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110. Agreed. Several of us here have been saying this since October 2023.

Sat Nov 9, 2024, 07:35 PM

Nov 9

The supposed "grass roots" pro-Palestinian protests that erupted the day after Hamas massacred and tortured Israelis were clearly coordinated and planned in advance. Identical talking points, emojis, and motifs spread through TikTok and Twitter instantly.

If the protests had truly been spontaneous, they would have varied by geography and group. They did not vary. All instantly jumped on Israel. Truly spontaneous outcries are more confused, diverse, and varied in focus.

Several of us noted this at the time. We've suspected since it happened that Russia and Iran were behind the Hamas attacks and the anti-Israel propaganda. They knew that Netanyahu would do what he did. They knew it would put Biden in an impossible position and hurt his campaign. It worked. The fact that Jill Stein was promoted as the 3rd party spoiler also points to Russia.

All undemocratic roads lead to Russia. The Road to Unfreedom.

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Muslim Exit Polls [View all] Pototan Nov 9 OP

But just knowing that help is on the way to civilians in Gaza and Lebanon is . . . hatrack Nov 9 #1

Dumb. Elessar Zappa Nov 9 #2

Trump planning several hotels in Israel. Spawn mentioned something about beachfront property. TheBlackAdder Nov 9 #21

This is likely why tfg hasn't signed the ethics agreement for a peaceful transition. He'll in2herbs Nov 9 #106

That's probably right but it doesn't make sense. TomSlick Nov 9 #112

Well, Linda ladeewolf Nov 9 #33

Post removed Post removed Nov 9 #3

For the life of me I can't understand why they didn't vote for us! Eko Nov 9 #90

Wait a minute Sundance1220 Nov 12 #186

I never said it was just the convention. Eko Nov 12 #221

Now say the same thing but about the Jewish people that didnt vote for us! Eko Nov 9 #114

We should have done more, sorry to say. We failed the Muslim-American community. ck4829 Nov 9 #4

"We" did not fail the Muslim-American community mcar Nov 9 #9

👍👍👍👍 PortTack Nov 9 #60

I believe the exact quote was "finish the job" lapfog_1 Nov 9 #70

He already was doing the genocide. Trump just wants him to finish it quickly. Cuthbert Allgood Nov 9 #116

Netanyahu has already done everything he wanted. AloeVera Nov 9 #80

They chose the weirdest way to vote their conscience. Beastly Boy Nov 9 #102

They voted based on their opposition to lgbt JI7 Nov 10 #146

While continuing to send the weapons the IDF uses in Gaza? Look I am actually semi-pro-Israel in this kelly1mm Nov 11 #176

Exactly! peggysue2 Nov 12 #206

Ya, why couldn't we figure out Pototan Nov 9 #12

Sadly, I cannot disagree with you Buckeyeblue Nov 9 #15

This is a very sad response formed in anger. Big Blue Marble Nov 9 #84

They fucking worked in direct contradiction to working to elect Democrats. Isn't that the fuck why we are here? SoFlaBro Nov 9 #87

Are not Democrats here to protect the vulnerable regardless of ethnicity? Big Blue Marble Nov 9 #88

That's why we fucking elect more and more Democrats. To fucking help people. SoFlaBro Nov 9 #95

Don't pull that race card with me Pototan Nov 9 #98

You're right, I have no fucking problem at all with them being Muslim These won't fucking help us as Democrats. SoFlaBro Nov 10 #167

You're ambivalent about them being fully genocided? AloeVera Nov 12 #207

The ambivalence likely comes with a fuller understanding what the term "genocide" actually means. Beastly Boy Nov 12 #217

They did the political equivalent of a suicide bomber attack TheKentuckian Nov 9 #101

***This is outrageous bigotry and racism.*** Duncan Grant Nov 10 #142

I don't understand what you're getting at here. SoFlaBro Nov 10 #166

When did white folks get a pass from me? TheKentuckian Nov 10 #169

I think we agree Pototan Nov 9 #86

Jewish Voters are mostly liberal. Muslims are mostly conservative JI7 Nov 10 #143

Then why shoould we support people who don't support us Pototan Nov 10 #157

So these conservative muslims voted for a Jewish liberal? Omnipresent Nov 10 #160

I think very few of us think Israel is innocent. Biophilic Nov 9 #13

Feel free to educate me as to when Sundance1220 Nov 12 #188

Where the heck in my post did you think I was a hamas supporter. Biophilic Nov 12 #191

