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orange jar

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71. Couldn't agree more.

Wed Jul 24, 2024, 01:03 PM

Jul 2024

And this is a white person lecturing people too, lol. I'd have no issue if it was coming from someone who is actually of color, but a white person attempting to speak on behalf of Black sorority women is so… out of touch, to put it kindly.

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Advice to white people during this momentous time in our history [View all] jmbar2 Jul 2024 OP

Bookmarking Drum Jul 2024 #1

Me, too. Thanks for the post Deuxcents Jul 2024 #2

interesting stopdiggin Jul 2024 #3

Putting it out there is the first step jmbar2 Jul 2024 #4

no argument. stopdiggin Jul 2024 #6

Wonderful post, jmbar2. So knowlegeable about the "Devine Nine." brush Jul 2024 #153

Negative much? whathehell Jul 2024 #16

Humans naturally "imitate and co-opt" culture and its elements misanthrope Jul 2024 #23

Yes, especially within a diverse society.. whathehell Jul 2024 #55

100% correct. stopdiggin Jul 2024 #158

Not sociology but anthropology misanthrope Jul 2024 #171

and I'd stick with stopdiggin Jul 2024 #172

Indeed if we didn't we'd still be living in the stone age. Crunchy Frog Jul 2024 #194

I don't really think the most important role of white Democrats in supporting Kamala's election Scrivener7 Jul 2024 #5

It's just one example of how we can have blind spots jmbar2 Jul 2024 #7

It's unserious. Have we ever told people how to behave with respect to male candidates' fraternities? Scrivener7 Jul 2024 #8

There are some pretty big differences between Black and white Greek organizations and it's not a bad idea to know them. WhiskeyGrinder Jul 2024 #13

Why? Greek organizations, black or white, are not Scrivener7 Jul 2024 #14

Oh, but they are. WhiskeyGrinder Jul 2024 #19

That's great. And that happened without people knowing their inner etiquette. Scrivener7 Jul 2024 #24

The black greek organizations JustAnotherGen Jul 2024 #28

Great post. Thanks for the insight. WhiskeyGrinder Jul 2024 #29

Thanks for sharing this jmbar2 Jul 2024 #34

Warning JustAnotherGen Jul 2024 #48

Well, we all have our crosses to bear jmbar2 Jul 2024 #52

Thank you! Ms. Toad Jul 2024 #129

well said! and in response to another post that elevated the discussion! -(nt)- stopdiggin Jul 2024 #161

Well put! thank you for clarifying for others... FirstLight Jul 2024 #150

Ty for informing us who wouldn't necessarily know. electric_blue68 Jul 2024 #154

LOL. Those are the guys who run the country -- so we've been told all about Skull&Bones... Hekate Jul 2024 #116

Its always a good time to learn new things, but teaching more ways to undo embracing diversity is not one of them, imo. msfiddlestix Jul 2024 #216

true. but GIVEN that information stopdiggin Jul 2024 #11

This stuff about to show up on TikTok anyway in 5 . . . 4 . . . 3 . . . Sympthsical Jul 2024 #18

How I DESPISE TikTok. nt oldsoftie Jul 2024 #106

Truly. Baitball Blogger Jul 2024 #21

There is little comparison IbogaProject Jul 2024 #45

Just be careful how you introduce these organizations when you tack it on to Kamala Harris's success. Baitball Blogger Jul 2024 #53

Gentle nudge happy feet Jul 2024 #61

I'm not the one you'll need to convince. Baitball Blogger Jul 2024 #65

FYI: Education and academics are not secondary to Black Greek organizations. brush Jul 2024 #156

From what I can tell, as an outsider and new to learning about this cultural phenomenon, jmbar2 Jul 2024 #50

Oh, the white Greek system was also about pulling others up. Baitball Blogger Jul 2024 #60

You have a point, but jmbar2 Jul 2024 #63

You would be right. They are loyal only to their own members. Baitball Blogger Jul 2024 #73

As a founding member of happy feet Jul 2024 #57

LOL! Baitball Blogger Jul 2024 #62

I don't know anything about Black sororities other than wnylib Jul 2024 #123

FYI: Members of Black Greek organizations were NOT prevented for so long from achieving recognition and success. brush Jul 2024 #160

