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37. Actually it's about being the change candidate under periods of perceived economic uncertainty

Fri Nov 8, 2024, 01:26 AM

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Trump is synonymous with extreme change and chaos-- that's why no Republican could beat him and why during a period of economic uncertainty and anxiety according to poll after poll this Spring, Summer and Fall, Trump was doing well-- surprisingly it's his very volatility and insanity that won him votes from a majority of voters. Trump out polled Joe throughout the year, and only fell behind Kamala in the polls for about 6-8 weeks when she was the new minted candidate and potentially a "change" candidate herself.

Trump and Vance made a big deal of painting Kamala as the establishment, "same old, same old" candidate-- trying to pin Biden's low favorabiity (40%) on her and it worked. That's why they kept asking how come she didn't already fix the economy-- very unfair because a VP is not the President. The only way she might have overcome being painted as a continuation of Joe would have been to come out with a very ambitious and new economic plan that sounded different from just being an evolution of Joe's plan and shout out that she is her own person with her own vision.

Still she out polled Joe against Trump this year and did better than Joe, a white man, would have based on polling data which belies the argument put forth in the OP-- that doesn't mean there isn't misogyny and racism that hurt her chances, just that there were other factors that loomed larger.

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So many of us continue to live in denial... [View all] appmanga Nov 7 OP

Nikki Haley said it in a debate. onecaliberal Nov 7 #1

"Biden's age" was the proxy for ... Bluetus Nov 7 #2

yet "that black lady who takes over if he dies" was also true in 2020 when he beat Trump. thesquanderer Nov 8 #38

That is a good point, for those who have some knowledge of the democratic process Bluetus Nov 8 #74

The pandemic was a huge factor in 2020, I think. CrispyQ Nov 22 #77

I don't recall the nonstop coverage of Biden's age in 2020 dpibel Nov 22 #83

The winner. People don't have to tell the truth when asked - and they don't. harumph Nov 7 #3

Considering her position on July 21st, I think they ran a great campaign Jarqui Nov 8 #30

I assumed women would carry Kamala to victory Kaleva Nov 8 #35

As a white female voter cannabis_flower Nov 8 #42

Don't fall for the "price of eggs" bullshit. People are doing very well in this economy Yavin4 Nov 8 #69

And a majority of adults are overweight Kaleva Nov 8 #72

Wow serbbral Nov 22 #84

Apparently stories about repub women being angry about Roe were overblown. ??? CrispyQ Nov 22 #78

I think it was a combo of factors. Elessar Zappa Nov 7 #4

It really wasn't. It was all about the GOP getting the MRA and incel vote via social media. valleyrogue Nov 8 #12

Gen Z moved towards President Trump, moreso men but women as well as compared to those that supported kelly1mm Nov 8 #28

once again Skittles Nov 8 #14

Yes, it should be obvious. Elessar Zappa Nov 8 #15

THAT is what all of us with critical thinking skills can agree on Skittles Nov 8 #17

We could have acknowledged it more instead of saying it was better and just in peoples minds that things were bad, Pisces Nov 8 #32

So do they think grocery prices are going to come down now. Trump cares about your grocery prices? Walleye Nov 8 #56

Lets assume this is true for arguments sale. Lets ALSO look at Gen Z voters moving towards kelly1mm Nov 8 #5

Joe Biden had a 39% to 41% approval ratining in exit polls. DemocratSinceBirth Nov 8 #6

Except, you know, Bush Jr., who, by 2004, had dismal approval ratings asm128 Nov 8 #9

