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wnylib

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44. True. Every region on earth has its climate hazzards.
Sun Oct 6, 2024, 12:36 PM
Oct 6

Usually those hazzards have a range of reasonably predictable patterns that people get accustomed to and know how to handle. But occasionally, maybe once in a century, or once in 4 or 5 decades, an event occurs outside the usual parameters.

Here is just one example in Buffalo. They are used to lake effect snowstorms every year and blizzards about once or twice in a decade. They are equipped for handling those events. But in 2022, the US was hit with heavy snowfalls and severe temperature drops, starting in the west and moving eastward.

By Christmas, when the storm system reached Buffalo, it developed into a once in a generation bomb cyclone that lasted 4 days. Water from pre-blizzard rains froze instantly as temps dropped rapidly and winds rose to 80 mph with higher gusts. Blizzard conditions lasted for 37 hours. Lake effect snowfall continued for 4 days. Lake Erie waves several feet high were blown onto the shore where they instantly froze, layer after layer. Power substations froze solid. Roofs and sliding glass patio doors collapsed. The airport closed for 6 days.

I had lived through a bomb cyclone in Cleveland in January of 1978, so I recognized the warning signs in the Buffalo forecast for December 2022. But most people in the area did not. The NWS warnings about time of arrival were off a bit because conditions changed at the last minute. So thousands of people got caught in last minute Christmas shopping or stocking up for the storm.

It was a huge disaster. 47 people died.

Here on DU, armchair disaster "experts" harshly criticized the victims. The critics knew Buffalo's reputation for lake effect snow, so they "knew" that the victims "brought it on themselves." But that bomb cyclone was far outside the parameters of blizzards for the region. It was a combination of ice storm, lake effect snowfall, sub zero wind chills, and cyclonic winds (a land hurricane) all at once that lasted for 4 days. Holiday visitors from outside the region were caught unaware. Local people had never seen such a storm in their lives.

Similarly, California is used to earthquakes. Buildings are built to withstand them. Locals know how to behave in an earthquake. But if an 8.0 quake or higher ever hits LA or San Francisco, their preparedness would not be enough.


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Thank you for this post. yardwork Oct 6 #1
Yes, the PTSD is horrific for sure. SheltieLover Oct 6 #2
K&R WhiskeyGrinder Oct 6 #3
Yes, x 10000 lark Oct 6 #4
As a retired first responder, I absolutely say those who ignore evacuation orders should be judged harshly RAB910 Oct 6 #5
I'm not talking about mandatory areas. Pacifist Patriot Oct 6 #7
There was no evacuation order in the mountains. yardwork Oct 6 #10
I remember the NHC and/or NOAA warning repeatedly in the days before the storm hit land, that LauraInLA Oct 6 #46
Severe rain and flash floods aren't that uncommon in WNC. yardwork Oct 6 #48
The majority of people who "ignore" evacuation orders generally have pretty solid reasons for not evacuating. WhiskeyGrinder Oct 6 #13
Exactly Farmer-Rick Oct 6 #29
I have never evacuated from a hurricane. I had 3 cats and 7 birds. kerry-is-my-prez Oct 6 #49
I'm really glad you made it through safely! LauraInLA Oct 6 #50
You asked for an explanation MyMission Oct 7 #64
Thanks for the info Farmer-Rick Oct 7 #66
Amen to that !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! DENVERPOPS Oct 6 #16
When 4 hurricanes hit central Florida Keepthesoulalive Oct 6 #17
The folks who think 21 million people can leave a peninsula within 48-72 hours are shockingly stupid. Pacifist Patriot Oct 6 #22
You have to live thru Keepthesoulalive Oct 6 #28
While I can understand your perspective, I see other sides as well. EVACUATE! niyad Oct 6 #41
Excellent post. Thanks. underpants Oct 6 #6
I vividly remember hurricane Hugo. llmart Oct 6 #8
No words Pacifist Patriot Oct 6 #18
Another Perspective modrepub Oct 6 #9
You may not be aware that the worst hit area from Helene was 600 miles away. yardwork Oct 6 #12
Mountains Are Extremely Flood Prone modrepub Oct 6 #15
Your take on this is not helpful. yardwork Oct 6 #23
Respect the floodplain!! MyMission Oct 6 #54
Good advice soandso Oct 6 #57
It may have been like a Tsunami DENVERPOPS Oct 6 #30
Your facts are wrong in several places. yardwork Oct 6 #34
Thank you DENVERPOPS Oct 6 #37
The rest of your post is mostly opinion yardwork Oct 6 #39
New article from AP DENVERPOPS Oct 6 #51
I didn't see a link in your post. yardwork Oct 6 #53
Go to DENVERPOPS Oct 6 #55
I know. I'm in Durham, NC and my son lives in Asheville. yardwork Oct 6 #58
Asheville is the largest city in this region of NC MyMission Oct 7 #63
A great OP malaise Oct 6 #11
What about if DownriverDem Oct 6 #14
Everyone should make decisions based on their own circumstances and needs. Pacifist Patriot Oct 6 #20
The lies are working - they're turning us against one another. yardwork Oct 6 #25
True. Every region on earth has its climate hazzards. wnylib Oct 6 #44
I remember that bomb cyclone blizzard. yardwork Oct 6 #59
I am near Buffalo, but far enough inland wnylib Oct 6 #60
where should people move to avoid natural disasters?? cally Oct 6 #45
Bravo! Life is NOT a movie! Girard442 Oct 6 #19
KnR. n/t iluvtennis Oct 6 #21
Thanks for this post, Pacifist Patriot. This is so important for people to understand. BComplex Oct 6 #24
It's been almost twenty years since I've been on the ground as a relief worker. Pacifist Patriot Oct 6 #26
My most intense experience in a hurricane was in 1966, the year we lived on Key Biscayne across the causeway from Martin68 Oct 6 #27
The news never mentions the stench. So many Florida homes have septic tanks, Native Oct 6 #31
That, rotting garbage, molding plywood, people unable to bathe, decaying flora and fauna..it's bad. Pacifist Patriot Oct 6 #32
To say nothing of the DENVERPOPS Oct 6 #38
Alicia taught me some lessons. ananda Oct 6 #33
I always say that as far as a fun and exciting experience is concerned... Towlie Oct 6 #35
Living through a hurricane or even a strong tropical storm is no fun LetMyPeopleVote Oct 6 #36
Thank you Wild blueberry Oct 6 #40
KNR plus a gazillion. THANK YOU!!! niyad Oct 6 #42
Thank you. PTSD after a disaster, natural or otherwise, is real. CDC has a national Disaster Distress Helpline, Timeflyer Oct 6 #43
Wonderful post soandso Oct 6 #47
Thank you for the very analytical write-up of the impact of a hurricane. Very graphic and informative. SWBTATTReg Oct 6 #52
During Hurricane Harvey I had a family member say - "just leave now" TBF Oct 6 #56
Thank you for posting this Lulu KC Oct 6 #61
This is what we needed to read Mira Oct 6 #62
That's a great and timely post PP canetoad Oct 7 #65
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