I didn't call you a hamas supporter Sundance1220 Nov 12 #195

Because I wasn't talking about either bibi or hamas. Biophilic Nov 12 #197

You said Israel was Sundance1220 Nov 12 #213

Yes, I agree. Hamas does not want a ceasefire. Biophilic Nov 12 #215

Their leadership, the people Sundance1220 Nov 12 #222

I don't vote in Israel Pototan Nov 9 #14

Bullshit. yardwork Nov 9 #17

We could not have stopped Netanyahu or Israel karynnj Nov 9 #19

I can't square how "we failed the Muslim-America community" when the polls say they voted 3rd party and orange asshole NoSheep Nov 9 #42

Look at Gaza for a clue. AloeVera Nov 9 #85

They voted for Trump so obviosly their concern wasn't for Gaza JI7 Nov 10 #144

How does voting third party Sundance1220 Nov 12 #189

That is the wrong question imo. AloeVera Nov 12 #190

So your excuse is that they were acting irrationally. Beastly Boy Nov 12 #192

Hamas failed the Palestinians. If the Muslim-American community is basing RandomNumbers Nov 9 #50

Not to mention what number of the American Muslims protested Hamas evil actions? They celebrated instead.. EX500rider Nov 10 #136

Agreed...Democrats decided that a pro-Israel vote was more important Prairie Gates Nov 9 #78

So the community doesn't care about women EllieBC Nov 9 #93

Nope, they failed themselves by voting for candidates that dont give one fuck about Muslims unless they have money/oil Freethinker65 Nov 9 #132

Well, they sure showed us!!!! Happy Hoosier Nov 12 #185

How stupid Dem4life1234 Nov 9 #5

I think we will win the Senate race in Arizona, but that damn Green Party candidate got 2% of the vote, and it will be JohnSJ Nov 9 #10

So, they want Gaza to be turned into a parking lot? mcar Nov 9 #6

The anti Biden, evil West propaganda was all over the place, geared toward helping Trump. nt LexVegas Nov 9 #7

same here, I can hardly wait. JohnSJ Nov 9 #8

Well, I guess they sent a message. Liberal In Texas Nov 9 #11

Saw a Stein electronic billboard in Georgia "Stop the Genocide" underpants Nov 9 #16

Many Muslim voters are wealthy. yardwork Nov 9 #18

Who said they will be dported Pototan Nov 9 #24

Those data mix American Black Muslims with immigrant Muslims. yardwork Nov 9 #67

And a large group is being ignored. Mosby Nov 9 #71

Similarly, there is a misconception that Israelis are all European Jews. yardwork Nov 9 #75

Splitting hairs Pototan Nov 9 #74

It's not splitting hairs. yardwork Nov 9 #77

Oh, I see Pototan Nov 9 #97

Muslim Americans helped elect George Bush in 2000. Mosby Nov 9 #119

From your own posting Pototan Nov 9 #122

They switched back to the Democratic party Mosby Nov 9 #123

Stein, Chump, Putin...it all spends the same TheKentuckian Nov 11 #174

Well ... Dem4life1234 Nov 9 #45

I'm imagining Niemoller popping corn. WhiskeyGrinder Nov 9 #20

Wouldn't be surprised if he forcibly deports anyone of Palestinian descent regardless of citizenship... spudspud Nov 9 #22

They are celebrating and saying they don't have to worry about their son wearing a dress JI7 Nov 9 #23

A Muslim ban would still be wrong regardless of how Americans who practice Islam voted. Solly Mack Nov 9 #25

Agree, publicly. I thought this would be obvious. (nt) Duncan Grant Nov 9 #64

A Muslim Ban would be wrong, I agree Pototan Nov 9 #124

Yes. I know what you were saying. I understood fully. Solly Mack Nov 9 #125

This is dishonest. If you don't oppose a Muslim ban, you're complicit. Duncan Grant Nov 10 #139

If you didn't vote for Harris you're complicit Pototan Nov 10 #140

Pathetic excuses. Duncan Grant Nov 10 #145

I don't expect to get a majority of white voters Pototan Nov 10 #148

So many white people getting away with it. How trumpian. Duncan Grant Nov 10 #152

I don't know why you don't understand Pototan Nov 10 #155

Far tougher target. Pick off the low hanging fruit. TheKentuckian Nov 11 #175

I'm sorry. They knew what they were gettijg into LeftInTX Nov 10 #147

Revenge? Who wants revenge against whom? Duncan Grant Nov 10 #153

They are the only voting group that has a war in their LeftInTX Nov 10 #162

This message was self-deleted by its author Mariana Nov 12 #187

There is a lot of wrong and plenty more coming down the line. TheKentuckian Nov 10 #138

