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tulipsandroses

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66. The blame belongs to republicans. Not medical providers. You can't provide care that is unlawful -
Wed Oct 30, 2024, 10:58 AM
Oct 2024

Aside from the potential real legal ramifications. Just like your car insurance - malpractice insurance does not cover unlawful acts.
If you are doing donuts and speed racing and crash into someone - your auto insurance will not cover your damage, protect you from the other person suing you while the accident occurred while you were doing something illegal.
These laws were purposefully made to put fear in medical providers. Some of these laws are not clear enough about what is permissible and what is not. Every hospital has a legal department, if the legal department interprets the law to tell you that it is not permissible - then its not that simple for any medical provider to just ignore and just do what they want to. Who protects the providers? And keep in mind that we are talking about entire teams, not just a doctor, the nurses, anesthesiologists, even the low wage patient care tech checking blood pressure, required to care for the patient. Does the doctor that wants to do the procedure, despite what Greg Abbot and the hospital legal department says, force the nurses and patient care techs to join him? Does he attempt to do it all by him/herself if he can't convince those who may be scared of going to jail or being sued to join him? How does he/she convince a PCT that might be making $10 per hour to risk being sued or worse?

They have put the entire health care team in a no win situation - The fault squarely belongs with republicans who ripped away the rights of women. Health care providers are humans like the rest of us, they have children, spouses and families that depend on them. Asking them to risk their freedom, and security of their families is asking for a lot. It's the laws that need to change. Its republicans hell bent on controlling women that need to change.

When it's all said and done, there will be many women who have lost their lives. Many broken families. And yes, even broken health care providers. It's tough when you lose a patient. Its traumatic. Many providers get depressed, question themselves, even when it's not their fault. Providers are leaving states with some of these draconian laws. That puts the healthcare of all at risk. We already have a shortage of health care providers in this country. Many towns without OB GYNS, that will get worse. The maternal mortality rate will get worse. When it comes to high risk pregnancies, how many providers will want to continue to do that work?

The government and republicans need to stay out of healthcare decisions. Stop tying the hands of providers who want to provide care that patients need.

