
Imo, no, given that the country was extremely different then. Oneironaut Sep 2023 #29
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