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Igel

(35,875 posts)
25. Indeed.
Sat Jul 27, 2024, 12:00 PM
Jul 27
https://zapatopi.net/treeoctopus/

And who can forget the classic Wiki subversion of the
Bicholim Conflict
https://www.theverge.com/2013/1/5/3839946/wikipedia-hoax-about-bicholim-conflict-deleted-after-5-years
?


But rampant are edits that viewers don't realize are edits. Things like interactions between people that show the last 2 minutes but not the 5 minutes leading up to it--but since the last 2 minutes are outrage-inducing, and since we've already been primed by what linked to that video or by the text associated with the video as to how were are to interpret it and understand it to be "correct," questioning context is hard, esp. when it taints the person we want to believe and are trying to convince ourselves is the innocent victim.

Some Internet falsities are imposed on us (the Bicholim Conflict, the NW tree octopus) but some we talk ourselves into and love to have it so. (Well, it's really a kind of gradient or spectrum--the NW tree octopus is pretty unbelievable to start off with and requires some credulity, the Bicholim Conflict is obscure and nothing about it screams, at least to me, implausible. Other things just require assuming that absolute strangers that we know nothing about are mean-spirited, hateful malicious A-holes based on externalia, things like uniform, skin color, sex, or facial expression in the first 2 seconds of video we see, or even accompanying after-the-fact narrative as to what we're going to see and so what we expect to see.)

Years ago (by which I mean decades ago) I read something and it concluded with a phrase that the Internet shows is novel and unattested anywhere, "Skepticism serves our interests best." (Maybe it was "scepticism," still Google draws a blank.) Skepticism is at the core of critical thinking, whatever the argument's conclusion (we like, we don't like--be skeptical). Feynman had the same basic idea but said for science it's to be first turned inward to claim we make. You wonder if you're being garden-pathed as you watch a video, find the unedited video; when in doubt, don't trust claims taken from headlines, look at original documents. You think that Renaissance piece shouldn't end on a Picardy third? Find the ms. You wonder if Project 2025 really says something, find the text and the context. (But, a la Feynman, distrust most the things you most want to believe. Yeah, this makes life f**king hard.)
Who is claudette Jul 27 #1
Cicero... 42 BC Rubyshoo Jul 27 #3
Full image FakeNoose Jul 27 #12
I just left-clicked on the image and the entire image popped up. generalbetrayus Jul 27 #21
Thank you! claudette Jul 27 #22
Cicero (cut off by the excerpt frame) TommyT139 Jul 27 #4
Who said this ??? SamKnause Jul 27 #2
See Post #3 Rubyshoo Jul 27 #5
Marcus Tullius Cicero hatrack Jul 27 #6
Although a good quote... Hugin Jul 27 #7
Not a 2,000-year-old warning, not from Cicero. WhiskeyGrinder Jul 27 #8
I wonder what a "fictional novel" is cyclonefence Jul 27 #10
The words themselves may be fictional, but the ideas attributed to Cicero are not. paleotn Jul 27 #15
The local library has a category named Christian Fiction. I used to move one of the Bibles from the main spike jones Jul 27 #17
I'd opt for "historical fiction" as a translation from archaic English to contemporary. n/t Igel Jul 27 #24
I think a "fictional novel" is like an "imaginary friend" cyclonefence Jul 27 #33
what! i'm appalled et tu Jul 27 #9
Indeed. Igel Jul 27 #25
i believe you! et tu Jul 27 #29
What?? ShazzieB Jul 27 #34
Whoever said it (and it was a woman--yah, girl-power) it describes the Gilded Turd very well. Timeflyer Jul 27 #11
Something I once heard DeepWinter Jul 27 #13
DeepWinter,,,, Upthevibe Jul 27 #19
Well, obviously that "anti-Christ" sucks at it. Igel Jul 27 #30
Yogi Berra said "I didnt really say all those things I said". twodogsbarking Jul 27 #14
Love this! Way to start my Saturday afternoon MaryMagdaline Jul 27 #26
Ain't Cicero but the ideas are taken from his writing and he would agree. paleotn Jul 27 #16
A lot of people don't like the republic. Igel Jul 27 #31
Here's what I don't understand about people who think they want a dictarship... ShazzieB Jul 27 #35
kick. n/t Upthevibe Jul 27 #18
Totally apropos. Martin68 Jul 27 #20
And if you need a modern-day example: there are few better than Argentina peppertree Jul 27 #23
Words of wisdom generalbetrayus Jul 27 #27
Thank you for posting this LetMyPeopleVote Jul 27 #28
We called that "reverse plagiarism" back in my day; dobleremolque Jul 27 #32
Berry juice ? Did they relax the blood requirement ? nt eppur_se_muova Jul 27 #36
This Twitter post is questionable. Cicero's date of death was 7 December 43 BC. RipVanWinkle Jul 28 #37
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