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jmbar2

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Wed Jul 24, 2024, 12:06 PM Jul 24

Advice to white people during this momentous time in our history [View all]

Last edited Wed Jul 24, 2024, 01:23 PM - Edit history (2)

I read this thread and thought it well worth sharing here on DU.

Those of us who are white Harris supporters need to be aware of our own potential cultural/racial blinders, and respect the tremendous energy and leadership of the African-American community in this election cycle.

EDIT: The post below gives a fairly innocuous example of a potential blindspot. Did you know about the role of black sororities/fraternities in Harris's campaign? The marching videos that we all enjoy? I didn't. We are being exposed to new stuff. It's interesting.

This is to say, the Harris campaign is an amazing cultural phenomenon. This is a time to for us to observe and learn.


Whites form the dominant support for TFG, so we are not viewed as the most trustworthy allies. We need to earn that trust by supporting the campaign with all our might, and doing the work in our own communities to try to turn the 50% of whites still supporting TFG.




White friends, especially white women who did not have an undergraduate sorority experience:

In the coming months you’ll likely see a great deal of content about VP Harris’ sorority affiliation and the support from its members. We 🩷 it. Some info & tips for us:

Madame VP’s affiliation is Alpha Kappa Alpha Sorority, Inc. Use the full name whenever possible. AKA is the appropriate abbreviation if needed. It was founded in 1908 at Howard University.. 1/

AKA is one of 9 Black Greek letter organizations unified under the National Pan-Hellenic Council (NPHC). There are 4 women’s orgs and 5 men’s, the collective often called the Divine Nine. 2/

AKA symbols include ivy and pearls and the colors pink and green. The symbols, gestures, and other insignia of the org are *not ours* to post/wear/etc. Do not use these to represent your support. 3/
Like their Divine Nine counterparts, AKA has hand signs and dance elements seen in step routines and party strolls that are uniquely theirs. You may likely see them in photos and videos. Again, *not ours*. 4/

These are *not* TikTok dances for everyone to learn, not photo poses to be appropriated. Hype them, share them, support the art. Do. Not. Do. Them. And, if you’re lucky enough to be at an event where a Black Greek party stroll breaks out… 5/

Back up, and cheer. Don’t try to join in. This is not a conga line at your cousin’s wedding reception. And, if you need to cross the room, you do not walk through the middle of a party stroll line to get there. Go around. /6

Members of the org do not use the term “sisters” that you may hear white sorority women use. They will call one another “soror.” This is not a synonym for sibling or friend. Don’t try to use it in place of sister or bestie. Members only, among themselves. /7

In greeting or to acknowledge one another in groups, you may hear their call: skee-weee. Sometime just like that, sometimes in a call/response, always high pitched. I know it’s in a popular song but still: No. We’re not gonna have well-meaning white folks trying /8


To use that at rallies to cheer. Or anywhere. Again, not for us. Black Greek culture is wonderful, and the culture is not transferable.

