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yardwork

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98. The post above yours provides a good rebuttal, but I'll weigh in as well.

Mon Oct 30, 2023, 08:10 AM

Oct 2023

Iraq never attacked the United States. Full stop.

Afghanistan never attacked the United States. However, most Americans - including here - were fine with the U.S. retaliating against Afghanistan because they kinda sorta hosted Osama bin Laden before he engineered 9/11.

The attacks on 9/11 killed thousands of Americans, and people from other parts of the world. The world was horrified. A large group of allies came together to retaliate and the vast proportion of Americans cheered them on. The attacks by Hamas on 10/7 killed thousands of Israelis, and people from other parts of the world. Hamas has Israeli hostages - babies, children, old people - who have still not been released.

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Poll: Do you believe Israel is committing genocide against the population of Gaza? [View all] Takket Oct 2023 OP

The word genocide is use liberally around here by some that have no idea what MarineCombatEngineer Oct 2023 #1

Same with "carpet bombing" DetroitLegalBeagle Oct 2023 #4

Putin has continued to bomb Ukrainian apartment buildings. brush Oct 2023 #44

Zero cimparison. Putin is intentionally targeting wnylib Oct 2023 #49

You see a difference in targeting civilian buildings in Gaza than what... brush Oct 2023 #56

You may not care, but there is a reason the laws of war DO care. Happy Hoosier Oct 2023 #99

We shall see after this is over if it's a war crime. Meanwhile, the desth toll keeps rising. brush Oct 2023 #111

MNore than 600, 000 German civilians died in WWII. Happy Hoosier Oct 2023 #112

I agree on the rising anti-semitism worldwide. I don't like it... brush Oct 2023 #115

Well, there were new articles to the Geneva Convention passed after WW2 to deal with the targeting of civilians.... TheRealNorth Oct 2023 #124

True SickOfTheOnePct Oct 2023 #127

We shall see. IMO there have been war crimes commited by both sides. brush Nov 2023 #156

brush SYGDeb Nov 2023 #155

Stop gaslighting, Israel admitted (on CNN) they are targeting civilians krawhitham Oct 2023 #146

That is not what targeting civilians looks like Zeitghost Nov 2023 #148

Uh no SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2023 #150

Bush, Cheney enid602 Oct 2023 #65

Except there is no International warrant issued for them for war crimes EX500rider Oct 2023 #80

For reference... Think. Again. Oct 2023 #32

To be clear... AZSkiffyGeek Oct 2023 #58

All true SickOfTheOnePct Oct 2023 #62

To be very VERY clear... Think. Again. Oct 2023 #92

They have no such responsiblility Zeitghost Oct 2023 #134

Not according to the United Nations... Think. Again. Oct 2023 #142

Reminder, it's not too late to cast your vote in the poll! Abolishinist Oct 2023 #84

I wonder... FirefighterJo Oct 2023 #102

If has a definition, and Israel is clearly committing it krawhitham Oct 2023 #145

It's antisemitic rhetoric Sympthsical Oct 2023 #2

Yes. It's similar to accusing Israelis of being Nazis. yardwork Oct 2023 #16

That was my sense but I hadn't seen it explained like this before LymphocyteLover Oct 2023 #72

Sympthdical SYGDeb Nov 2023 #154

Is the question about effectiveness/competence? Because Bibi's speech yesterday RockRaven Oct 2023 #3

There will be plenty of protest and condemnation from Israelis Mossfern Oct 2023 #5

But but but SickOfTheOnePct Oct 2023 #6

Yeah, I know... Mossfern Oct 2023 #7

They've also said that waving swastikas isn't antisemitism either AZSkiffyGeek Oct 2023 #9

Really? It is common for people on the left to wave swastikas? Redleg Oct 2023 #43

I didn't say it was common AZSkiffyGeek Oct 2023 #45

You said "Apparently it's quite common for people on the left to wave swastikas." Redleg Oct 2023 #47

Oh, bad phrasing on my part AZSkiffyGeek Oct 2023 #51

I agree with getting the nutters out of the party Redleg Oct 2023 #54

What does all that have to do with whether bombing civilian occupied... brush Oct 2023 #48

Ukrainian military wasn't hiding SickOfTheOnePct Oct 2023 #50

"That's the difference." Jedi Guy Oct 2023 #70

Yep SickOfTheOnePct Oct 2023 #71

+1000 nt NutmegYankee Oct 2023 #94

Oh, and IDF knows exactly which buildings they destroy is sheltering Hamas? brush Oct 2023 #91