His appoval ratings in November of 2004 hovered around fifty percent. DemocratSinceBirth Nov 8 #11

yup Skittles Nov 8 #18

In the immediate aftermath of the attack it hit 90% in Gallup. DemocratSinceBirth Nov 8 #22

that made me sick Skittles Nov 8 #25

people are so freaking gullible ---This is our main problem. CrispyQ Nov 22 #80

omg Skittles Nov 22 #82

Nonsense. Knuckledraggers would have run to vote Sarah Palin leftstreet Nov 8 #7

People forget Barack Obama won twice. DemocratSinceBirth Nov 8 #8

he may have been the first black person to be president Skittles Nov 8 #19

Skittles DemocratSinceBirth Nov 8 #21

That's preposterously naive and out of touch Orrex Nov 8 #24

No incumbent president DemocratSinceBirth Nov 8 #31

what you are forgetting Skittles Nov 8 #41

WOW, DSB! This: calimary Nov 8 #45

what have repukes EVER done to make their lives better? Skittles Nov 8 #49

How many of those incumbents were black women? Orrex Nov 8 #61

"Who got me a cheaper bag of Doritos?" Yeah, it was that Adolf guy... Jack Valentino Nov 8 #70

bullshit Skittles Nov 8 #26

Obama was the first president to utilize the internet in a campaign tulipsandroses Nov 8 #40

Remember in a speech Obama gave, sometime after Trump was prez, CrispyQ Nov 22 #81

Not true. If it were true, why wasn't Nikki Haley the nominee? valleyrogue Nov 8 #13

Denial is one of the 5 stages of grief Blue_Roses Nov 8 #10

Good reminder, Blue_Roses. calimary Nov 8 #47

We sure do. But, right now Blue_Roses Nov 8 #50

I believe you, my friend. calimary Nov 8 #52

What did the Republicans do right? tenderfoot Nov 8 #16

They didn't run a black woman with a 2 month campaign, Pisces Nov 8 #34

Bingo! nt cannabis_flower Nov 8 #44

That's pretty harsh Blue_Roses Nov 8 #51

She lost ground in every demographic save one Ontheboundry Nov 8 #65

A 2 month campaign did her in. We needed a primary from the very beginning. Our blind spot was how Pisces Nov 8 #73

One thing trump.does well Ontheboundry Nov 8 #54

The best time to attack someone who's traumatized is while the trauma is still ongoing Orrex Nov 8 #20

If YOU feel attacked, you're missing the point... appmanga Nov 8 #62

The attacks are upon people feeling shattered by the election Orrex Nov 8 #63

I appreciate critques and answers now, just take a break if you can't stand the heat Beringia Nov 8 #66

See, even that framing is adversarial Orrex Nov 8 #68

What do you mean by "a stunning fashion" nilram Nov 8 #23

Casey Ontheboundry Nov 8 #64

How many of us on DU are still working full time while trying to feed and clothe our kids? summer_in_TX Nov 8 #27

No, they are reckless, stupid, assholes they willfully put my ass and their's too in a sling. TheKentuckian Nov 8 #46

Of course Kamala and Joe were both lied about. markodochartaigh Nov 8 #29

I dearly hope that time is coming, my friend. calimary Nov 8 #48

Well said and when you hit the transgender moniss Nov 8 #33

Yup, and that is why the next and the next and the next BigmanPigman Nov 8 #36

When will another woman take a chance and run, when this is America Beringia Nov 8 #67

Actually it's about being the change candidate under periods of perceived economic uncertainty andym Nov 8 #37

Trump is responsible for the economic uncertainty and SammyWinstonJack Nov 8 #60

Ironic and tragic, but Trump is a troublemaker and will cause more pain. NT. andym Nov 8 #71

Except that 45% women and 45% of Latinos voted for Trump Pototan Nov 8 #39

Post removed Post removed Nov 8 #43

Hispanic men absolutely will.vote.for a woman Ontheboundry Nov 8 #53

The reasons you posit in your OP surely have validity True Dough Nov 8 #55

This is a breakdown Jen Taub on Mary Trump Media shared yesterday: madaboutharry Nov 8 #57

I know. LisaL Nov 8 #59

A seriously good OP malaise Nov 8 #58

I am late getting to this thread serbbral Nov 22 #75

And propaganda. Basso8vb Nov 22 #76

A woman lost twice to Trump. A Black woman lost once. usonian Nov 22 #79