Thanks for the feedback. wnylib Jul 2024 #167

I apologize for a patronizing tone. wnylib Jul 2024 #192

One thing to know, pls don't refer to Black people as "blacks", it's offensive, how trump refers to Black people. brush Jul 2024 #195

This message was self-deleted by its author wnylib Jul 2024 #197

OK. My own interracial background is Native American and European American. wnylib Jul 2024 #198

the whole point is that this isn't your "normal" sorority FirstLight Jul 2024 #151

It's not about sorority etiquette. Ms. Toad Jul 2024 #27

Thanks. You said it much better. jmbar2 Jul 2024 #43

"Coopting them"? Goodheart Jul 2024 #100

Mostly it turns people off who don't respect others' cultures. n/t Ms. Toad Jul 2024 #103

That's a B.S. personal attack. Goodheart Jul 2024 #108

It is more about treating the individuals within a culture with respect Ms. Toad Jul 2024 #120

NOBODY has any permanent exclusive right to ANY human idea or activity. Goodheart Jul 2024 #128

I get that you have no respect for the people whose lives and culture we white folks have been stealing Ms. Toad Jul 2024 #130

Culture isn't static and doesn't belong to one particular group Zeitghost Jul 2024 #147

Except you're kind of speaking for them now Sympthsical Jul 2024 #157

... Drum Jul 2024 #159

Awesome post! soandso Jul 2024 #163

God, yes. orange jar Jul 2024 #165

And, have a good look at her soandso Jul 2024 #169

and now that IS a personal attack stopdiggin Jul 2024 #164

I find that ridiculous soandso Jul 2024 #144

the MAGAt shaman comes to mind. WhiteTara Jul 2024 #184

Topic comes up in traditional music as well. Appropriation of Slave music white people are not entitled to play or sing. msfiddlestix Jul 2024 #211

it's more than just unfortunate stopdiggin Jul 2024 #214

Culture is culture Jk23 Jul 2024 #137

Agreed. whathehell Jul 2024 #40

I don't remember the post happy feet Jul 2024 #51

Totally agree. Its ridiculous & condescending oldsoftie Jul 2024 #105

You've lost the concept of mansplaining somehow. Ms. Toad Jul 2024 #132

There's no Ally Behavior she's a fellow Democrat Jk23 Jul 2024 #139

That's not the point. The point is to avoid cultural appropriation yardwork Jul 2024 #134

I must be missing something soandso Jul 2024 #145

It's a TikTok thing. yardwork Jul 2024 #152

Brilliant! Bok_Tukalo Jul 2024 #9

Here's hoping you stretched before you took that leap. WhiskeyGrinder Jul 2024 #10

Um, not so much.. whathehell Jul 2024 #26

Don't forget to sit with your discomfort...that's also super important Prairie Gates Jul 2024 #44

Lol..I'm disinclined to take orders. n/t whathehell Jul 2024 #59

How about sit down and listen? Iggo Jul 2024 #67

I considered posting on the Xitter thread, Crunchy Frog Jul 2024 #193

If I suddenly feel compelled to join a sorority this will be invaluable information. BannonsLiver Jul 2024 #12

lol soandso Jul 2024 #146

Please, we've got more to be concerned about than whether or not Sogo Jul 2024 #15

Cultural approriation is the most serious offense! Prairie Gates Jul 2024 #42

So serious hueymahl Jul 2024 #56

This isn't even the organization Prairie Gates Jul 2024 #68

WINNING!!! nt oldsoftie Jul 2024 #109

White People are welcome in the Democratic Party. Kid Berwyn Jul 2024 #17

Thank you jmbar2 Jul 2024 #20

You are welcome. Kid Berwyn Jul 2024 #126

Really? whathehell Jul 2024 #31

Sorry! Didn't know you were so sensitive. Kid Berwyn Jul 2024 #119

I'm not sure I was being particularly sensitive.. whathehell Jul 2024 #138

Thank you for saying I am welcome. Doodley Jul 2024 #38

You're welcome! Kid Berwyn Jul 2024 #122

One correction - Ms. Toad Jul 2024 #22

Thanks jmbar2 Jul 2024 #25

Yes! Ms. Toad Jul 2024 #96

I just heard Kamala, herself, use the term "sisters" for fellow sorority members. Goodheart Jul 2024 #95