Not always SickOfTheOnePct Oct 2023 #93

How long will Netanyahu remain in power? AntiFascist Oct 2023 #12

No I don't... brooklynite Oct 2023 #37

What post are you responding to? brush Oct 2023 #40

Wow, that's a hideous statement from Netanyahu! At the same time what Hamas did is hienious..... electric_blue68 Oct 2023 #114

That was a declaration of war, and it was wrongheaded and stupid. yardwork Oct 2023 #19

Putin has to be careful to what countries he travels to because... brush Oct 2023 #42

Apples and oranges. wnylib Oct 2023 #55

Not just apples and oranges. yardwork Oct 2023 #60

They're like Hamas shelling into Israel as well as Israel bombing... brush Oct 2023 #64

Apples and oranges, huh? Apartment buildings being bombed and shelled... brush Oct 2023 #63

When did Ukraine launch a terrorist attack on Russian people? yardwork Oct 2023 #57

Bibi is fucking awful. Happy Hoosier Oct 2023 #100

Genocide is more of a long-term, sustained annilation over years.... brush Oct 2023 #8

What is the war crime? N/t SickOfTheOnePct Oct 2023 #13

Killing of 8000 civilians. What hamas did I would also consider it a war crime... brush Oct 2023 #15

There's a fine line between war and war crimes, but I'm not going to argue. yardwork Oct 2023 #20

Killing civilians is not a war crime SickOfTheOnePct Oct 2023 #21

OK, your wording is different. How about obliterating whole swathes of... brush Oct 2023 #23

If Hamas is hiding there SickOfTheOnePct Oct 2023 #24

You have to know better than that. Another way has to be found. brush Oct 2023 #28

I'm not going to change my mind SickOfTheOnePct Oct 2023 #36

Tell it to Hamas. They are the ones hiding behind Gaza civilians wnylib Oct 2023 #59

That's a matter of opinion. Targetilng whole swathes of civilian housiing... brush Oct 2023 #27

You do realize that it is Hamas supplying the death figures right? GuppyGal Oct 2023 #29

Ok, but do you doubt that hundreds of civilians are killed... brush Oct 2023 #31

Apparently not Redleg Oct 2023 #39

So you believe that Hamas is entitled to a wnylib Oct 2023 #73

You should know that both sides are responsible to avoid the killings innocents. brush Oct 2023 #86

"Warring parties are both responsible for taking all precautions to avoid innocent civilian deaths." Jedi Guy Oct 2023 #74

Oh, please. Chk my posts on this thread. I've said several times that Hamas shelling into Israel is subject... brush Oct 2023 #85

That's not what I asked you to condemn, though, is it? Jedi Guy Oct 2023 #119

Consider it done. Now let me ask you something... brush Oct 2023 #120

Despite being blindsided by 10/7, Israel has extremely competent security services. Jedi Guy Oct 2023 #121

Let's hope for a ceasefire as it's a complex and extremely vexing situation. brush Oct 2023 #122

I suspect a ceasefire is not in the cards unless something drastically changes. Jedi Guy Oct 2023 #123

I think you would need a good lawyer Redleg Oct 2023 #38

"You are generally required to find another means to get the bad guys." Jedi Guy Oct 2023 #76

I am not saying that it's not a legitimate target Redleg Oct 2023 #97

It's very much a strained analogy. Comparing war to law enforcement really isn't apples to apples. Jedi Guy Oct 2023 #118

The military has more choices in dealing with this Redleg Oct 2023 #132

Special forces really isn't a viable option here, as I pointed out. Jedi Guy Oct 2023 #133

special operations missions are often supported by infantry Redleg Oct 2023 #135

A ground incursion into Gaza by the IDF, with infantry support and Mossad teams, is still a bloody proposition. Jedi Guy Oct 2023 #136

I understand the calculus and the concept of warfare Redleg Oct 2023 #137

I don't think any reasonable person wants to see the destruction of Gaza or mass deaths among Palestinians. Jedi Guy Oct 2023 #138

I don't know why Hamas would not expect this response Redleg Oct 2023 #143

So no Hamas fighters have died, just all civilians? Unlikely EX500rider Oct 2023 #26

So when the Hutus killed 800,000 Tutsis with machetes over the course of 3 months milestogo Oct 2023 #22

Someone is pushing a button that drops a weapon they no not where randr Oct 2023 #10

