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In reply to the discussion: Advice to white people during this momentous time in our history [View all]orange jar
(816 posts)165. God, yes.
It goes without saying that cultural appropriation armies are death at the ballot box.
An issue that I have with people who are activist minded is that they tend to underestimate just how important electoral politics is. Most people including progressives do not like "cultural appropriation" lectures. "Cultural appropriation" makes zero sense as a concept and only serves to make other white people feel like they're being good allies to people of color, when oftentimes, people of color also roll their eyes at it.
This rhetoric, while generally fringe and only existing on social media, also bleeds into real word politics not in a good way, either. It makes normal disengaged, apolitical people go, "well, why even bother, then? Why should I vote for people who are yelling at me to shut up and sit down?" even though these are isolated incidents that are independent of campaigns it turns people off of supporting liberal/progressive candidates out of fear they'll be chastised for doing it wrong. It is probably the most alienating concept that exists in politics and Democrats are better off dismissing it rather than trying to turn it into a legitimate discussion.
You cannot support objectively divisive rhetoric and be like, "well, progressives should support this " when, sure, but we aren't only appealing to progressives. We're trying to appeal to everyone who is tired of Trump's clownery including middle-of-the-road types (such as suburban women) who are less impressed by academic progressivism. You have to win them over so that you eventually can enact progressive policies you can't just hope for the best that people outside of the bubble will go along with it.
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I don't really think the most important role of white Democrats in supporting Kamala's election
Scrivener7
Jul 2024
#5
It's unserious. Have we ever told people how to behave with respect to male candidates' fraternities?
Scrivener7
Jul 2024
#8
There are some pretty big differences between Black and white Greek organizations and it's not a bad idea to know them.
WhiskeyGrinder
Jul 2024
#13
That's great. And that happened without people knowing their inner etiquette.
Scrivener7
Jul 2024
#24
well said! and in response to another post that elevated the discussion! -(nt)-
stopdiggin
Jul 2024
#161
LOL. Those are the guys who run the country -- so we've been told all about Skull&Bones...
Hekate
Jul 2024
#116
Its always a good time to learn new things, but teaching more ways to undo embracing diversity is not one of them, imo.
msfiddlestix
Jul 2024
#216
Just be careful how you introduce these organizations when you tack it on to Kamala Harris's success.
Baitball Blogger
Jul 2024
#53
From what I can tell, as an outsider and new to learning about this cultural phenomenon,
jmbar2
Jul 2024
#50
FYI: Members of Black Greek organizations were NOT prevented for so long from achieving recognition and success.
brush
Jul 2024
#160
One thing to know, pls don't refer to Black people as "blacks", it's offensive, how trump refers to Black people.
brush
Jul 2024
#195
I get that you have no respect for the people whose lives and culture we white folks have been stealing
Ms. Toad
Jul 2024
#130
Topic comes up in traditional music as well. Appropriation of Slave music white people are not entitled to play or sing.
msfiddlestix
Jul 2024
#211
If I suddenly feel compelled to join a sorority this will be invaluable information.
BannonsLiver
Jul 2024
#12
I just heard Kamala, herself, use the term "sisters" for fellow sorority members.
Goodheart
Jul 2024
#95
Aside from using the term sister, the rest of it fits with my personal experience.
Ms. Toad
Jul 2024
#115
Respecting the culture of others, and autonomy over that culture, is a progressive value, last I checked. n/t
Ms. Toad
Jul 2024
#124
Ok, I clearly have a blind spot somewhere in here, but I can't figure out where it is and I need help...
Trueblue Texan
Jul 2024
#30
Maybe if she had used the words "info for all" instead of "advice for whites"
Goodheart
Jul 2024
#97
Greek collegiate organizations of any kind are personally kind of strange to me in general.
Tommy Carcetti
Jul 2024
#47
Is this really necessary ? Most white women supporting her are going to be younger ones
JI7
Jul 2024
#58
Good advice. They are celebrating their sorority and the Vice President's membership therein.
Gore1FL
Jul 2024
#74
This is a good example how we can lose this election. Let's focus on us, not me.
jalan48
Jul 2024
#83
That's one of the reasons I think this is such a unique moment in American history
jmbar2
Jul 2024
#98
I think you meant to say, "rich people can join anything they want "
questionseverything
Jul 2024
#143
Isn't a huge point of the Greek system (everyone's okay with appropriating that title btw from the actual Greeks ;-) )
AkFemDem
Jul 2024
#189
I've been doing that for a while. This is what has been desperately needed for a long time.
onecaliberal
Jul 2024
#104
I had no idea & am very grateful for this well-presented info! I have no background in sororities...
Hekate
Jul 2024
#110
This sort of discourse will not help Kamala's election. I respectfully suggest Greek association is irrelevant.
jaxexpat
Jul 2024
#121
"Every fissure in our house is their pleasure..." Absolutely AGREE. And is it my imagination
B.See
Jul 2024
#177
Wow! Thank you for that. I never knew any of this and feel glad that I now do.
Stinky The Clown
Jul 2024
#149
Don't do this and don't do that. Don't Join in, Don't show your Support, 'don't wear these colors
msfiddlestix
Jul 2024
#209