End TED Talk. Thank you for your time. 9/9


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Bookmarking Drum Jul 24 #1
Me, too. Thanks for the post Deuxcents Jul 24 #2
interesting stopdiggin Jul 24 #3
Putting it out there is the first step jmbar2 Jul 24 #4
no argument. stopdiggin Jul 24 #6
Wonderful post, jmbar2. So knowlegeable about the "Devine Nine." brush Jul 24 #153
Negative much? whathehell Jul 24 #16
Humans naturally "imitate and co-opt" culture and its elements misanthrope Jul 24 #23
Yes, especially within a diverse society.. whathehell Jul 24 #55
100% correct. stopdiggin Jul 24 #158
Not sociology but anthropology misanthrope Jul 24 #171
and I'd stick with stopdiggin Jul 24 #172
Indeed if we didn't we'd still be living in the stone age. Crunchy Frog Jul 25 #194
I don't really think the most important role of white Democrats in supporting Kamala's election Scrivener7 Jul 24 #5
It's just one example of how we can have blind spots jmbar2 Jul 24 #7
It's unserious. Have we ever told people how to behave with respect to male candidates' fraternities? Scrivener7 Jul 24 #8
There are some pretty big differences between Black and white Greek organizations and it's not a bad idea to know them. WhiskeyGrinder Jul 24 #13
Why? Greek organizations, black or white, are not Scrivener7 Jul 24 #14
Oh, but they are. WhiskeyGrinder Jul 24 #19
That's great. And that happened without people knowing their inner etiquette. Scrivener7 Jul 24 #24
The black greek organizations JustAnotherGen Jul 24 #28
Great post. Thanks for the insight. WhiskeyGrinder Jul 24 #29
Thanks for sharing this jmbar2 Jul 24 #34
Warning JustAnotherGen Jul 24 #48
Well, we all have our crosses to bear jmbar2 Jul 24 #52
Thank you! Ms. Toad Jul 24 #129
well said! and in response to another post that elevated the discussion! -(nt)- stopdiggin Jul 24 #161
Well put! thank you for clarifying for others... FirstLight Jul 24 #150
Ty for informing us who wouldn't necessarily know. electric_blue68 Jul 24 #154
LOL. Those are the guys who run the country -- so we've been told all about Skull&Bones... Hekate Jul 24 #116
Its always a good time to learn new things, but teaching more ways to undo embracing diversity is not one of them, imo. msfiddlestix Jul 26 #216
true. but GIVEN that information stopdiggin Jul 24 #11
This stuff about to show up on TikTok anyway in 5 . . . 4 . . . 3 . . . Sympthsical Jul 24 #18
How I DESPISE TikTok. nt oldsoftie Jul 24 #106
Truly. Baitball Blogger Jul 24 #21
There is little comparison IbogaProject Jul 24 #45
Just be careful how you introduce these organizations when you tack it on to Kamala Harris's success. Baitball Blogger Jul 24 #53
Gentle nudge happy feet Jul 24 #61
I'm not the one you'll need to convince. Baitball Blogger Jul 24 #65
FYI: Education and academics are not secondary to Black Greek organizations. brush Jul 24 #156
From what I can tell, as an outsider and new to learning about this cultural phenomenon, jmbar2 Jul 24 #50
Oh, the white Greek system was also about pulling others up. Baitball Blogger Jul 24 #60
You have a point, but jmbar2 Jul 24 #63
You would be right. They are loyal only to their own members. Baitball Blogger Jul 24 #73
As a founding member of happy feet Jul 24 #57
LOL! Baitball Blogger Jul 24 #62
I don't know anything about Black sororities other than wnylib Jul 24 #123
FYI: Members of Black Greek organizations were NOT prevented for so long from achieving recognition and success. brush Jul 24 #160
Thanks for the feedback. wnylib Jul 24 #167
I apologize for a patronizing tone. wnylib Jul 24 #192
One thing to know, pls don't refer to Black people as "blacks", it's offensive, how trump refers to Black people. brush Jul 25 #195
This message was self-deleted by its author wnylib Jul 25 #197
OK. My own interracial background is Native American and European American. wnylib Jul 25 #198
the whole point is that this isn't your "normal" sorority FirstLight Jul 24 #151
It's not about sorority etiquette. Ms. Toad Jul 24 #27
Thanks. You said it much better. jmbar2 Jul 24 #43
"Coopting them"? Goodheart Jul 24 #100
Mostly it turns people off who don't respect others' cultures. n/t Ms. Toad Jul 24 #103
That's a B.S. personal attack. Goodheart Jul 24 #108
It is more about treating the individuals within a culture with respect Ms. Toad Jul 24 #120
NOBODY has any permanent exclusive right to ANY human idea or activity. Goodheart Jul 24 #128
I get that you have no respect for the people whose lives and culture we white folks have been stealing Ms. Toad Jul 24 #130
Culture isn't static and doesn't belong to one particular group Zeitghost Jul 24 #147
Except you're kind of speaking for them now Sympthsical Jul 24 #157
... Drum Jul 24 #159
