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165. God, yes.
Wed Jul 24, 2024, 07:12 PM
Jul 2024
It goes without saying that cultural appropriation armies are death at the ballot box.
An issue that I have with people who are activist minded is that they tend to underestimate just how important electoral politics is. Most people — including progressives — do not like "cultural appropriation" lectures. "Cultural appropriation" makes zero sense as a concept and only serves to make other white people feel like they're being good allies to people of color, when oftentimes, people of color also roll their eyes at it.

This rhetoric, while generally fringe and only existing on social media, also bleeds into real word politics — not in a good way, either. It makes normal disengaged, apolitical people go, "well, why even bother, then? Why should I vote for people who are yelling at me to shut up and sit down?" even though these are isolated incidents that are independent of campaigns — it turns people off of supporting liberal/progressive candidates out of fear they'll be chastised for doing it wrong. It is probably the most alienating concept that exists in politics and Democrats are better off dismissing it rather than trying to turn it into a legitimate discussion.

You cannot support objectively divisive rhetoric and be like, "well, progressives should support this…" when, sure, but we aren't only appealing to progressives. We're trying to appeal to everyone who is tired of Trump's clownery — including middle-of-the-road types (such as suburban women) who are less impressed by academic progressivism. You have to win them over so that you eventually can enact progressive policies — you can't just hope for the best that people outside of the bubble will go along with it.
Bookmarking Drum Jul 2024 #1
Me, too. Thanks for the post Deuxcents Jul 2024 #2
interesting stopdiggin Jul 2024 #3
Putting it out there is the first step jmbar2 Jul 2024 #4
no argument. stopdiggin Jul 2024 #6
Wonderful post, jmbar2. So knowlegeable about the "Devine Nine." brush Jul 2024 #153
Negative much? whathehell Jul 2024 #16
Humans naturally "imitate and co-opt" culture and its elements misanthrope Jul 2024 #23
Yes, especially within a diverse society.. whathehell Jul 2024 #55
100% correct. stopdiggin Jul 2024 #158
Not sociology but anthropology misanthrope Jul 2024 #171
and I'd stick with stopdiggin Jul 2024 #172
Indeed if we didn't we'd still be living in the stone age. Crunchy Frog Jul 2024 #194
I don't really think the most important role of white Democrats in supporting Kamala's election Scrivener7 Jul 2024 #5
It's just one example of how we can have blind spots jmbar2 Jul 2024 #7
It's unserious. Have we ever told people how to behave with respect to male candidates' fraternities? Scrivener7 Jul 2024 #8
There are some pretty big differences between Black and white Greek organizations and it's not a bad idea to know them. WhiskeyGrinder Jul 2024 #13
Why? Greek organizations, black or white, are not Scrivener7 Jul 2024 #14
Oh, but they are. WhiskeyGrinder Jul 2024 #19
That's great. And that happened without people knowing their inner etiquette. Scrivener7 Jul 2024 #24
The black greek organizations JustAnotherGen Jul 2024 #28
Great post. Thanks for the insight. WhiskeyGrinder Jul 2024 #29
Thanks for sharing this jmbar2 Jul 2024 #34
Warning JustAnotherGen Jul 2024 #48
Well, we all have our crosses to bear jmbar2 Jul 2024 #52
Thank you! Ms. Toad Jul 2024 #129
well said! and in response to another post that elevated the discussion! -(nt)- stopdiggin Jul 2024 #161
Well put! thank you for clarifying for others... FirstLight Jul 2024 #150
Ty for informing us who wouldn't necessarily know. electric_blue68 Jul 2024 #154
LOL. Those are the guys who run the country -- so we've been told all about Skull&Bones... Hekate Jul 2024 #116
Its always a good time to learn new things, but teaching more ways to undo embracing diversity is not one of them, imo. msfiddlestix Jul 2024 #216
true. but GIVEN that information stopdiggin Jul 2024 #11