That's a bold move, Muslims -misanthroptimist Nov 9 #26

So done with people Johnny2X2X Nov 9 #27

What Trump inflicts on unions? Captain Zero Nov 10 #156

I'm on board Pototan Nov 10 #158

I don't like these kinds of posts. The fact is trump got a large percent of the white vote mucifer Nov 9 #28

I live right DownriverDem Nov 9 #34

I certainly have not given white folks a pass. TheKentuckian Nov 10 #137

With 76 Recs Pototan Nov 10 #161

Why should I trust a CAIR poll on this? They endorsed the Palestinian attacks of 10/7 mathematic Nov 9 #29

Voting to make a point vs. practicality no_hypocrisy Nov 9 #30

I have to watch paint dry. Can't do anything to help. jrthin Nov 9 #31

The Muslim ban DownriverDem Nov 9 #32

There's quite a variety of views here and therefore a lot to disagree with. Tetrachloride Nov 9 #35

Not me Beck23 Nov 9 #39

They will get what they voted for. Just like the Latino men. onecaliberal Nov 9 #36

Very different groups LeftInTX Nov 9 #43

They want low prices and vote for the party of the rich. onecaliberal Nov 9 #46

Machismo is a big thing in their cultures Dem4life1234 Nov 9 #49

Latnos are not here or are citizens because of. LeftInTX Nov 9 #51

It's Dems that fight for immigration Dem4life1234 Nov 9 #68

My husband's family came 100 years ago. So did many others . Also many don't support immigration. LeftInTX Nov 9 #99

Well they are stupid for not supporting immigration Dem4life1234 Nov 9 #103

Italians were the same way. No one beats up on them. LeftInTX Nov 9 #108

And when it comes to violent immigrant "gangs" Pototan Nov 9 #127

I'm not talking literally! LeftInTX Nov 9 #128

Oh, I am speaking literally Pototan Nov 9 #129

Yes. I know. I'm Armenian. LeftInTX Nov 9 #133

Well, we'll see what Trump does Pototan Nov 10 #134

US citizens aren't going anywhere. LeftInTX Nov 10 #135

The problem isn't LEGAL immigration Sundance1220 Nov 12 #193

Trump will give Netanyahu free rein and the fate of innocent Gazans will be worse surfered Nov 9 #37

Gaza will be flattened, whatever is left. onecaliberal Nov 9 #47

They won't all be killed soandso Nov 9 #111

He already has free rein soandso Nov 9 #109

You DO realize that it's not for no reason Sundance1220 Nov 12 #194

Trump will tell Netanyahu to finish 'the job' Beck23 Nov 9 #38

It wasn't exactly a secret that Trump and Netanyahu were best buds. ananda Nov 9 #40

I am so tired of Democrats having to toe a rigid line Norbert Nov 9 #41

Zero sympathy for what comes next. Island Blue Nov 9 #44

For these groups, yes. Everyone knew. onecaliberal Nov 9 #48

Dumb asses is all I can say. boston bean Nov 9 #52

+1, and thanx, my thoughts exactly. oasis Nov 9 #83

I wonder if the "Vote Uncommitted" movement contributed to our loss in WI and MI * Oopsie Daisy Nov 9 #53

It's a bit more than not being perfect soandso Nov 9 #113

Doesn't matter. The intent says all that needs to be said. TheKentuckian Nov 10 #170

On your own, good luck. usregimechange Nov 9 #54

Natural consequences Nasruddin Nov 9 #55

It's after the election, so markodochartaigh Nov 9 #56

I said the protests were being driven by Putin and his minions Arazi Nov 9 #65

I totally agree. markodochartaigh Nov 9 #94

Agreed. Several of us here have been saying this since October 2023. yardwork Nov 9 #110

I don't think most of the protestors could find Gaza on a map now. LisaM Nov 10 #159

Apparently they didn't understand a vote for Stein was a vote for Trump dlk Nov 9 #57

Sorry you are on your own, Tlaib supporters kansasobama Nov 9 #58

You just voted to let bibi make Gaza into a parking lot...good job! PortTack Nov 9 #59

It will take 20 years to get rid of all the rubble. AloeVera Nov 9 #89

They will.now see their assessment was grossly in error. TheKentuckian Nov 9 #105

You grossly missed my point. AloeVera Nov 9 #118

It already is soandso Nov 9 #115

Oh sweet summer child, that assessment is a drastic underestimation of possible outcomes. TheKentuckian Nov 10 #141