Aside from using the term sister, the rest of it fits with my personal experience. Ms. Toad Jul 2024 #115

Spare us the "cultural appropriation" talk. Goodheart Jul 2024 #118

Respecting the culture of others, and autonomy over that culture, is a progressive value, last I checked. n/t Ms. Toad Jul 2024 #124

Like I said, you make no sense. Goodheart Jul 2024 #127

Considering the topic at hand, Abolishinist Jul 2024 #133

Unlike the topic of this thread, Ms. Toad Jul 2024 #136

Musicians really DIG when other people stopdiggin Jul 2024 #166

Not at all. Ms. Toad Jul 2024 #168

I see you are determined to defend the (very tenuous) stopdiggin Jul 2024 #170

Ok, I clearly have a blind spot somewhere in here, but I can't figure out where it is and I need help... Trueblue Texan Jul 2024 #30

Her post was explaining a cultural thing that we may not get jmbar2 Jul 2024 #37

Maybe if she had used the words "info for all" instead of "advice for whites" Goodheart Jul 2024 #97

That was my title - should have wordsmithed it better jmbar2 Jul 2024 #99

I'm hardly worried about it. Its just divisive. oldsoftie Jul 2024 #111

I reject ALL "advice to white people" WarGamer Jul 2024 #32

May favorite is white people advising white people on edisdead Jul 2024 #49

It's disgusting, frankly. WarGamer Jul 2024 #54

LOL, yep DeepWinter Jul 2024 #107

"Dear White People . . ." is how not to do voter outreach Sympthsical Jul 2024 #66

+1000 nt WarGamer Jul 2024 #70

I'm finding most of this thread pretty distasteful, frankly. Goodheart Jul 2024 #101

I didn't have any plans to do any of those things, Mr.Bill Jul 2024 #33

I didn't know about the sorority till yesterday when... ananda Jul 2024 #35

I was always impressed with that scene IbogaProject Jul 2024 #36

I love the step shows on Youtube. jmbar2 Jul 2024 #39

Oooof Prairie Gates Jul 2024 #41

Cringey AF. edisdead Jul 2024 #46

Greek collegiate organizations of any kind are personally kind of strange to me in general. Tommy Carcetti Jul 2024 #47

Same, something about the exclusivity at its foundation misanthrope Jul 2024 #64

Is this really necessary ? Most white women supporting her are going to be younger ones JI7 Jul 2024 #58

What!? lol Oneironaut Jul 2024 #69

Couldn't agree more. orange jar Jul 2024 #71

Thank you! MLAA Jul 2024 #72

Good advice. They are celebrating their sorority and the Vice President's membership therein. Gore1FL Jul 2024 #74

Just saying... Iggo Jul 2024 #75

Definitely taking some heat jmbar2 Jul 2024 #78

LOL .... Been there. Iggo Jul 2024 #80

You talking about the replies here, or the original tweet thread? jmbar2 Jul 2024 #84

Oh wow! I never even got that far. Iggo Jul 2024 #91

Let's not do this. redgreenandblue Jul 2024 #76

The uspside is most people in the thread can see how ridiculous this is. BannonsLiver Jul 2024 #77

I'm white DownriverDem Jul 2024 #79

Me too jmbar2 Jul 2024 #81

um Skittles Jul 2024 #82

What Skittles Said! ProfessorGAC Jul 2024 #113

Ditto. roamer65 Jul 2024 #176

Me either. I am glad to hear they are on our side. GoodRaisin Jul 2024 #215

This is a good example how we can lose this election. Let's focus on us, not me. jalan48 Jul 2024 #83

Well said. (nt) Paladin Jul 2024 #86

Well said! pinkstarburst Jul 2024 #92

IMO Chicagogrl1 Jul 2024 #85

yup Skittles Jul 2024 #196

My daughter has AKA friends . . . AverageOldGuy Jul 2024 #87

I learned a lot here.Thank you for posting this great information! arkielib Jul 2024 #88