This stuff about to show up on TikTok anyway in 5 . . . 4 . . . 3 . . . Sympthsical Jul 2024 #18
How I DESPISE TikTok. nt oldsoftie Jul 2024 #106
Truly. Baitball Blogger Jul 2024 #21
There is little comparison IbogaProject Jul 2024 #45
Just be careful how you introduce these organizations when you tack it on to Kamala Harris's success. Baitball Blogger Jul 2024 #53
Gentle nudge happy feet Jul 2024 #61
I'm not the one you'll need to convince. Baitball Blogger Jul 2024 #65
FYI: Education and academics are not secondary to Black Greek organizations. brush Jul 2024 #156
From what I can tell, as an outsider and new to learning about this cultural phenomenon, jmbar2 Jul 2024 #50
Oh, the white Greek system was also about pulling others up. Baitball Blogger Jul 2024 #60
You have a point, but jmbar2 Jul 2024 #63
You would be right. They are loyal only to their own members. Baitball Blogger Jul 2024 #73
As a founding member of happy feet Jul 2024 #57
LOL! Baitball Blogger Jul 2024 #62
I don't know anything about Black sororities other than wnylib Jul 2024 #123
FYI: Members of Black Greek organizations were NOT prevented for so long from achieving recognition and success. brush Jul 2024 #160
Thanks for the feedback. wnylib Jul 2024 #167
I apologize for a patronizing tone. wnylib Jul 2024 #192
One thing to know, pls don't refer to Black people as "blacks", it's offensive, how trump refers to Black people. brush Jul 2024 #195
This message was self-deleted by its author wnylib Jul 2024 #197
OK. My own interracial background is Native American and European American. wnylib Jul 2024 #198
the whole point is that this isn't your "normal" sorority FirstLight Jul 2024 #151
It's not about sorority etiquette. Ms. Toad Jul 2024 #27
Thanks. You said it much better. jmbar2 Jul 2024 #43
"Coopting them"? Goodheart Jul 2024 #100
Mostly it turns people off who don't respect others' cultures. n/t Ms. Toad Jul 2024 #103
That's a B.S. personal attack. Goodheart Jul 2024 #108
It is more about treating the individuals within a culture with respect Ms. Toad Jul 2024 #120
NOBODY has any permanent exclusive right to ANY human idea or activity. Goodheart Jul 2024 #128
I get that you have no respect for the people whose lives and culture we white folks have been stealing Ms. Toad Jul 2024 #130
Culture isn't static and doesn't belong to one particular group Zeitghost Jul 2024 #147
Except you're kind of speaking for them now Sympthsical Jul 2024 #157
... Drum Jul 2024 #159
Awesome post! soandso Jul 2024 #163
God, yes. orange jar Jul 2024 #165
And, have a good look at her soandso Jul 2024 #169
and now that IS a personal attack stopdiggin Jul 2024 #164
I find that ridiculous soandso Jul 2024 #144
the MAGAt shaman comes to mind. WhiteTara Jul 2024 #184
Topic comes up in traditional music as well. Appropriation of Slave music white people are not entitled to play or sing. msfiddlestix Jul 2024 #211
it's more than just unfortunate stopdiggin Jul 2024 #214
Culture is culture Jk23 Jul 2024 #137
Agreed. whathehell Jul 2024 #40
I don't remember the post happy feet Jul 2024 #51
Totally agree. Its ridiculous & condescending oldsoftie Jul 2024 #105
You've lost the concept of mansplaining somehow. Ms. Toad Jul 2024 #132
There's no Ally Behavior she's a fellow Democrat Jk23 Jul 2024 #139
That's not the point. The point is to avoid cultural appropriation yardwork Jul 2024 #134
I must be missing something soandso Jul 2024 #145
It's a TikTok thing. yardwork Jul 2024 #152
Brilliant! Bok_Tukalo Jul 2024 #9
Here's hoping you stretched before you took that leap. WhiskeyGrinder Jul 2024 #10
Um, not so much.. whathehell Jul 2024 #26
Don't forget to sit with your discomfort...that's also super important Prairie Gates Jul 2024 #44
Lol..I'm disinclined to take orders. n/t whathehell Jul 2024 #59
How about sit down and listen? Iggo Jul 2024 #67
I considered posting on the Xitter thread, Crunchy Frog Jul 2024 #193
If I suddenly feel compelled to join a sorority this will be invaluable information. BannonsLiver Jul 2024 #12
lol soandso Jul 2024 #146
