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Self Esteem

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50. I just showed how it could "hurt".

Tue Nov 5, 2024, 04:10 PM

Nov 2024

The best example is 2016 and 2020. Hillary did better than Biden in Philadelphia in terms of overall percentages but turnout was higher in Philadelphia than it was in 2016 so Biden actually netted more votes.

Moreover, turnout was higher in 2016 in Pennsylvania than 2012. Did that higher turnout help Hillary more than the lower turnout supposedly hurt Obama in 2012?

That's why the where matters the most.

Turnout was up in 2016 vs 2012 but not up in the places Hillary needed it.

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PA News Update [View all] H2O Man Nov 2024 OP

In PA as well... berksdem Nov 2024 #1

The significance of this depends on where in PA MadameButterfly Nov 2024 #2

Not really Lysol2020 Nov 2024 #6

The significance does depend on what we're talking about. Self Esteem Nov 2024 #15

The counties that Trump won by huge 40% margins are all low population counties Wiz Imp Nov 2024 #48

I just showed how it could "hurt". Self Esteem Nov 2024 #50

You apparently missed the part where these counties have very few people in them Wiz Imp Nov 2024 #61

Turnout was up in 2016 compared to 2012 in PA. Self Esteem Nov 2024 #66

My point is that if there are only 5 MAGA hats out of hundreds of voters MadameButterfly Nov 2024 #72

Kamala kicking ass in PA! oasis Nov 2024 #3

However.... JustBeGood Nov 2024 #4

they arent supposed to jcgoldie Nov 2024 #9

Good question! H2O Man Nov 2024 #10

They can wear it, but not inside the poll Deminpenn Nov 2024 #14

Except it's not enforced spinbaby Nov 2024 #38

I Thought That RobinA Nov 2024 #16

I wore my "Bernie '16" tee shirt to early vote in New Smyrna Beach, FL... rubbersole Nov 2024 #21

Doesn't that depend on the state rules? n/t FSogol Nov 2024 #26

Technically you are right. We would make them leave, take it off or turn it inside out, then they could return and vote appleannie1 Nov 2024 #30

Was told it was ok as long as it didn't name a candidate or party unweird Nov 2024 #32

I just wore blue from head to toe today Tarc Nov 2024 #36

"Five were wearing maga hats." Wednesdays Nov 2024 #5

It varies by state and PA allows political attire. W_HAMILTON Nov 2024 #17

Typical for PA ... sloppy governance, too trusting in these times Dock_Yard Nov 2024 #49

Hey now BlueInPhilly Nov 2024 #57

I've visited PA enough over 7 decades ... Dock_Yard Nov 2024 #67

They are irrelevant BlueInPhilly Nov 2024 #73

Rec. Rec. Rec malaise Nov 2024 #7

Daughter voted this morning gab13by13 Nov 2024 #8

That last point is somewhat meaningless... regnaD kciN Nov 2024 #34

Having a global pandemic will result in that. jimfields33 Nov 2024 #63

That's encouraging Saoirse9 Nov 2024 #11

I've got most H2O Man Nov 2024 #41

I sure hope that means Saoirse9 Nov 2024 #44

Could be that they want people to forget OnDoutside Nov 2024 #59

I don't know about PA, but we can now wear our MAGA hats in OH while voting, LisaL Nov 2024 #12

That may be because wearing any campaign literature/symbols is illegal when you vote Polybius Nov 2024 #13

Not true. W_HAMILTON Nov 2024 #18

Wow, that's crazy Polybius Nov 2024 #20

There are actually surprisingly few Federal voting laws. The States keep a tight grip on them. n/t malthaussen Nov 2024 #23

Sadly, there seems to be many place where you can. Xavier Breath Nov 2024 #37

My wife voted this morning in heavily Republican Dover Township, York County galapagos Nov 2024 #19

How is Philly area kansasobama Nov 2024 #22

I'm waiting to H2O Man Nov 2024 #39

Can't verify this, but, on Threads... regnaD kciN Nov 2024 #53

Love it. Passages Nov 2024 #24

Come on PA! Let's do this! Initech Nov 2024 #25

What part of PA? RandySF Nov 2024 #27

Northeast. H2O Man Nov 2024 #40

My spouse is a ballot clerk in my NH town. Voltaire2 Nov 2024 #28

Turnout Metaphorical Nov 2024 #29

Reporting from a Chester County precinct SallyHemmings Nov 2024 #31

First time to actually have to wait to vote unweird Nov 2024 #33

I live in Ohio and haven't seen a MAGA hat except once in 3 to 4 months Bluejeans Nov 2024 #35

Just got a spam text for $20 pleading for money (for "Harris" )because it looks like Trump has won PA already. Freethinker65 Nov 2024 #42

I am in Philly BumRushDaShow Nov 2024 #43

Delco!!!!! SallyHemmings Nov 2024 #52

I did finally turn on the radio about 15 minutes ago (KYW) BumRushDaShow Nov 2024 #55

Kudos to this gentleman DaBronx Nov 2024 #56

Where we vote a MAGA hat wouldn't be allowed. No kind of political statement can be worn. nt LAS14 Nov 2024 #45

In most cases Election Day turnout trends Republican. hay rick Nov 2024 #46

Some early Butler, PA Return Rate Voter Mailings - Very Red Area MartyTheGreek Nov 2024 #47

Philly turnout from 2 voters Oldiebutgoodie Nov 2024 #54

K&R spanone Nov 2024 #51

I thought political apparel was prohibited? soandso Nov 2024 #58

Niece is texting me right now (she is a freshman at Temple U in Philly) BumRushDaShow Nov 2024 #60

MSNBC Homoudont Nov 2024 #62

There may be multiple Divisions (precincts) there in the area BumRushDaShow Nov 2024 #64

Paul Rudd (sP) Homoudont Nov 2024 #65

Some of the polling divisions around the city BumRushDaShow Nov 2024 #70

Villanova Homoudont Nov 2024 #71

Westmoreland county PA Democratnik Nov 2024 #68

WOW, that's really fantastic! Only 5? Amazing! liberalla Nov 2024 #69

Thank you for this H2Oman!!! mahina Nov 2024 #74