Thank you jmbar2 Jul 2024 #94

K&R spanone Jul 2024 #89

I've spent my long life in what seemed to be the UN. multigraincracker Jul 2024 #90

Something that we white people do not understand AverageOldGuy Jul 2024 #93

That's one of the reasons I think this is such a unique moment in American history jmbar2 Jul 2024 #98

I think you meant to say, "rich people can join anything they want " questionseverything Jul 2024 #143

Isn't a huge point of the Greek system (everyone's okay with appropriating that title btw from the actual Greeks ;-) ) AkFemDem Jul 2024 #189

I agree BonnieJW Jul 2024 #102

Not even close to the same thing. Goodheart Jul 2024 #112

I think intent is the important thing on that one Jk23 Jul 2024 #141

I've been doing that for a while. This is what has been desperately needed for a long time. onecaliberal Jul 2024 #104

I had no idea & am very grateful for this well-presented info! I have no background in sororities... Hekate Jul 2024 #110

Noted and SHARED! FirstLight Jul 2024 #114

I wonder what Michelle, an honorary member of Abolishinist Jul 2024 #117

Great Obama quote! pattyloutwo Jul 2024 #148

This sort of discourse will not help Kamala's election. I respectfully suggest Greek association is irrelevant. jaxexpat Jul 2024 #121

I agree. What an unhelpful post. pinkstarburst Jul 2024 #125

If this sort of talk stands, our victory is in jeopardy. jaxexpat Jul 2024 #131

I was ForgedCrank Jul 2024 #173

👍👍 Drum Jul 2024 #174

"Every fissure in our house is their pleasure..." Absolutely AGREE. And is it my imagination B.See Jul 2024 #177

A panty raid would be cultural appropriation, I think. Crunchy Frog Jul 2024 #185

Oh, you devil! jaxexpat Jul 2024 #200

Cool. Lunabell Jul 2024 #135

Much appreciated. This white person says "thanks"! n/t TygrBright Jul 2024 #140

Thank you Tygr jmbar2 Jul 2024 #142

Wow! Thank you for that. I never knew any of this and feel glad that I now do. Stinky The Clown Jul 2024 #149

MY advice to White People is unchanged from my advice to non-white people DFW Jul 2024 #155

Love this! Politicub Jul 2024 #162

Sororities wildflowergardener Jul 2024 #175

Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2024 #178

Hi. Plan on being here long? GP6971 Jul 2024 #179

Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2024 #180

I'm an American supporting another American for president. Crunchy Frog Jul 2024 #181

Agreed! Drum Jul 2024 #183

Post wildflowergardener Jul 2024 #182

My title was indeed poorly phrased jmbar2 Jul 2024 #187

Post wildflowergardener Jul 2024 #199

I want to know if the Greeks care AkFemDem Jul 2024 #186

AKA Stroll Instructional video Mosby Jul 2024 #188

This is cool jmbar2 Jul 2024 #208

Answer me this, why should I even consider Abolishinist Jul 2024 #190

I thought it was posted as a joke. Doodley Jul 2024 #191

I am not sure this is helpful in terms of getting out the vote. Irish_Dem Jul 2024 #201

nor am I. B.See Jul 2024 #202

Have no idea what the hell this is about. betsuni Jul 2024 #203

K & R malaise Jul 2024 #204

Thank you jmbar2 Jul 2024 #206

Same here malaise Jul 2024 #207

The White Woman Zoom meeting is tonight 5 pacific... samnsara Jul 2024 #205

Don't do this and don't do that. Don't Join in, Don't show your Support, 'don't wear these colors msfiddlestix Jul 2024 #209

I moved to Japan years ago jmbar2 Jul 2024 #210

Party stroll Aviation Pro Jul 2024 #212

Wow! The cane pass is awesome jmbar2 Jul 2024 #213

Of all the facts about Kamala Harris kcr Jul 2024 #217

The Divine9 African-American fraternities/sororities have triggered a sea-change in American politics jmbar2 Jul 2024 #218

And all those things have been accomplished equally kcr Jul 2024 #219

They've emerged as a major force for change in American politics jmbar2 Jul 2024 #220

Gee, elitest exclusive clubs have power? kcr Jul 2024 #221