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In reply to the discussion: Add my "what went wrong" take to the pile [View all]dgauss
(1,291 posts)5. Agree completely. Here is Rove(?) spelling it out explicitly 20 years ago.
Things will just get worse until we figure out how to combat this:
In October 2004, journalist Ron Suskind wrote a first-person article for The New York Times about the presidency of 43rd U.S. President George W. Bush, in which he included a grandiose quote from someone described only as a "senior adviser to Bush."
Many have assumed the comment was made by Bush political adviser Karl Rove, though there isn't any publicly available evidence to that effect. Here is what Suskind wrote:
The aide said that guys like me were "in what we call the reality-based community," which he defined as people who "believe that solutions emerge from your judicious study of discernible reality." I nodded and murmured something about enlightenment principles and empiricism. He cut me off. "That's not the way the world really works anymore," he continued. "We're an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you're studying that reality -- judiciously, as you will -- we'll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that's how things will sort out. We're history's actors . . . and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do."
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/karl-rove-empire/
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Rove was also author Redmap, the Republican Party plan to use gerrymandering for permanent control of government.
Lonestarblue
Nov 2024
#64
I definitely agree that curated spaces and echo chambers have contributed to her loss.
orange jar
Nov 2024
#6
& it's reached almost insurmountable proportions. According to canvassers, the misinformation this election was insane,
Native
Nov 2024
#18
I don't know about that. A lot of people are saying it's pandered too much to the left/progressives of the party.
Native
Nov 2024
#29
sure, i cant remember them all, but one for sure that was mentioned was the transgender surgeries for inmates.
Native
Nov 2024
#93
She REALLY should have hit-back on the transgender "prison surgery" thing,
Jack Valentino
Nov 2024
#134
When Biden made sure they got COVID relief funds, he should have put his name on it like Trump did.
summer_in_TX
Nov 2024
#119
Those differences in voting by income are all small. It's not a big factor.
muriel_volestrangler
Nov 2024
#123
I think the income voting differences are mostly related to education (which trends to result in higher income),
deurbano
Nov 2024
#145
The signs were there. Biden has been a great president. The economy is doing great. Yet most people don't agree.
Doodley
Nov 2024
#8
I'm sure it did. It was an important part of their campaign. Our household of two received a dozen direct mail
Doodley
Nov 2024
#15
If a supernatural being saved Trump from death, it was LUCIFER and not God.
Jack Valentino
Nov 2024
#136
And yet, the Dems didn't continually publish the positive news, buy ads, etc. That's on us.
SharonAnn
Nov 2024
#17
Good point. Trump maximized the racist, homophobic, transphobic, mysogynist vote. Kamala had to overcome that.
Doodley
Nov 2024
#13
Along those same lines people expected prices to actually drop to pre-Covid levels
groundloop
Nov 2024
#38
Finally, someone explaining how targeting works. We're an old group and very defensive to boot. Explanations like this
Native
Nov 2024
#16
If no one's told you lately that you're a genius, EarlG, elbow them in the ribs (gently but definitely).
jaxexpat
Nov 2024
#19
Earl, what about a small siloed section of DU where the rules are relaxed somewhat?
intrepidity
Nov 2024
#160
We just got some stunning family news from some in-laws: almost the whole younger gen voted Trump
Hekate
Nov 2024
#33
My Wife and I have been discussing this exactly as you have described for a couple of days now. I agree completely with
marked50
Nov 2024
#46
The TOP (Trump's Oleaginous Party) can't help but fuck with Social Security and Obamacare.
LudwigPastorius
Nov 2024
#49
I agree with your analysis. I still believe that racism and sexism played a role but so did social media
tulipsandroses
Nov 2024
#54
For me, to break through the information bubble, it came down to critical thinking (education)
ffr
Nov 2024
#59
I agree, EarlG. I've seen discussions of this on Twitter. From Asha Rangappa this morning:
highplainsdem
Nov 2024
#85
Thought-provoking OP. I still think we've got a lot of folks who just won't vote for a woman,
TBF
Nov 2024
#87
Read a great thread by a Brit about the analogies to Brexit on Twitter today.
summer_in_TX
Nov 2024
#116
The incremental, stealth takeover by oligarchs is now open and in its final race to the finish line.
Hermit-The-Prog
Nov 2024
#117
All incumbents across the world have lost vote share. The Biden to Harris loss was one of the smallest.
muriel_volestrangler
Nov 2024
#124
"Algorithmic microtargeting". Yes. The microtargeting supports Inconsistent views and helps to dissuade real-life convos
lostnfound
Nov 2024
#125
If buyer's remorse doesn't set in over the next 4 years for a significant number of people who voted for Trump,
Martin68
Nov 2024
#139
People here keep thinking we'll have free and fair elections that will be winnable in 2026 and 2028.
Efilroft Sul
Nov 2024
#140
We're in for scary times, and the old rules -- the old laws -- won't necessarily be applicable any more.
Efilroft Sul
Nov 2024
#147
YES. We hit 1% with volunteers once in 6 months. They hit 90% twice a day -- at least.
Festivito
Nov 2024
#148
Mis and disinformation coupled with lack of perspective is huge. But this was a change election.
andym
Nov 2024
#150
A tech perspective. Great points. It seems like an application of the Facebook effect in 2016
underpants
Nov 2024
#152
People almost always bleme the Executive branch for their troubles and complaints.
Ping Tung
Nov 2024
#156
I just had a technician tell me Trump would stop the wars because he was strong
True Blue American
Nov 2024
#165