Awesome post! soandso Jul 24 #163
God, yes. orange jar Jul 24 #165
And, have a good look at her soandso Jul 24 #169
and now that IS a personal attack stopdiggin Jul 24 #164
I find that ridiculous soandso Jul 24 #144
the MAGAt shaman comes to mind. WhiteTara Jul 24 #184
Topic comes up in traditional music as well. Appropriation of Slave music white people are not entitled to play or sing. msfiddlestix Jul 25 #211
it's more than just unfortunate stopdiggin Jul 25 #214
Culture is culture Jk23 Jul 24 #137
Agreed. whathehell Jul 24 #40
I don't remember the post happy feet Jul 24 #51
Totally agree. Its ridiculous & condescending oldsoftie Jul 24 #105
You've lost the concept of mansplaining somehow. Ms. Toad Jul 24 #132
There's no Ally Behavior she's a fellow Democrat Jk23 Jul 24 #139
That's not the point. The point is to avoid cultural appropriation yardwork Jul 24 #134
I must be missing something soandso Jul 24 #145
It's a TikTok thing. yardwork Jul 24 #152
Brilliant! Bok_Tukalo Jul 24 #9
Here's hoping you stretched before you took that leap. WhiskeyGrinder Jul 24 #10
Um, not so much.. whathehell Jul 24 #26
Don't forget to sit with your discomfort...that's also super important Prairie Gates Jul 24 #44
Lol..I'm disinclined to take orders. n/t whathehell Jul 24 #59
How about sit down and listen? Iggo Jul 24 #67
I considered posting on the Xitter thread, Crunchy Frog Jul 24 #193
If I suddenly feel compelled to join a sorority this will be invaluable information. BannonsLiver Jul 24 #12
lol soandso Jul 24 #146
Please, we've got more to be concerned about than whether or not Sogo Jul 24 #15
Cultural approriation is the most serious offense! Prairie Gates Jul 24 #42
So serious hueymahl Jul 24 #56
This isn't even the organization Prairie Gates Jul 24 #68
WINNING!!! nt oldsoftie Jul 24 #109
White People are welcome in the Democratic Party. Kid Berwyn Jul 24 #17
Thank you jmbar2 Jul 24 #20
You are welcome. Kid Berwyn Jul 24 #126
Really? whathehell Jul 24 #31
Sorry! Didn't know you were so sensitive. Kid Berwyn Jul 24 #119
I'm not sure I was being particularly sensitive.. whathehell Jul 24 #138
Thank you for saying I am welcome. Doodley Jul 24 #38
You're welcome! Kid Berwyn Jul 24 #122
One correction - Ms. Toad Jul 24 #22
Thanks jmbar2 Jul 24 #25
Yes! Ms. Toad Jul 24 #96
I just heard Kamala, herself, use the term "sisters" for fellow sorority members. Goodheart Jul 24 #95
Aside from using the term sister, the rest of it fits with my personal experience. Ms. Toad Jul 24 #115
Spare us the "cultural appropriation" talk. Goodheart Jul 24 #118
Respecting the culture of others, and autonomy over that culture, is a progressive value, last I checked. n/t Ms. Toad Jul 24 #124
Like I said, you make no sense. Goodheart Jul 24 #127
Considering the topic at hand, Abolishinist Jul 24 #133
Unlike the topic of this thread, Ms. Toad Jul 24 #136
Musicians really DIG when other people stopdiggin Jul 24 #166
Not at all. Ms. Toad Jul 24 #168
I see you are determined to defend the (very tenuous) stopdiggin Jul 24 #170
Ok, I clearly have a blind spot somewhere in here, but I can't figure out where it is and I need help... Trueblue Texan Jul 24 #30
Her post was explaining a cultural thing that we may not get jmbar2 Jul 24 #37
Maybe if she had used the words "info for all" instead of "advice for whites" Goodheart Jul 24 #97
That was my title - should have wordsmithed it better jmbar2 Jul 24 #99
I'm hardly worried about it. Its just divisive. oldsoftie Jul 24 #111
I reject ALL "advice to white people" WarGamer Jul 24 #32
May favorite is white people advising white people on edisdead Jul 24 #49
It's disgusting, frankly. WarGamer Jul 24 #54
LOL, yep DeepWinter Jul 24 #107
"Dear White People . . ." is how not to do voter outreach Sympthsical Jul 24 #66
+1000 nt WarGamer Jul 24 #70
I'm finding most of this thread pretty distasteful, frankly. Goodheart Jul 24 #101
I didn't have any plans to do any of those things, Mr.Bill Jul 24 #33
I didn't know about the sorority till yesterday when... ananda Jul 24 #35
I was always impressed with that scene IbogaProject Jul 24 #36
I love the step shows on Youtube. jmbar2 Jul 24 #39
Oooof Prairie Gates Jul 24 #41
Cringey AF. edisdead Jul 24 #46
Greek collegiate organizations of any kind are personally kind of strange to me in general. Tommy Carcetti Jul 24 #47
Same, something about the exclusivity at its foundation misanthrope Jul 24 #64
Is this really necessary ? Most white women supporting her are going to be younger ones JI7 Jul 24 #58
What!? lol Oneironaut Jul 24 #69
Couldn't agree more. orange jar Jul 24 #71
Thank you! MLAA Jul 24 #72
Good advice. They are celebrating their sorority and the Vice President's membership therein. Gore1FL Jul 24 #74