Please, we've got more to be concerned about than whether or not Sogo Jul 2024 #15
Cultural approriation is the most serious offense! Prairie Gates Jul 2024 #42
So serious hueymahl Jul 2024 #56
This isn't even the organization Prairie Gates Jul 2024 #68
WINNING!!! nt oldsoftie Jul 2024 #109
White People are welcome in the Democratic Party. Kid Berwyn Jul 2024 #17
Thank you jmbar2 Jul 2024 #20
You are welcome. Kid Berwyn Jul 2024 #126
Really? whathehell Jul 2024 #31
Sorry! Didn't know you were so sensitive. Kid Berwyn Jul 2024 #119
I'm not sure I was being particularly sensitive.. whathehell Jul 2024 #138
Thank you for saying I am welcome. Doodley Jul 2024 #38
You're welcome! Kid Berwyn Jul 2024 #122
One correction - Ms. Toad Jul 2024 #22
Thanks jmbar2 Jul 2024 #25
Yes! Ms. Toad Jul 2024 #96
I just heard Kamala, herself, use the term "sisters" for fellow sorority members. Goodheart Jul 2024 #95
Aside from using the term sister, the rest of it fits with my personal experience. Ms. Toad Jul 2024 #115
Spare us the "cultural appropriation" talk. Goodheart Jul 2024 #118
Respecting the culture of others, and autonomy over that culture, is a progressive value, last I checked. n/t Ms. Toad Jul 2024 #124
Like I said, you make no sense. Goodheart Jul 2024 #127
Considering the topic at hand, Abolishinist Jul 2024 #133
Unlike the topic of this thread, Ms. Toad Jul 2024 #136
Musicians really DIG when other people stopdiggin Jul 2024 #166
Not at all. Ms. Toad Jul 2024 #168
I see you are determined to defend the (very tenuous) stopdiggin Jul 2024 #170
Ok, I clearly have a blind spot somewhere in here, but I can't figure out where it is and I need help... Trueblue Texan Jul 2024 #30
Her post was explaining a cultural thing that we may not get jmbar2 Jul 2024 #37
Maybe if she had used the words "info for all" instead of "advice for whites" Goodheart Jul 2024 #97
That was my title - should have wordsmithed it better jmbar2 Jul 2024 #99
I'm hardly worried about it. Its just divisive. oldsoftie Jul 2024 #111
I reject ALL "advice to white people" WarGamer Jul 2024 #32
May favorite is white people advising white people on edisdead Jul 2024 #49
It's disgusting, frankly. WarGamer Jul 2024 #54
LOL, yep DeepWinter Jul 2024 #107
"Dear White People . . ." is how not to do voter outreach Sympthsical Jul 2024 #66
+1000 nt WarGamer Jul 2024 #70
I'm finding most of this thread pretty distasteful, frankly. Goodheart Jul 2024 #101
I didn't have any plans to do any of those things, Mr.Bill Jul 2024 #33
I didn't know about the sorority till yesterday when... ananda Jul 2024 #35
I was always impressed with that scene IbogaProject Jul 2024 #36
I love the step shows on Youtube. jmbar2 Jul 2024 #39
Oooof Prairie Gates Jul 2024 #41
Cringey AF. edisdead Jul 2024 #46
Greek collegiate organizations of any kind are personally kind of strange to me in general. Tommy Carcetti Jul 2024 #47
Same, something about the exclusivity at its foundation misanthrope Jul 2024 #64
Is this really necessary ? Most white women supporting her are going to be younger ones JI7 Jul 2024 #58
What!? lol Oneironaut Jul 2024 #69
Couldn't agree more. orange jar Jul 2024 #71
Thank you! MLAA Jul 2024 #72
Good advice. They are celebrating their sorority and the Vice President's membership therein. Gore1FL Jul 2024 #74
Just saying... Iggo Jul 2024 #75
Definitely taking some heat jmbar2 Jul 2024 #78
LOL .... Been there. Iggo Jul 2024 #80
You talking about the replies here, or the original tweet thread? jmbar2 Jul 2024 #84
Oh wow! I never even got that far. Iggo Jul 2024 #91
Let's not do this. redgreenandblue Jul 2024 #76
The uspside is most people in the thread can see how ridiculous this is. BannonsLiver Jul 2024 #77
I'm white DownriverDem Jul 2024 #79
Me too jmbar2 Jul 2024 #81
um Skittles Jul 2024 #82
What Skittles Said! ProfessorGAC Jul 2024 #113
Ditto. roamer65 Jul 2024 #176
Me either. I am glad to hear they are on our side. GoodRaisin Jul 2024 #215
This is a good example how we can lose this election. Let's focus on us, not me. jalan48 Jul 2024 #83
Well said. (nt) Paladin Jul 2024 #86
Well said! pinkstarburst Jul 2024 #92