Gosh edhopper Oct 2023 #11

According to a couple of posters here SickOfTheOnePct Oct 2023 #14

Tired of the edhopper Oct 2023 #25

They're not Hamas apologists! AZSkiffyGeek Oct 2023 #30

You had me going there edhopper Oct 2023 #34

There is a distinction between "blaming" and "criticizing" Redleg Oct 2023 #52

I do edhopper Oct 2023 #81

Yes- "genocide" is laden with meaning and strong emotion Redleg Oct 2023 #96

+1 And the latent antisemitism BannonsLiver Oct 2023 #110

Vowing to do it and actually doing it are different things Redleg Oct 2023 #41

Fine edhopper Oct 2023 #82

That is a good point Redleg Oct 2023 #95

No question this was a complete failure edhopper Oct 2023 #109

I see I'm in good Cha Oct 2023 #17

intentional and purposeful genocide to eliminate the population of Gaza?? NO WarGamer Oct 2023 #18

Honestly Gaza will need a complete reset... Happy Hoosier Oct 2023 #101

Nope. Elessar Zappa Oct 2023 #33

This message was self-deleted by its author Thinker Cats Oct 2023 #35

Yes they are, imo. So is Hamas. Oneironaut Oct 2023 #46

Nope. Hamas declared war, the Palestinians are paying for it, big time. OAITW r.2.0 Oct 2023 #53

I think that Hamas is killing people in mass numbers. Initech Oct 2023 #61

I will say this for Hamas... They are marketing GENIUSES AZSkiffyGeek Oct 2023 #66

Well the real bad guy in all of this is Vladimir Putin. Initech Oct 2023 #68

I'm sure he has a hand in it AZSkiffyGeek Oct 2023 #69

It is a very complicated and tangled web. Initech Oct 2023 #75

Honestly I'd like to see Mossad do some targeted operations AZSkiffyGeek Oct 2023 #77

Mossad is very patient. revmclaren Oct 2023 #116

+1. Few people know that one fifth of Israel's citizens are Palestinian. Genocide, my ass dalton99a Oct 2023 #126

I don't think it's genocide, which, by definition, has the aim of the complete destruction of the group targeted. lees1975 Oct 2023 #67

Extremism in the defense of liberty... dchill Oct 2023 #78

"Genocide" has become an antisemitic dog whistle as it relates to Israel. nt LexVegas Oct 2023 #79

Yes, exactly what you said. madaboutharry Oct 2023 #83

Anyone Claiming this is genocide..... Willto Oct 2023 #87

Yes. betsuni Oct 2023 #88

Exactly, they can spin it however they fucking want to and the bullshit still smells like fucking bullshit anti Semitism SoFlaBro Oct 2023 #89

The vast majority of us condemned the US for killing all those Iraqis ecstatic Oct 2023 #90

The post above yours provides a good rebuttal, but I'll weigh in as well. yardwork Oct 2023 #98

I would add SickOfTheOnePct Oct 2023 #103

Yes! yardwork Oct 2023 #113

Who? Willto Oct 2023 #104

Your post is exhibit 1A in gaslighting. madaboutharry Oct 2023 #105

And destroy the credibility of a poster on DU. revmclaren Oct 2023 #117

Of course it's not millions yet. That's why everyone is calling for a ceasefire so it doesn't get to that point. nt ecstatic Oct 2023 #125

"...not millions yet." madaboutharry Oct 2023 #128

I mean SickOfTheOnePct Oct 2023 #129

Yes.. DemocratInPa Oct 2023 #106

Please SickOfTheOnePct Oct 2023 #107

It is.. Willto Oct 2023 #108

certainly disregard of life. pansypoo53219 Oct 2023 #130

NO................... but it is regrettable............... DemocraticPatriot Oct 2023 #131

22% of American Jews believe Israel is committing genocide Army Brat Oct 2023 #139

I hate this but I'm wading in again. haele Oct 2023 #140

Israel isn't doing anything that's all that different from Area Bombing by the Allies in WWII Kennah Oct 2023 #141

Genocide/expulsion enid602 Oct 2023 #144

Yes, as does my 97 year old Jewish mother in law, and her 5 children. Goddessartist Nov 2023 #147

If Zeitghost Nov 2023 #149

No, but the air strikes of refugee camps and civilian housing is... brush Nov 2023 #151

No combatant SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2023 #152

Poll SYGDeb Nov 2023 #153