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11. I will make a statement I have not made before. If Trump wins and has the House and Senate, the Union of

Mon Jul 1, 2024, 08:51 PM

Jul 2024

the States will likely not survive in its present form. Even if he lacks control of both chambers (most likely scenario for that is we re-take the House and lose the Senate in 2024) it still may be eventually on the cards, especially if SCOTUS continues to decimate the rule of law and the vitally-needed oversight of many facets of life by the guardrails and rules of the administrative state.

Also, if Trump loses in 2024, the threat of all that is only kicked down the road, it is not sorted nor removed AT ALL.

I have seen people proclaim that a Trump loss will mean a quick return to a 'normal' Rethug Party over the next 4 to 8 (or so) years.

Delusional thinking that is, IMHO. The genie is out of the bottle.

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Biden's "absolute immunity" speech: Satisfied or not? [View all] ecstatic Jul 2024 OP

bit of a campaign speech tho nt msongs Jul 2024 #1

That too. I think he should have taken questions ecstatic Jul 2024 #5

Disagree asm128 Jul 2024 #7

So the President should ignore the press for the next four months? brooklynite Jul 2024 #13

Yes. edisdead Jul 2024 #20

How many successful national campaigns have you ran media relations for? Zeitghost Jul 2024 #47

Maybe YOU should... DemocraticPatriot Jul 2024 #46

He shoupd have taken questions. Be stronger!!! Trueblue1968 Jul 2024 #50

And? Cha Jul 2024 #8

Warranted under the circumstances because wnylib Jul 2024 #26

he would have been neglectful not mentioning one of the greatest threats to our democracy bigtree Jul 2024 #35

these types of polls are unfortunately too often used as 'gotcha' games Celerity Jul 2024 #2

true. I guess my issue is ecstatic Jul 2024 #10

I will make a statement I have not made before. If Trump wins and has the House and Senate, the Union of Celerity Jul 2024 #11

I agree. I've thought secession might be the best option, even though it opens up a world of problems. shrike3 Jul 2024 #14

The country has been set upon a course wherein an out-of-control, corrupted, non-accountable (in actual real-world Celerity Jul 2024 #17

Bleak scenario. But probably accurate. It may come about we have no other option. shrike3 Jul 2024 #21

That is scary. I hope my blue state takes me back ecstatic Jul 2024 #29

We are now travelling toward an inescapable head on collision wnylib Jul 2024 #32

There's no longer Rule of Law..There is only Presidential Law. erodriguez Jul 2024 #54

What he said orangecrush Jul 2024 #3

There is a contingent of folks who were not going not be happy unless he announced summary executions. tritsofme Jul 2024 #4

If he don't larwdem Jul 2024 #6

I hope our side has some plans to act aggressively to thwart republican voter suppression and any ballot fraud brewens Jul 2024 #9

Biden and Harris JustAnotherGen Jul 2024 #12

That will not happen. We will not accept another wnylib Jul 2024 #38

I don't want anyone to act like a dictator. Ms. Toad Jul 2024 #15

Democracy is not on the menu, strong or otherwise. TheKentuckian Jul 2024 #18

A benevolent dictator is still a dictator. Ms. Toad Jul 2024 #24

I want Biden to protect us by any means possible. ecstatic Jul 2024 #30

No one can protect us from a dictator by becoming one. n/t Ms. Toad Jul 2024 #34

THIS !!! People don't understand if we give up freedom for security we get neither uponit7771 Jul 2024 #39

We will lose both freedom and security if Trump gets into the WH again. wnylib Jul 2024 #42

Vote or not, one cannot play keep away forever TheKentuckian Jul 2024 #31

It it not a blemish on your soul - Ms. Toad Jul 2024 #33

I'll take my chances riding with still here. TheKentuckian Jul 2024 #41

Agree. But if it becomes an emergency protection of democracy, wnylib Jul 2024 #40

If the case winds its way to the Supreme Court - Ms. Toad Jul 2024 #43

Sorry to hear that. I am thinking of how wnylib Jul 2024 #49

Apples and walnuts. Ms. Toad Jul 2024 #56

Where is it authorized in the constitution? wnylib Jul 2024 #58

Article I, Section 9, of the Constitution, Ms. Toad Jul 2024 #59

I liked the speech, but I wanted him to answer questions at the end Polybius Jul 2024 #16

No. The questions would have focused on the debate wnylib Jul 2024 #44

Say why. edisdead Jul 2024 #19

Personally, I would have liked to see more options in the poll Polybius Jul 2024 #23

Maybe it should have been a grade scale of A through F ecstatic Jul 2024 #25

It's good that the speech did not reassure you. wnylib Jul 2024 #45

The performance was fine if that is the point of the question. TheKentuckian Jul 2024 #36

The value is that the speech laid it out in the open wnylib Jul 2024 #48

Is there a transcript dweller Jul 2024 #22

Maybe. It is only 5 mins long though. emulatorloo Jul 2024 #28

he needs to mention the importance of avoiding project 2025 Plectranthus Jul 2024 #27

JRB has always held his cards close...not giving away anything. That what makes him such a great politician PortTack Jul 2024 #37

Agree. I think that he was informing the people of wnylib Jul 2024 #51

His options now include new powers. BlueWavePsych Jul 2024 #57

He was fine, but we have to start calling trump and the thugs out in no uncertain terms, similar to the JohnSJ Jul 2024 #52

He was fine, but we have to start calling trump and the thugs out in no uncertain terms, similar to the JohnSJ Jul 2024 #53

Voted No Opinion as I didn't watch it Kaleva Jul 2024 #55