He doesn't seem to be interested in the hostages soandso Nov 10 #163

He would never do what I would to get them back or failing to TheKentuckian Nov 10 #164

What would you do? soandso Nov 10 #165

I'll let you rest better for now. TheKentuckian Nov 10 #171

Ha, I don't need any rest soandso Nov 10 #173

I would give them a week to release the hostages TheKentuckian Nov 11 #177

It's possible soandso Nov 11 #178

The plan is all about the release of the hostages. TheKentuckian Nov 12 #179

But that could be done either way soandso Nov 12 #180

Nope. You know what they want and that ain't happening TheKentuckian Nov 12 #182

What do they want? soandso Nov 12 #183

The destruction of Israel and the death of all Jews. TheKentuckian Nov 12 #198

Well, the feeling is mutual soandso Nov 12 #200

No negotiating with terrorists. Oblivion for hostage takers. TheKentuckian Nov 12 #211

Negotiating to get the hostages back soandso Nov 12 #212

I have been clear. TheKentuckian Nov 12 #216

Agreed. You have. soandso Nov 12 #219

What makes you think they care about Gaza ? JI7 Nov 10 #149

Stein will fix it for them now. Klarkashton Nov 9 #61

Fuck around and find out bottomofthehill Nov 9 #62

When Trump brings back the Muslim ban. The Third Doctor Nov 9 #63

The dotard didn't waste any time in 2017 IzzaNuDay Nov 9 #69

damn we spent years thinking the Green Party... Ysabel Nov 9 #66

Won't be a problem if there is ever another election. lees1975 Nov 9 #72

HiYa! Can we talk about white Christian people now? Duncan Grant Nov 9 #73

Bravo. AloeVera Nov 9 #92

Guess that worked out well Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Nov 9 #76

Well. They showed us, didn't they? Scrivener7 Nov 9 #79

But, but, "Genocide Joe"! NickB79 Nov 9 #81

i believe the people of gaza will suffer even more with the boost from that STUPID "protest" vote for stein orleans Nov 9 #82

People will have to live with their decisions ecstatic Nov 9 #91

"Well... lucadom Nov 9 #96

Self Defeating 🤢😈 Cha Nov 9 #100

The greens strike again. GoreWon2000 Nov 9 #104

Jared will turn Gaza into a resort and we're probably going to join Israel in a war with Iran. BannonsLiver Nov 9 #107

When they looking for allies, they can look elsewhere. Happy Hoosier Nov 9 #117

Always amusing how those on, how do I say this, OK, the w**e left, Abolishinist Nov 9 #120

Too many think EllieBC Nov 9 #121

Self Defeatists. Cha Nov 9 #126

I hope they start packing because they are on the list Historic NY Nov 9 #130

Let the deportation and bans begin. Can't wait until those Christian bibles get taught to Muslim families' kids. Freethinker65 Nov 9 #131

They won't see my black ass protesting for Gaza anymore. I'm out. Deuces! Wanderlust988 Nov 10 #150

Bibi will be free to destroy and fully annex Gaza LetMyPeopleVote Nov 10 #151

Maybe but they seem too insane to figure it out. TheKentuckian Nov 10 #172

Be careful what you wish for Raven123 Nov 10 #154

Not lifting a finger to type a protest on their behalf, if they are part of a mass deportation. Baitball Blogger Nov 10 #168

Trump Hotels Nixie Nov 12 #181

Muslims who votes for trump will love the new Secretary of State LetMyPeopleVote Nov 12 #184

The Muslims bdamomma Nov 12 #196

Reap the whirlwind, motherfuckers. notroot Nov 12 #199

I've always thought Jill Stein is payed to insert herself into elections so that votes can be shifted to her. We never rainy Nov 12 #201

Enjoy the paving of Gaza, protest voters. nt The Unmitigated Gall Nov 12 #202

i wonder how they felt about Dick Cheney's endorsement n/t PedroXimenez Nov 12 #203

They voted for a guy who wants to ban their travel Pototan Nov 12 #208

And now it will get worse for them Jilly_in_VA Nov 12 #204

Trump is no friend of gaza samsingh Nov 12 #205

I'm just sure . . . Scubamatt Nov 12 #209

Bibi is already gearing up to annex Gaza sdfernando Nov 12 #210

Well, I for one B.See Nov 12 #214

"Muslim Exit Polls"- Is that where we poll them on their way out of the country, Jack Valentino Nov 12 #218

Similar but different.. ReadItnWeep Nov 12 #220

Witnessing Karma LetMyPeopleVote Saturday #223