Just saying... Iggo Jul 24 #75
Definitely taking some heat jmbar2 Jul 24 #78
LOL .... Been there. Iggo Jul 24 #80
You talking about the replies here, or the original tweet thread? jmbar2 Jul 24 #84
Oh wow! I never even got that far. Iggo Jul 24 #91
Let's not do this. redgreenandblue Jul 24 #76
The uspside is most people in the thread can see how ridiculous this is. BannonsLiver Jul 24 #77
I'm white DownriverDem Jul 24 #79
Me too jmbar2 Jul 24 #81
um Skittles Jul 24 #82
What Skittles Said! ProfessorGAC Jul 24 #113
Ditto. roamer65 Jul 24 #176
Me either. I am glad to hear they are on our side. GoodRaisin Jul 25 #215
This is a good example how we can lose this election. Let's focus on us, not me. jalan48 Jul 24 #83
Well said. (nt) Paladin Jul 24 #86
Well said! pinkstarburst Jul 24 #92
IMO Chicagogrl1 Jul 24 #85
yup Skittles Jul 25 #196
My daughter has AKA friends . . . AverageOldGuy Jul 24 #87
I learned a lot here.Thank you for posting this great information! arkielib Jul 24 #88
Thank you jmbar2 Jul 24 #94
K&R spanone Jul 24 #89
I've spent my long life in what seemed to be the UN. multigraincracker Jul 24 #90
Something that we white people do not understand AverageOldGuy Jul 24 #93
That's one of the reasons I think this is such a unique moment in American history jmbar2 Jul 24 #98
I think you meant to say, "rich people can join anything they want " questionseverything Jul 24 #143
Isn't a huge point of the Greek system (everyone's okay with appropriating that title btw from the actual Greeks ;-) ) AkFemDem Jul 24 #189
I agree BonnieJW Jul 24 #102
Not even close to the same thing. Goodheart Jul 24 #112
I think intent is the important thing on that one Jk23 Jul 24 #141
I've been doing that for a while. This is what has been desperately needed for a long time. onecaliberal Jul 24 #104
I had no idea & am very grateful for this well-presented info! I have no background in sororities... Hekate Jul 24 #110
Noted and SHARED! FirstLight Jul 24 #114
I wonder what Michelle, an honorary member of Abolishinist Jul 24 #117
Great Obama quote! pattyloutwo Jul 24 #148
This sort of discourse will not help Kamala's election. I respectfully suggest Greek association is irrelevant. jaxexpat Jul 24 #121
I agree. What an unhelpful post. pinkstarburst Jul 24 #125
If this sort of talk stands, our victory is in jeopardy. jaxexpat Jul 24 #131
I was ForgedCrank Jul 24 #173
👍👍 Drum Jul 24 #174
"Every fissure in our house is their pleasure..." Absolutely AGREE. And is it my imagination B.See Jul 24 #177
A panty raid would be cultural appropriation, I think. Crunchy Frog Jul 24 #185
Oh, you devil! jaxexpat Jul 25 #200
Cool. Lunabell Jul 24 #135
Much appreciated. This white person says "thanks"! n/t TygrBright Jul 24 #140
Thank you Tygr jmbar2 Jul 24 #142
Wow! Thank you for that. I never knew any of this and feel glad that I now do. Stinky The Clown Jul 24 #149
MY advice to White People is unchanged from my advice to non-white people DFW Jul 24 #155
Love this! Politicub Jul 24 #162
Sororities wildflowergardener Jul 24 #175
Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 24 #178
Hi. Plan on being here long? GP6971 Jul 24 #179
Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 24 #180
I'm an American supporting another American for president. Crunchy Frog Jul 24 #181
Agreed! Drum Jul 24 #183
Post wildflowergardener Jul 24 #182
My title was indeed poorly phrased jmbar2 Jul 24 #187
Post wildflowergardener Jul 25 #199
I want to know if the Greeks care AkFemDem Jul 24 #186
AKA Stroll Instructional video Mosby Jul 24 #188
This is cool jmbar2 Jul 25 #208
Answer me this, why should I even consider Abolishinist Jul 24 #190
I thought it was posted as a joke. Doodley Jul 24 #191
I am not sure this is helpful in terms of getting out the vote. Irish_Dem Jul 25 #201
nor am I. B.See Jul 25 #202
Have no idea what the hell this is about. betsuni Jul 25 #203
K & R malaise Jul 25 #204
Thank you jmbar2 Jul 25 #206
Same here malaise Jul 25 #207
The White Woman Zoom meeting is tonight 5 pacific... samnsara Jul 25 #205
Don't do this and don't do that. Don't Join in, Don't show your Support, 'don't wear these colors msfiddlestix Jul 25 #209
I moved to Japan years ago jmbar2 Jul 25 #210
Party stroll Aviation Pro Jul 25 #212
Wow! The cane pass is awesome jmbar2 Jul 25 #213
Of all the facts about Kamala Harris kcr Jul 26 #217
The Divine9 African-American fraternities/sororities have triggered a sea-change in American politics jmbar2 Jul 26 #218
And all those things have been accomplished equally kcr Jul 26 #219
They've emerged as a major force for change in American politics jmbar2 Jul 26 #220
Gee, elitest exclusive clubs have power? kcr Jul 26 #221
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