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Self Esteem

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15. The significance does depend on what we're talking about.

Reply to Lysol2020 (Reply #6)

Tue Nov 5, 2024, 12:14 PM

Nov 5

Turnout in 2016 was up in Trump counties than Clinton counties. One could just look at the blanket idea that turnout is up and think that's good for Dems.

But not always.

In 2016, turnout in Pennsylvania was up nearly four points over 2012, an election Obama won the state fairly comfortably.

Yet Trump won in 2016 with higher turnout.

Four years later, turnout was up 5 and he lost barely.

It all depends where that surge in turnout is coming from.

In 2020, Biden actually did worse percentage wise than Hillary in Philadelphia but netted more voters because turnout was higher there than in 2016.

If this person is in a county that Trump won by 40 points in 2020, higher turnout could hurt Democrats, especially if that turnout isn't being seen in Philadelphia or Pittsburgh.

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PA News Update [View all] H2O Man Nov 5 OP

In PA as well... berksdem Nov 5 #1

The significance of this depends on where in PA MadameButterfly Nov 5 #2

Not really Lysol2020 Nov 5 #6

The significance does depend on what we're talking about. Self Esteem Nov 5 #15

The counties that Trump won by huge 40% margins are all low population counties Wiz Imp Nov 5 #48

I just showed how it could "hurt". Self Esteem Nov 5 #50

You apparently missed the part where these counties have very few people in them Wiz Imp Nov 5 #61

Turnout was up in 2016 compared to 2012 in PA. Self Esteem Nov 5 #66

My point is that if there are only 5 MAGA hats out of hundreds of voters MadameButterfly Nov 5 #72

Kamala kicking ass in PA! oasis Nov 5 #3

However.... JustBeGood Nov 5 #4

they arent supposed to jcgoldie Nov 5 #9

Good question! H2O Man Nov 5 #10

They can wear it, but not inside the poll Deminpenn Nov 5 #14

Except it's not enforced spinbaby Nov 5 #38

I Thought That RobinA Nov 5 #16

I wore my "Bernie '16" tee shirt to early vote in New Smyrna Beach, FL... rubbersole Nov 5 #21

Doesn't that depend on the state rules? n/t FSogol Nov 5 #26

Technically you are right. We would make them leave, take it off or turn it inside out, then they could return and vote appleannie1 Nov 5 #30

Was told it was ok as long as it didn't name a candidate or party unweird Nov 5 #32

I just wore blue from head to toe today Tarc Nov 5 #36

"Five were wearing maga hats." Wednesdays Nov 5 #5

It varies by state and PA allows political attire. W_HAMILTON Nov 5 #17

Typical for PA ... sloppy governance, too trusting in these times Dock_Yard Nov 5 #49

Hey now BlueInPhilly Nov 5 #57

I've visited PA enough over 7 decades ... Dock_Yard Nov 5 #67

They are irrelevant BlueInPhilly Nov 5 #73

Rec. Rec. Rec malaise Nov 5 #7

Daughter voted this morning gab13by13 Nov 5 #8

That last point is somewhat meaningless... regnaD kciN Nov 5 #34

Having a global pandemic will result in that. jimfields33 Nov 5 #63

That's encouraging Saoirse9 Nov 5 #11

I've got most H2O Man Nov 5 #41

I sure hope that means Saoirse9 Nov 5 #44

Could be that they want people to forget OnDoutside Nov 5 #59

I don't know about PA, but we can now wear our MAGA hats in OH while voting, LisaL Nov 5 #12

That may be because wearing any campaign literature/symbols is illegal when you vote Polybius Nov 5 #13

Not true. W_HAMILTON Nov 5 #18

Wow, that's crazy Polybius Nov 5 #20

There are actually surprisingly few Federal voting laws. The States keep a tight grip on them. n/t malthaussen Nov 5 #23

Sadly, there seems to be many place where you can. Xavier Breath Nov 5 #37

My wife voted this morning in heavily Republican Dover Township, York County galapagos Nov 5 #19

How is Philly area kansasobama Nov 5 #22

I'm waiting to H2O Man Nov 5 #39

Can't verify this, but, on Threads... regnaD kciN Nov 5 #53

Love it. Passages Nov 5 #24

Come on PA! Let's do this! Initech Nov 5 #25

What part of PA? RandySF Nov 5 #27

Northeast. H2O Man Nov 5 #40

My spouse is a ballot clerk in my NH town. Voltaire2 Nov 5 #28

Turnout Metaphorical Nov 5 #29

Reporting from a Chester County precinct SallyHemmings Nov 5 #31

First time to actually have to wait to vote unweird Nov 5 #33

I live in Ohio and haven't seen a MAGA hat except once in 3 to 4 months Bluejeans Nov 5 #35

Just got a spam text for $20 pleading for money (for "Harris" )because it looks like Trump has won PA already. Freethinker65 Nov 5 #42

I am in Philly BumRushDaShow Nov 5 #43

Delco!!!!! SallyHemmings Nov 5 #52

I did finally turn on the radio about 15 minutes ago (KYW) BumRushDaShow Nov 5 #55

Kudos to this gentleman DaBronx Nov 5 #56

Where we vote a MAGA hat wouldn't be allowed. No kind of political statement can be worn. nt LAS14 Nov 5 #45

In most cases Election Day turnout trends Republican. hay rick Nov 5 #46

Some early Butler, PA Return Rate Voter Mailings - Very Red Area MartyTheGreek Nov 5 #47

Philly turnout from 2 voters Oldiebutgoodie Nov 5 #54

K&R spanone Nov 5 #51

I thought political apparel was prohibited? soandso Nov 5 #58

Niece is texting me right now (she is a freshman at Temple U in Philly) BumRushDaShow Nov 5 #60

MSNBC Homoudont Nov 5 #62

There may be multiple Divisions (precincts) there in the area BumRushDaShow Nov 5 #64

Paul Rudd (sP) Homoudont Nov 5 #65

Some of the polling divisions around the city BumRushDaShow Nov 5 #70

Villanova Homoudont Nov 5 #71

Westmoreland county PA Democratnik Nov 5 #68

WOW, that's really fantastic! Only 5? Amazing! liberalla Nov 5 #69

Thank you for this H2Oman!!! mahina Nov 6 #74