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wnylib

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23. There have been some DU posts about the gish gallop.
Tue Jul 9, 2024, 02:51 PM
Jul 2024

That's how I learned about it.

It is impossible to counter each lie, especially in a debate format, because there are so many that come so rapidly. They are so outrageous that they have the effect of leaving the interviewer, or debate opponent in this case, so stunned that they search for a comeback while the next several lies are still spewing.

For someone with a stutter, that is very problematic. They trip over their own words and lose their train of thought before they can respond. Add to that some fatigue, not just from the European travel, but from a busy schedule after returning home. Add to that a cold. (And maybe cold medicine? )

In 2020, Trump's aggressive demeanor in the debates was intended to throw Biden into a stutter that would make him look bad. It failed because Trump just came across as the clod that he is and Biden kept his cool.

But this time around, I am 100% certain that Trump was coached on the gish gallop prior to the debate. Yeah, he lied when he said that he did not prep for it.

In the normal business of a president, a gish galloping person is not a problem. He can just walk away. He will have advisors with him who can join him in rebutting the fast and furious lies. He can just say, "I will not engage in this kind of nonsense. Come back when you are ready to talk sense." Boom. End of problem.

But a debate candidate cannot do that. He has to respond with 1 and 2 minute limits to a slew of outrageous lies that would take a whole day to put down. And he also has to present his own positive, contructive views and policies.

So, I have zero concerns about Biden's cognitive abilities. Considering what he was dealing with in Trump, the constraints of the debate setting, his cold and being tired from his schedule, Biden did as well as anyone else in the same situation would have done.










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The logic to this theory is that expectations are low for Trump so people don't even bother. Renew Deal Jul 2024 #1
It has gotten to be so much about optics and not content.. Peacetrain Jul 2024 #2
Some one turned me on to something DENVERPOPS Jul 2024 #10
Wii do! I have seen the term used in here in other ops but have not looked it up yet Peacetrain Jul 2024 #11
Gish gallop is talked about frequently here. ananda Jul 2024 #12
Gish gallop LiberalArkie Jul 2024 #13
Gish gallopers used to be called bullshit artists. sop Jul 2024 #17
I think the only way to deal with it is not to engage with it in the first place. Trueblue Texan Jul 2024 #16
As long as the debate judges know what is going on fine, but the party throwing out the garbage may make points LiberalArkie Jul 2024 #19
There have been some DU posts about the gish gallop. wnylib Jul 2024 #23
I don't see Biden fighting "Gish Gallop" with "Gish Gallop" Is there another way to fight against it in a debate? SupportSanity Jul 2024 #27
Yes, that may be true PatSeg Jul 2024 #15
K&R spanone Jul 2024 #3
Dan Rather bdamomma Jul 2024 #4
"Imperfections", you are too kind. Magoo48 Jul 2024 #18
Koch, Sinclair, Mercer, and Murdoch are especially interested in destroying government. Hermit-The-Prog Jul 2024 #25
Almost 2 weeks in and the word "disastrous" is used in every story. Boomerproud Jul 2024 #5
Let's not kid ourselves. They are not going to let this go. hadEnuf Jul 2024 #6
This!!! Seems every news source latched onto this description within 48 hrs of the event. n/t thenelm1 Jul 2024 #8
Here is Dan Rather's article ... aggiesal Jul 2024 #7
God bless Dan Rather. calimary Jul 2024 #9
Gish gallop 90-percent Jul 2024 #14
He's right. GoodRaisin Jul 2024 #20
Well, we here on DU are analyzing Trump's every move SpankMe Jul 2024 #21
Biden is not physically "feeble". llmart Jul 2024 #22
Trump is obese JustAnotherGen Jul 2024 #24
Aaand A DIAPER! bobalew Jul 2024 #26
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