IMO Chicagogrl1 Jul 2024 #85
yup Skittles Jul 2024 #196
My daughter has AKA friends . . . AverageOldGuy Jul 2024 #87
I learned a lot here.Thank you for posting this great information! arkielib Jul 2024 #88
Thank you jmbar2 Jul 2024 #94
K&R spanone Jul 2024 #89
I've spent my long life in what seemed to be the UN. multigraincracker Jul 2024 #90
Something that we white people do not understand AverageOldGuy Jul 2024 #93
That's one of the reasons I think this is such a unique moment in American history jmbar2 Jul 2024 #98
I think you meant to say, "rich people can join anything they want " questionseverything Jul 2024 #143
Isn't a huge point of the Greek system (everyone's okay with appropriating that title btw from the actual Greeks ;-) ) AkFemDem Jul 2024 #189
I agree BonnieJW Jul 2024 #102
Not even close to the same thing. Goodheart Jul 2024 #112
I think intent is the important thing on that one Jk23 Jul 2024 #141
I've been doing that for a while. This is what has been desperately needed for a long time. onecaliberal Jul 2024 #104
I had no idea & am very grateful for this well-presented info! I have no background in sororities... Hekate Jul 2024 #110
Noted and SHARED! FirstLight Jul 2024 #114
I wonder what Michelle, an honorary member of Abolishinist Jul 2024 #117
Great Obama quote! pattyloutwo Jul 2024 #148
This sort of discourse will not help Kamala's election. I respectfully suggest Greek association is irrelevant. jaxexpat Jul 2024 #121
I agree. What an unhelpful post. pinkstarburst Jul 2024 #125
If this sort of talk stands, our victory is in jeopardy. jaxexpat Jul 2024 #131
I was ForgedCrank Jul 2024 #173
👍👍 Drum Jul 2024 #174
"Every fissure in our house is their pleasure..." Absolutely AGREE. And is it my imagination B.See Jul 2024 #177
A panty raid would be cultural appropriation, I think. Crunchy Frog Jul 2024 #185
Oh, you devil! jaxexpat Jul 2024 #200
Cool. Lunabell Jul 2024 #135
Much appreciated. This white person says "thanks"! n/t TygrBright Jul 2024 #140
Thank you Tygr jmbar2 Jul 2024 #142
Wow! Thank you for that. I never knew any of this and feel glad that I now do. Stinky The Clown Jul 2024 #149
MY advice to White People is unchanged from my advice to non-white people DFW Jul 2024 #155
Love this! Politicub Jul 2024 #162
Sororities wildflowergardener Jul 2024 #175
Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2024 #178
Hi. Plan on being here long? GP6971 Jul 2024 #179
Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2024 #180
I'm an American supporting another American for president. Crunchy Frog Jul 2024 #181
Agreed! Drum Jul 2024 #183
Post wildflowergardener Jul 2024 #182
My title was indeed poorly phrased jmbar2 Jul 2024 #187
Post wildflowergardener Jul 2024 #199
I want to know if the Greeks care AkFemDem Jul 2024 #186
AKA Stroll Instructional video Mosby Jul 2024 #188
This is cool jmbar2 Jul 2024 #208
Answer me this, why should I even consider Abolishinist Jul 2024 #190
I thought it was posted as a joke. Doodley Jul 2024 #191
I am not sure this is helpful in terms of getting out the vote. Irish_Dem Jul 2024 #201
nor am I. B.See Jul 2024 #202
Have no idea what the hell this is about. betsuni Jul 2024 #203
K & R malaise Jul 2024 #204
Thank you jmbar2 Jul 2024 #206
Same here malaise Jul 2024 #207
The White Woman Zoom meeting is tonight 5 pacific... samnsara Jul 2024 #205
Don't do this and don't do that. Don't Join in, Don't show your Support, 'don't wear these colors msfiddlestix Jul 2024 #209
I moved to Japan years ago jmbar2 Jul 2024 #210
Party stroll Aviation Pro Jul 2024 #212
Wow! The cane pass is awesome jmbar2 Jul 2024 #213
Of all the facts about Kamala Harris kcr Jul 2024 #217
The Divine9 African-American fraternities/sororities have triggered a sea-change in American politics jmbar2 Jul 2024 #218
And all those things have been accomplished equally kcr Jul 2024 #219
They've emerged as a major force for change in American politics jmbar2 Jul 2024 #220
Gee, elitest exclusive clubs have power? kcr Jul 2024 #221
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