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You GD (mostly old ignorant as hell white) men DID this. May they rot in a hell of their own making. hlthe2b Oct 2024 #1
Men and Women DID THIS!!! atreides1 Oct 2024 #28
I said mostly. If you identify with those MOSTLY old ignorant male legislators who did this then hlthe2b Oct 2024 #30
No, you said men did it. Gary 50 Oct 2024 #85
Are. You unable to read the word "mostly." Maybe your screen needs to be replaced hlthe2b Oct 2024 #91
People who vote Republican did this Jerry2144 Oct 2024 #51
Yes! Rebl2 Oct 2024 #53
Especially Paxton. ShazzieB Oct 2024 #72
Don't blame only the men Dem4life1234 Oct 2024 #76
When i lost our twins JustAnotherGen Oct 2024 #2
Ohhh. Reading that is wrenching. Thank you for your courage in speaking out, though, JustAnotherGen. hlthe2b Oct 2024 #41
Thank you. JustAnotherGen Oct 2024 #79
That makes sense. sheshe2 Oct 2024 #104
He's bananas! JustAnotherGen Oct 2024 #108
I am so very sorry for your loss, JAG. sheshe2 Oct 2024 #105
Good god... W_HAMILTON Oct 2024 #3
Fucking pure evil what Trump did to that poor woman and her family. SunSeeker Oct 2024 #4
I'm Amazed Each And Every Day That The Texas Capital Building Is Not Enshrouded In Pink Clouds Of Mist MayReasonRule Oct 2024 #24
Horrible. This is the America we now live in. Doodley Oct 2024 #5
our country is starting to feel very third world 4catsmom Oct 2024 #89
Josseli Barnica is going to the polls this year to help both men and women do the right thing. Just like Botany Oct 2024 #6
Calling Texas barracuda lawyers! raccoon Oct 2024 #7
I don't know what is meant by "barracuda lawyer" but I think there's a lawsuit here. TomSlick Oct 2024 #95
IMO, Rs made a big mistake messing with Texas women Deminpenn Oct 2024 #8
I've seen a few broken families speak, but where are the women of Texas? Where are the protests? Maru Kitteh Oct 2024 #47
Silence means approval ArkansasDemocrat1 Oct 2024 #61
Or fear Hekate Oct 2024 #80
Murder Godot51 Oct 2024 #9
Exactly! sarchasm Oct 2024 #11
I wonder, if someone were to be charged for her death: ecstatic Oct 2024 #20
Yes all of the above KS Toronado Oct 2024 #25
KEN PAXTON AND GREG ABBOTT! Jilly_in_VA Oct 2024 #55
both need to stop processing oxygen verargert Oct 2024 #87
Wasting O2 is more like it! Jilly_in_VA Oct 2024 #97
It is not the doctor's fault-they are threatened with loss of license and jail time Stargazer99 Oct 2024 #59
Solution DENVERPOPS Oct 2024 #93
The blame belongs to republicans. Not medical providers. You can't provide care that is unlawful - tulipsandroses Oct 2024 #66
This, thank you Hekate Oct 2024 #81
Charge them all as accessories dickthegrouch Oct 2024 #74
Paxton especially. He'll rot in Hell when he gets there. Jmb 4 Harris-Walz Oct 2024 #75
Murder by Christofascist state government. dchill Oct 2024 #102
Now *this* is murder. Abortion saves the only lives that matter. Solly Mack Oct 2024 #10
To the government officials in Texas Roxi Oct 2024 #13
Not just Texas. Solly Mack Oct 2024 #14
A few years ago Roxi Oct 2024 #16
We have been underestimated for far too long. Solly Mack Oct 2024 #21
Yes, we have! Roxi Oct 2024 #48
I hope so. Solly Mack Oct 2024 #54
I try to be a good person Roxi Oct 2024 #12
Simply awful. I hope more people come forward ecstatic Oct 2024 #15
Hippocratic oath becomes hypocritical oath? Magoo48 Oct 2024 #17
There is no force of law behind the oath. bottomofthehill Oct 2024 #23
Yeah it doesn't work that way. I'm a nurse. I can't help people if I'm jailed. Same with the docs. Maru Kitteh Oct 2024 #49
Agreed. I'm a nurse practitioner. It seems simple from the outside. But you can't provide care that is not legal tulipsandroses Oct 2024 #70
It's hard to blame the doctors Roxi Oct 2024 #50
I don't blame doctors at all. Magoo48 Oct 2024 #68
Terrible, horrific, tragic, and unnecessary surfered Oct 2024 #18
The christian extremists have normalized this outcome just as jeebus would have done wolfie001 Oct 2024 #19
It's.... MarcoZandrini Oct 2024 #22
It's more than than Texas, bub. marble falls Oct 2024 #27
A respectful "this could be your daughter, your sister, your friend, your cousin ... you" ad would be apt and effective. marble falls Oct 2024 #26
Sue the legislature and Governor for practicing medicine without a license. Freethinker65 Oct 2024 #29
So fucking barbaric Horse with no Name Oct 2024 #31
One more thing: ecstatic Oct 2024 #32
Welcome to Texas under the white Evangelical Taliban. Lonestarblue Oct 2024 #33
They are actually Christian and erasing that erases the role Christianity can play in our society. Calling them a WhiskeyGrinder Oct 2024 #36
I may be agnostic, but I would defend only to the extent that it is a bastardized form of Christianity... hlthe2b Oct 2024 #43
There are many, many interpretations of Christ's teachings. Some of those who protest outside of abortion clinics say WhiskeyGrinder Oct 2024 #44
As there are interpretations of Islam. As one who has worked extensively in the Middle East, I found it fascinating hlthe2b Oct 2024 #46
I am a Christian and agree whole heartly with this possible agnostic Stargazer99 Oct 2024 #60
If they aren't Christians, what are they? Mariana Oct 2024 #52
Women haters and murderers - that describes the people in power in these reich wing states. lark Oct 2024 #34
She should have taken a chill pill and had a good laugh. NT mahatmakanejeeves Oct 2024 #35
I don't understand the date. Sept. 3, 2021? Jeebo Oct 2024 #37
People died under Roe too. Which is why "going back to Roe" isn't ideal. WhiskeyGrinder Oct 2024 #45
I will bet fewer women died under Roe-so don't try to make it not matter Stargazer99 Oct 2024 #62
Oh it definitely matters -- it's something people should refuse to settle for as we move forward. WhiskeyGrinder Oct 2024 #71
And why wasn't this public during the Dobbs case? LeftInTX Oct 2024 #69
Why are we not calling this MURDER? dmr Oct 2024 #38
Texas, this is unacceptable ck4829 Oct 2024 #39
That could have been my wife. Happy Hoosier Oct 2024 #40
Gawd damn 3auld6phart Oct 2024 #42
Giving care to her would have endangered doctor's license and threaten jail time-that should never have Stargazer99 Oct 2024 #64
Sue the hospital, doctors, and everyone responsible for this. Liberty Belle Oct 2024 #56
Dear Goddess claudette Oct 2024 #57
This could have been me in GA some years ago. Demsrule86 Oct 2024 #58
Sorry to hear of this pfitz59 Oct 2024 #92
Honestly, I still tear up when discussing it. I had no idea before this happened to me Demsrule86 Oct 2024 #109
This message was self-deleted by its author ArkansasDemocrat1 Oct 2024 #63
What does that mean? When you miscarry there is no other life at stake other than the Demsrule86 Oct 2024 #65
You damn right! Especially if your religious belief doesn't require to flirt with death of a living person Stargazer99 Oct 2024 #67
I rec'd your original post and absolutely agree. REC Demsrule86 Oct 2024 #73
Beyond horrible DRump and his deplorable Republicans are responsible for these deaths TommieMommy Oct 2024 #77
Texas citizens should force a recall of Abbott -- he needs to be thrown out of office. I was watching a barber on TV Jmb 4 Harris-Walz Oct 2024 #78
Horrific & unjust on so many levels. Dark n Stormy Knight Oct 2024 #82
How many people have the rightwing nazis murdered? Gary 50 Oct 2024 #83
Kick dalton99a Oct 2024 #84
Paxton and Abbott need to die on spikes, with all their associates ! verargert Oct 2024 #86
I would sue the crap out of Abbott et al. 4catsmom Oct 2024 #88
Murder by depraved indifference to human life. Every Republican who voted for this is guilty. Hermit-The-Prog Oct 2024 #90
Josseli Clouds Passing Oct 2024 #94
Women: the Throwaway Gender. calimary Oct 2024 #96
Time to start suing these hospitals. oldsoftie Oct 2024 #98
"Blessed Be The Fruit" Montauk6 Oct 2024 #99
May all involved in this horrendous, hate-filled attack on women niyad Oct 2024 #100
Sure, there are wmen who have voted for Republicans. There have been some - soldierant Oct 2024 #101
oops. oh well. she's black. pansypoo53219 Oct 2024 #103
What is happening to women in these States IS Hideous... electric_blue68 Oct 2024 #106
Congratulations to all the "pro-life" assholes responsible for this. eShirl Oct 2024 #107
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